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[Dwailing]

UrgedDuke wrote...

it is possible that he just nodded off while using the datapad

I'll admit, that is probably what it was.  Still.... "Lots of speculation for everyone." 

[LeRavelle]

Dwailing wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

I just noticed that in Shep's 2nd dream sequence he didn't seem to be sleeping at all, he was looking at a datapad. It reminds me of Anakin's vision in Star Wars episode 3 when he sees Padme's death and afterwards is seen holding a datapad on a couch just like in Shepard's case

..... wow dude never thought of that. it does seem odd. Now that I remember I always asked. "why is there nothing on the datapad?"

Huh, weird.  Maybe this suggests that the second dream sequence was just a vision?

Or a blackout.

[Dwailing]

Falloutwarfare wrote...

@dwailing you sir just made my day as did you Leravelle

Happy to help.

[LeRavelle]

Dwailing wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

@dwailing you sir just made my day as did you Leravelle

Happy to help.

haha no prob, only because that sentence was drilled in to my consious because I've seen that cinematic so many times because I had to remake my shep a lot.

[Jadebaby]

Kyzee wrote...

I drool over the thought of battling Harbinger, too. 

And with that, I leave it for someone to come up with a motivational. 

Ask and you shall receive.

[UrgedDuke]

why did they lock the thread where the IT supporters signed

[Chief Commander]

Can anyone please tell me how I can create a poll? The FAQ section does not cover this.

[Chief Commander]

UrgedDuke wrote...

why did they lock the thread where the IT supporters signed

Apparently "petition" threads are not allowed. I will create another one with a poll though, so it stays within the allowed rules of the forums.

[Jadebaby]

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[Jadebaby]

Chief Commander wrote...

Can anyone please tell me how I can create a poll? The FAQ section does not cover this.

Click the Polls tab up the top in between Games and Blogs, then there should be "edit my polls" click that then click "create a poll".

Easy as 1, 2, 3.... I used to say a, b, c.....

[Chief Commander]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Can anyone please tell me how I can create a poll? The FAQ section does not cover this.

Click the Polls tab up the top in between Games and Blogs, then there should be "edit my polls" click that then click "create a poll".

Easy as 1, 2, 3.... I used to say a, b, c.....

I don´t have any "edit my polls" or "create a poll" tab.. Am I missing something? Do you need to be registered for months to do anything of value in this forum -.-? What a stupid system.

[Arian Dynas]

[quote]Vahilor wrote...

[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

[quote]Vahilor wrote...

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]Sire Styx wrote...

Hmm
https://twitter.com/...420195968847873
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A being of light? There's more?
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*grabs shotgun*  Looks like we're going ancient-evil-that-looks-like-a-kid hunting.

And now, something from the random banter section:
EDI: Your turn. Councilor Tevos.
Joker: Hot, but points off for attitude.
EDI: Sha'ira the Consort.
Joker: Uh, hot, I guess. Can we stop this? You're creeping me out.
EDI: Dalatrass Linron.
Joker: Eww![/quote]

The sad thing about it is.... cause of godlike Space Kid.... now Space Kid is the "hero" who allows Shpe to "rescue" the galaxy ...

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You know what would have been kind of awesome? If, instead of the god(damn)child, the Catalyst would have taken on the shape and voice of your current LI.

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Best would have been there would be no space kid at all... and the only option working for me with SPace Kid is IDT... all other options somhow leave me with bitterness and a to strong religious hint....

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My real problem with all of this? You guys are taking the kid at face value.

To me there ARE no beings of Light, they and the so called "Machine Devils" are one and the same.

The "Beings of Light" are the Reapers using their skill at indoctrination to play good cop bad cop, the Being of Light offers a way out, a godlike form to give people false hope, much like how they offer to sue for peace, when their only intention is to process the civilians and indoctrinate their leaders. The Reapers are canny, they close off every other possibility so they control how organics react, but the fact is, Shepard is the personification of Chaos, something they can't control, and will eventually destroy them.

Besides, does the phrase "superstitious awe" come to mind? What's more godly to the minds of most organics but a being formed of pure light?

To me, the Star Child is Harbinger, otherwise Harbinger, whom was built up to be a HUUUUGE villain in the 2nd game is entirely abset from the finale, if IT id true, then he is the personification of Harbinger as Harbinger tries to crush Shepard's will, steering him away form his chosen course with lies and falsehoods, if IT is NOT true, then he is merely Harbinger attempting a last ditch effort to warn Shepard away from the Destroy tube by lying through his teeth in a pitiful attempt at self-preservation.

[quote]DragonEffect1710 wrote...

People keep saying that since there's no gameplay that IT doesn't work. I've got an idea about how the cinematic DLC could fit into the IT if you'll read it...

Who's to say Shepard will ALWAYS be the "hero"? I believe he's still passed out on Earth, trying to fight the Indoctrination and someone else, like Anderson, goes up and activates the Citadel's arms. When all the Reapers are being blasted out of the sky by the Crucible or something someone finds Shepard; your LI or your best friend if you have no LI. Then it's all happy and all that. And you can impletment how choices matter, like saying that if you don't have enough war assets the Crucible gets destroyed by the Reapers before Anderosn can activate the Citadel's arms and Earth falls. Then, depending on your choices, Shepard can live happily ever after or may never be found on Earth or gives into Indoctrination.

What do you think? [/quote] 

Here we are again.... social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/1313#11127624

[quote]Dwailing wrote...

[quote]Voodzik wrote...

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I assert that sausage with peperoni and canadian bacon is the finest pizza to be found.

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I humbly disagree, sir. Garbage pizza. ALL the toppings. I see pizza as an ingenious method of eating the widest possible variety of foodstuffs in a single bite. People who buy plain cheese just confuse me.

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Hey!  I like plain cheese!  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

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Oh god no!, I started the age old argument! No two people on Earth can ever completely agree on pizza toppings!

[quote]Big G13 wrote...

[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

[quote]Vahilor wrote...

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]Sire Styx wrote...

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You know what would have been kind of awesome? If, instead of the god(damn)child, the Catalyst would have taken on the shape and voice of your current LI.

[/quote]You're still upset that you will never ever see your LI again aren't you. It's o.k. I'm here. We'll all get through this together. You are not alone.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie][/quote] [/quote]

Direct statement from Bioware, in the extended cut you WILL be able to re-unite with your squad, somehow. Personally Rifeno and I agree, seeing as it was what was in the strategy guide, it was the originally intended ending that Shepard would either have to choose between Destroy, in which he would survive, but galatic society would recover more slowly, the Reaper tech would be destroyed (synthetics OTHER than the Reapers would be untouched though) or Control, where Shep would sacrifice his physical body as well as his mind to control the Reapers, keeping them at bay, but allowing galactic civilization to recover alot faster.

[quote]Vahilor wrote...

[quote]Dwailing wrote...

[quote]Big G13 wrote...

[quote]Sammuthegreat wrote...

[quote]Vahilor wrote...

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Probably there is.. I don't know if they were all satisfied with what they did there.. and most irritating is.. that 99% of the game are really well written.. and the last 10 minutes are so bad.. and so non fitting.. like somone took the original team, fired it and took somone totaly else to make the ending... 

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One, calm down all of you. No use getting emotional over it, it didn't help me when it happened to me  and I can gaurntee it won't help you feel any better at all, if anything, you'll feel worse.

Two, considering this fact, then don't you think it's likely intentional then? It takes effort to write something so unlike your usual style, I know from experience there. It spits in the face of logic to assume a team or writers who wrote such good stuff consistently as a team would suddenly experience a sharp drop in quality in the 5 seminal moments of the game?(which despite the supposed posts made by Weekes, which he and everyone who KNOWS him has denied he made, making a bitter hacker, hey it's not like 4chan has a shortage of them, using his profile the most likely).

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 10 avril 2012 - 05:28 .

[Jadebaby]

Chief Commander wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Can anyone please tell me how I can create a poll? The FAQ section does not cover this.

Click the Polls tab up the top in between Games and Blogs, then there should be "edit my polls" click that then click "create a poll".

Easy as 1, 2, 3.... I used to say a, b, c.....

I don´t have any "edit my polls" or "create a poll" tab.. Am I missing something? Do you need to be registered for months to do anything of value in this forum -.-? What a stupid system.

I'd say the ends justifies the means but knowing their track-record with endings, it probably doesn't.

[schneeland]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

[...]

Somehow, the second one conjures images of Garrus and Shepard sitting in a bar, talking about old times like:

Shepard: "Remember Sovereign? That son of a **** was tough."

Garrus: "Yeah. Almost considered killing him myself when the fleet moved in."

Shepard: "Damn. Why Bioware? Why!?! ... "

Shepard gesticulates to have a new drink, then stares at it apatheticly.

Garrus: "Your drink? What's wrong with it?"

Shepard: "It's green garrus. It's ****ing green. Of all three stupid choices, the green one was the worst.... "

Garrus: "..."

[Dwailing]

Arian Dynas wrote...

 


I will prove that IT can work within the constraints of a cinematic. Watch.

Shepard Breath Scene, then, new custscene begins.

If you chose Control with low EMS or chose Destroy with any EMS, go to 1.
If you chose Control with high EMS, go to 2
If you Chose Synthesis, go to 3.

1 - Left For Dead

[Star Child appears before Shepard, looking down at him and shaking his head]

SC: Shepard, you disappoint me. It seems there is little point in devoting any further effort to you.

[SC changes into a hologram of Harbinger]

HARBINGER: RELEASING CONTROL.

[Hologram disappears, Harbinger leaving Shepard to die, moves either to cutscene 4 if your EMS was low enough that you only had one option or chose Control or 5 if it was over 2000 and you chose Destroy.]
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2 -  A Pawn in a Larger Game

[Star Child appears before Shepard, looking down at him. and grinning wickedly before disappearing]

[Shepard begins to crawl out from the rubble, attracting the attention of Garrus and Liara whom are running a search and rescue op to find Shepard.]

LIARA: Shepard!

[Shepard turns, looking none the worse for wear, much the same as we last saw him, only he seems to be standing taller and straighter now.]

SHEPARD: Liara, Garrus! What are you two doing down here?

GARRUS: Looking for you, you look rough. Are you holding up alright?

HARBINGER [whispering only to Shepard]: KILL THEM, THEY ARE A THREAT.

SHEPARD[Reaching down to pick up a pistol from the ground, it's the same Carnifex from his hallucination]: Yeah... I'm fine.

GARRUS: Good, we'll get an evac team in as soon as possible then.

SHEPARD: You do that.

LIARA: Shepard... are you alright?

SHEPARD: Yeah, fine, just a bit messed up, the fight took alot out of me.

GARRUS[turning his back to Shepard Liara standing beside him]: Well the shuttle should be coming in any moment now, then we'll get you back to HQ and brief you on the suitation.

SHEPARD [Leveling his pistol to the back of Garrus' head, bringing to mind imagery of Saren and Nihlius]: Sounds good.

[Cut to black, pistol shots, Liara screams and there's the sound of two bodies hitting the ground.]

ALLIANCE MARINE [on radio]: ...oing on? Repeat, we need a sitrep. What's going on down there?

SHEPARD [picking up the radio]: Situation under control soldier.

AM: Commander Shepard, it's good to hear you, what happened sir?

SHEPARD[pretending to hold back tears]: Reaper attack, it's dealt with but... they got two of my team, Garrus and Liara.

AM [audibly distressed]: I'm sorry to hear that sir. We'll see to it they get proper burials once we can secure the LZ.

SHEPARD: Thank you, soldier.

[Audio fades to sad music, zoom out to see shuttle landing, Shepard carrying Liara's body to it, a marine stepping out and talking to him/her. Cut to Reaper ground troops approaching the LZ rapidly, Shepard loads on with Liara's body, several of the marines climb out to hold off the enemy so Shepard can escape. Camera cuts to Shepard watching the squad getting wiped out, then he turns to the player, looks out the screen and smiles wickedly as his eyes flash yellow. Cue credits.]
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3 - Self Sacrifice

[Star Child appears before Shepard's body, covered in rubble, looks slightly... off. Star Child grins, eyes flash yellow and he disappears]

[Shepard crawls from the rubble, his synthetics EXTREMELY noticeable now, wires running across his skin, ect, in fact, he looks rather like the hybrids from the Synthesis ending]

[Cut to a sniper scope lining up on Shepard's head, cut and spin 180 to reveal Garrus is the one lining up the shot, he pulls his eye back from the scope in shock, his mandibles (or, whatever the hell you call those things on the sides of his cheeks) click in suprise. He throws his head foreward, looking into the scope again, lining up Shepard again, or so we think, but instead nailing a Husk that was about to throw itself at his back, Shepard turns to Garrus' post and looks suprised.]

GARRUS: Still needing me to get you out of trouble, eh Shepard?

SHEPARD[moaning in pain and clutching his temples]: G-Garrus...

GARRUS: What did they do to you Shepard?

SHEPARD: I d-don't know.... AUGH! G-GO! GET AWAY FROM ME!

[Shepard swings at Garrus, who doges the blow. Several other people climb up over a hill to see the scene before them, Liara, Vega, and several Alliance Marines backing them.]

LIARA: Garrus what's goin... Goddess...

[Shepard turns to face Liara, looking at her, his face contorted with pain.]

SHEPARD: Liara! Get out of here, get everyone out of here! They're trying to HAAAAAAAAAA!

[Shepard collapses with a scream, his body convulsing like electricity is being jolted through it.]

VEGA: Carumba... what's happening to him? What did those sons of ****es do to him?

GARRUS: Get back! He's indoctrinated. We saw the same thing with Saren.

[Shepard reaches out, clawing the ground with one hand, still trying to fight off Reaper influence one way or another, still trying to resist, but being slowly broken down, Garrus approaches with his pistol to finish the commander off, intending to end his suffering with a single bullet, a mercy kill.]

GARRUS[visibly upset]: I'm sorry commander... that it.. had to end this way.

[If your EMS was just enough to qualify for Synthesis, but only the minimum, then Garrus just shoots Shepard through the head, bang, cut to black and we see them leaving in the shuttles, sans crater and heroic death scene.]

[A large impact shakes the ground and several husks, ravagers, mauraders and cannibals climb up over the hill as everyone dives for cover. Shepard still claws the ground and sees an abandoned assault rifle lying near him.]

[The cannibals kill several of the marines, whom are spun by the impact of the bullets, the squad still desperately tries to fight off the enemy, Shepard suddenly stands up behind where Garrus, Vega and Liara are taking cover, clutching an assult rifle in his hands, standing tall now.]

GARRUS: Commander!

LIARA: Shepard!

SHEPARD[running into the enemy horde, firing the rifle the whole way]: Get out of here! I'll hold them off

LIARA: We're not leaving you commander!

SHEPARD [ducking as a grenade explodes near him]: Just go! I'm dead already!

VEGA: The hell you are Loco!

SHEPARD: Get out of here! That's an order!

[Shepard stands up and charges into the horde firing the whole way, bullets richocheting off what's left of his armor, some striking into his flesh, blood flies, shepard grabs a bandolier of grenades off the ground and pulls the pin off one, diving into  a mass of Brutes, Banshees, Marauders ect. There's a huge explosion, cut to a shuttle taking off, Vega and Liara watch from inside, Garrus just looks distraught, sad piano music plays. Then go to cutscene 7.]
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4 - Death of a Soldier 

[Shepard lies there in the rubble, moaning softly in pain, he hears shouts in the distance. "Shepard! Shepard!" but he can't identify the source. Sad piano music plays, a soft white light slowly fills the screen. fade back in to Liara, Garrus, Vega, EDI, perhaps even Javik finding Shepard's body, everyone but Javik is visibly upset, Javik merely kneels and touches Shepard's body. No dialogue. Camera pans up to see the sunrise, showing a badly damaged Crucible (to be explored more in a later sequel) in orbit, Reaper bodies slowly falling to Earth. Fade to black, go to cutscene 7]
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5 - Lost and Found

[Camera pans out from Shepard's body mostly covered in rubble and recognizable only from the dogtags sticking out and the charred armor.]

HACKETT [on radio]: ..pard, has anyone caught sight of Shepard? 

[squadmates looking for you, Garrus and and Liara] GARRUS: No sign, the approach got totaled after Harbinger's bombardment.

LIARA [whispered to herself]: Not again Shepard, please tell me, not again...

[Garrus turns and lays a hand on her shoulder, giving an encouraging nod. Go to cutscene 6 if you saw the "Shepard Alive" video, or go to cutscene 8 if you did not.]
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6 - Standing Triumphant

[Shepard manages to shift the rubble, just barely, Garrus and Liara turn to see Shepard pull just enough of himself from the rubble to weakly prop himself up. Liara turns and her face brightens, Garrus' eyebrows raise in shock, then he runs over to start helping you out, radioing to Hackett]

GARRUS: Alliance Command!, We have Shepard, repeat, we have Shepard!

HACKETT: Thank God. Garrus, we're sending a medical and extraction team, hold your ground until they get there. 

[the rest of your squad, any and all living members comment via radio, they're all running search and rescue teams of their own.]

VEGA[on radio]: Hey Loco, good to hear from ya, pendejo sons of ****es couldn't manage to kill you yet huh?

JAVIK[also on radio]: Commander, it is good to hear you are alive. It would be unfortunate to lose an ally now.

EDI [also on radio]: Commander Shepard, it is good to see you are alive. Jeff hasn't been at his best since you disappeared. He apologizes for crashing the Normandy earlier.

[Shepard makes a face similar to the one he made about EDI's joke concerning oxygen levels and her absorption in a task.]

EDI: That is a joke.

[A few shots come zipping by, fired by a cannibal, Garrus turns and pops the cannibal through the head, before taking cover, Liara helps prop shepard up against a chunk of rubble dispensing medi-gel. Then a conversation begins, Shepard may choose to investigate several options, including "What happened?" "Where's Harbinger?" "What happened to the Crucible?" and then you can end the conversation by commenting either that you are glad that they found you rather than some husk, or that you're pissed about the state of things.

Answers to each investigate go as follows;

"What happened?"

SHEPARD [Weakly]: What's the suituation?

GARRUS [taking cover from more Cannibal fire]: It's been two days since the seige started, Hammer team got wiped out, we assumed you were dead.

SHEPARD [sarcastically] : Well that's comforting.

[Garrus chuckles]

LIARA: After Hammer was destroyed, we nearly gave up, 

GARRUS [interrupting, still in cover, stands up to fire a few shots from his sniper rifle, blasts a Husk through the head]: Ha! [Satisfied smirk, nod.]  We did.

SHEPARD: What changed?

GARRUS: Well, yesterday, the Reapers started acting strange, their ground forces were acting uncoordinated and almost... feral. More so than usual I mean. It was almost like they were focusing on something, We figured that something was you.

SHEPARD [sudden moan of pain, clutches his temples]: Agh... mm... I think you might be right.

"Where's Harbinger?"

SHEPARD: So, what happened to Harbinger? Last I saw him was on the approach.

GARRUS: Harbinger's been a non issue the past two days. We're lucky, it gave us some time to recover.

LIARA: It's as though he's been distracted, focusing on something. Ignoring everything else.

GARRUS: We figured that something was you.

"What happened to the Crucible?"

SHEPARD: What about the Crucible? Last thing I can remember, it wasn't firing.

GARRUS [turns, and looks at Shepard, suprised.]: You heard wrong, The Crucible never even showed up, 

SHEPARD [look of confusion]: What?

LIARA: The Crucible arrived this morning, it was still in dry dock the whole time.

[Camera pans to the Crucible device, hanging in high orbit above the planet, a large chunk visibly damaged.]

GARRUS:They took one look at the thing and half the fleet just left. Withdrew. Like they knew something would happen. One of them, Harbinger I think, got a parting shot as they were pulling out through the Charon Relay, huge damage to the thing. They're working on repairs now.

SHEPARD: Damn it!

GARRUS [stands, sights a target and nails a Marauder though the eye]: We're holding our own though, the lull for the past two days has been giving us time to recover. We still have a chance.

SHEPARD: "You have hope, more than you know"

LIARA [A look of concern for Shepard]: What? 

SHEPARD: Nothing.

"I'm glad you found me." [PARAGON]

SHEPARD: I'm glad it's you two who found me, getting turned into a husk wasn't what I was really planning for my retirement.

[Garrus chuckles, Liara smiles]

"Sons of ****es." [RENEGADE]

SHEPARD: Damn it, don't they ever give up?

GARRUS: Would you?

SHEPARD [watches an Alliance squad being assaulted by a number of Husks in the distance.]: No.

[Both Paragon and Renegade options lead to the same scene, a horde of Reaper ground forces start to come up the hill, Garrus blasts the heads off a few as they approach, Shepard tries to stand up, Liara forces him/her to sit down, turns and blasts the Reapers with a Singularity. After a moment or two of watching the combat, a shuttle, flanked by two gunships comes in close, the gunships blasting away at the encroaching ground forces before the shuttle lands, two EMTs climb out and ask where Shepard is, Liara points out his location and they load him into the shuttle, one distributing more medi-gel as he's loaded on, Garrus and Liara climbing in after.

EMT: Sir, if we try to take off now we'll be wide open, we need something to draw their fire. 

[Go to cutscene 9 if the player saw the breath scene and managed to sit up enough to get their attention, or go to cutscene 8 if they did not.]
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7 - Buried With Honors

[If Shepard died at any point here, then the scene cuts to here, Shepard's memorial service Staning in the ruins of London, in front of the bombed out Big Ben, rubble mostly cleared away for the ceremony. Admiral Hackett, still looking worse for wear, scar still slashing across his face, it has yet to heal, standing in front of a podium, Anderson to his left, Vega, Kaiden (if he's alive) Cortez (if he's alive) Ashley (If she's alive) those two soldiers guarding the war room, and Traynor (if she's alive) standing to his right, a casket with the N7 iconography in front of him. Everyone is visibly upset.]

[Sad piano music plays, no dialogue, Hackett says something, Vega, Vermire Survivor, Chakwas, everyone takes a turn at the podium, nothing is heard but the music, Liara is sitting in the crowd, crying, Garrus and Tali (if she lived) next to her, Javik is nowhere to be found, his seat, empty, the Prothean has disappeared. Grunt (if he survived) roars into the distance, Wrex and a horde of Krogan behind them. Joker just sits, staring distraught at the casket, before turning and sobbing into EDI's shoulder, his humor having abandoned him. EDI herself gently holds him, rubbing his back, careful not to cause any damage.The Geth (if they weren't wiped out of course), appear, all seeming out of place. The Quarians wail and tear at their suits, The Rachni queen watches through the eyes of the Asari from the second game, the Turian military, led by Primarch Victus give a 21 gun salute as Vega, VS, and all the servicemen from the Normandy load the casket into the grave. Camera tilts down to look into the grave, dirt is slowly shoveled on, covering the N7 symbol as the screen slowly fades to black. Go to cutscene 10.]
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8 - Snatched From the Jaws of Victory

[This cutscene plays out identically to 6 with a few minor differences, Shepard does not manage to shift the rubble, only to make noise, forcing Liara and Garrus to dig him out.
They prop him up, allowing the same conversation as before . When the shuttles arrive, the cutscene below takes place]

[Reaper forces slowly make their way up the hill, bullets richoceting off the armor of the shuttles, Garrus and Liara climb off the shuttle to buy them time, several Alliance Marines joining them, a cutscene follows, 
Garrus pops off a few shots, killing some Husks, Liara warps a Banshee's barrier, causing her to flinch.]

SHEPARD: Garrus, what the hell are you doing?

GARRUS[banging his fist against the side of the door, mimicking the soldier doing the same to a shuttle at the beginning of the game.]: Buying you time commander.

SHEPARD: Get back on here! That's an order!

GARRUS: Sorry Shepard, going to have to refuse that order. We're getting you out of here alive, one way or another.

[Shepard tries to gather the strength to tell them not to throw their lives away, but we only get to watch helplessly as Garrus' position is overrun by Husks, Liara is killed by a blast from a Ravager, and one of the two gunships escorting you gets shot down. Go to cutscene 9.]
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9 - A Hero's Welcome

[If you did NOT see cutscene 8, a Reaper collumn starts making their way in, but a number of ships from the fleet strafe them and the shuttle takes off with Shepard, Liara and Garrus on board.]

[Shepard is taken to an Alliance Field hospital, Anderson is there to greet them off the shuttle. If Liara and Garrus died, then he offers his condolences, especially if Liara was a LI, if not then the scene plays out like this;]

[Shuttle and Gunship/s touch down at a field hospital. Anderson walks up the the landing pad as Shepard is rushed out on a gurney. He motions for the EMTs to stop for a moment]

ANDERSON: You look good son.

SHEPARD [smiles weakly]: Liar.

ANDERSON [smiles back.]: Sometimes a little self-delusion is good for you. It's damn good to see you alive.

SHEPARD: You too sir, you helped alot.

ANDERSON [watches Shepard get hauled away by the EMTs]: I did?

[Garrus and Liara come up and greet Anderson as you're hauled away, no dialogue as you watch, an EMT looks down at you, you look through Shepard's eyes and watch as a breath mask is fitted over your mouth and nose, the EMT commenting about how this should help you sleep comfortably. You begin to black out.]

[Shepard begins to wake up, your vision swimming into focus, pan out to Shepard lying clean and bandaged in bed, it looks like Huerta Memorial. s/he's surrounded by flowers, gifts, a few "Get well Shepard" cards and you can see several of your squad talking to the doctors on the other side of the glass, you can't move at this point, but you can look around the room and read the cards/ look at the flowers, Shepard comments about each, some items appear based off of whom you've helped throughout the game, last two games, ect. Things like packages of display replicas of your N7 armor from Conrad Verner if he's alive, with his usual hero worship notes, a joke book from EDI and Joker, boxes of chocolates and flowers from Kaiden, a book of Tennyson poems from Ash, model shuttle from Cortez, a Haiku from Kasumi, stuffed Cannibal head from Grunt, a copy of Fornax, along with a note from Aria, things of that nature. After you've interacted with everything you can , your LI notices Shepard's awake, in this case, let's assume Ash.]

ASHLEY[pushes the doctor aside and opens the door, looks over, and smiles.]: Hey Skipper.

SHEPARD: Ash! 

ASHLEY [smiles]: It's good to see you awake. [sits down on a bench next to your bed.]

SHEPARD [the realization of where he is setting in]: What's going on? Didn't something happen to the Citadel? Where's the Reapers?

ASHLEY: Woah, slow down Commander. It's ok, the front is lighyears away. For now.

SHEPARD: For now?

ASHLEY [sighs, not wanting to talk about the subject when you've just woken up from your coma.]: We've pushed the Reapers off of Earth. But we haven't won the war yet. But we have a chance now. Harbinger is still out there, but now we've got time to rebuild. And at least we've got you around to help.

SHEPARD [lies back, mulling it over.]: I'm just... so tired...

ASHLEY [smiles, leans over, kisses Shepard and gently pushes him back into his pillows]: "Rest now, brave soldier."

SHEPARD [smiles]: The soldier in question is dying in that poem you know.

ASHLEY [smiles]: You ass, it's the thought that counts.

[Fade to black. Go to cutscene 10]
______________________________________________________________________

10 - Pre-Credits

[Text crawl, changes based off of descisions, lets assume you saved the Krogan, made peace between Geth and Quarians]

In the year 2187 AD, soldiers of the Earth Systems Alliance fought a desperate war against an overwhelming enemy. Earth was left to burn as these machines, called Reapers by the galaxy at large spread like a cancer across the Milky Way. One soldier faced them. Brokering peace between forces considered unreconcileable,he forged a navy unlike any seen before and returned to take back his home. The war was not without it's sacrifices and his story has ended. Though the tide may have turned, with the enemy either dead or in retreat, fleeing back into Dark Space to lick their wounds, they remain implacable, patient and not without resources.

The war is not over.

[Stars appear as text fades, camera pans 180 degrees to face Harbinger, who lets out a metallic scream  as his eyes flash.] 

[If Shepard lived, then he says the following:]

HARBINGER: SHEPARD. YOU HAVE MERELY DELAYED THE INEVITABLE. WE SHALL RETURN, AND YOU SHALL NOT STOP US. YOUR CONTINUED EXISTENCE IS INMAETERIAL, YOU ARE NOT SUITED FOR ASCENSION.WE WILL FIND ANOTHER.

[If Shepard died, then Harbinger says this line instead:]

HARBINGER: WE HAVE BEEN STOPPED FOR NOW. YOU HAVE MERELY DELAYED THE INEVITABLE. WE SHALL RETURN, AND YOU SHALL BE DESTROYED. WE WILL FIND ANOTHER.

[ Harbinger leads the remainder of the Reaper Fleet into dark space to lick their wounds. Cue credits]
_____________________________________________________________________

11 - Post Credits

[The Child and the Stargazer appear again, still standing as they were before.]

CHILD: That was a good story.

STARGAZER: I'm glad you liked it. I'm very fond of it too.

CHILD: So... what happened after?

STARGAZER [laugh]: That's another story my sweet, and one not related to The Shepard.

CHILD: Well.. what happened to him? And his friends?

STARGAZER: Well...

[cut to text crawl ala Throne of Bhaal, blue background, ME1 theme playing. Text crawl next to each character's picture, including all squad mates, Wrex, Aria, Joker/EDI, Grissom Academy, Earth, Cerberus, TIM ect.]

MESSAGE FROM EA:

Thank you for enjoying Mass Effect 3. While Shepard's journey may be over, there are far more many adventures to be found in the Milky Way!

Adventures you can take part in, but, until then, that is, as they say, another story.

There, a serviceable ending, incorporating IT, and entirely in cutscenes. Point made. 

Voila, heavily edited from it's earlier draft, but here is my proof of concept, the ending CAN be made with only cutscenes.

Reposting for sheer awesomeness.

[Rksmithers]

i found this a while ago, not sure why i didnt post this sooner...




Alright. I’ve been toying with the idea of the Indoctrination theory for the ending of Mass Effect 3 that has been floating around the internet. And I have discussed many points with my housemate, who has also studied literature extensively. She knows how invested I am in the story, and has given me a seed of hope that has blossomed into a razor-sharp flower of abject disbelief. She has also been researching this purely to ease my troubled mind, because living with me when I am in the throes of anguish or the grips of rage is pure hell.
And I can safely say that this is either the most dick move that Bioware could have pulled, or pure. ****ing. Genius.
So, yes. I have been won over to the indoctrination theory, and I’ll share with you some of the reasons why.
A few things of note…


First are several hints dropped through the game that indicate that something is not quite right. Several people have mentioned them, and I believe them. Here are the things from the end game that I noticed from the ending scene on a second playthrough, combined with some of the things I have heard.
Why is the means to end the game (destroy, control, synthesis) built into the Citadel, a device that was created by the Reapers to trap the organic civilisations in each cycle?
If you’re standing at the point where the Citadel and the Crucible meet, why is Earth above your head, looming like a brilliant, cosmic reminder of what’s at stake, when Earth is really beneath you? The Citadel is pointed away from Earth.
Why does the ‘creator’ of the Reapers simply allow you to choose the fate of their ‘solution’, which also defies all logic, when this is a creature of pure logic?



How does Hackett know that you’re on the Citadel? As far as everyone knows, you are dead, slain by Harbinger.


How did Anderson get to the room before you, when there was only one visible entrance, and he was not ahead of you? He even admits to getting to the Citadel after you. Moreover, how did he know you were in the Citadel?


How did the ‘creator’ know to appear as the child? Even if you’d told someone about the boy, you never told them what he looked like. How old he was. What he was wearing. How he sounded.
These may seem like design oversights, but I very sincerely doubt it. It’s a lot to get wrong in a final scene, especially for what is arguably one of the most notable and reputable game series in history.
How about this?
As quoted from the ‘indoctrination’ codex in Mass Effect 1,
“Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes they have feelings of being watched ‘watched’ and hallucinations of ‘ghostly’ presences. Ultimately the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim’s body to amplify its signals, manifesting as ‘alien’ voices in the mind.”
The first thing this brings to mind is the obligatory dream sequence we are forced to experience, without any chance to skip or bypass. During this time, we chase the spectral image of the boy we watched die on Earth, fleeing from some unknown terror. When we finally reach the boy, the world is shattered by the roar of Reapers - perhaps a memory of a traumatized Shepard, or perhaps a sound of frustration that the indoctrination process is not complete - and the child burns. The second and third sequence are accompanied by shadowy figures, and the whispers of the fallen, the people we have lost. When we finally catch up to the boy in the third sequence, the boy is embraced by Commander Shepard, and both burn. But neither scream. Neither struggle. Neither are afraid. Both just stare at Commander Shepard. And before anyone objects, a face’s expression isn’t just what it is in a video game. It is a conscious decision of what it is not. If you embrace the child, you burn.
Also, there is a moment where James Vega wonders, when Commander Shepard is standing near him, where a buzzing sound is coming from…


Endgame wtfs
How about the very final decisions you have to make? We have been trained to observe the ‘blue’ option as being paragon, good and virtuous, whereas red is ruthless and practical. Whilst this might not seem like a big deal, do you wonder why each side is coloured the way it is? Why is the Illusive Man’s option blue, when we always rejected his claims, and Anderson, who we have always supported, is suddenly red when he represents destroy?
Why does Shepard simply accept the fact that ‘the Illusive Man was right’? And why does he or she believe that they can control the Reapers when the Illusive Man couldn’t?
And why does the god child make sure to stress that in destroying the Reapers, Shepard destroys all technology upon which the galaxy relies, all synthetics, including the geth, and his or herself, too. And that Shepard does not ‘need hope’, but should simply accept the solutions that the creator presents.
And, I beg of you, go back and replay that final scene we all hate. With the choice we must make. Walk right to the middle of the walkway between the three choices and, several times, begin to walk in each direction.
Listen to the music change.
The ‘control’ option is sinister, with a quiet humming dissidence. So is the synthesis. And the ‘destroy’ option rings brightly, a pleasant sound of uplifting hope and then fades away. It’s barely noticeable, broken by the jarring drumming sound, and it is only right at the start. But it’s there.
And that, my friends, is not by accident.
What about the synthesis option, you ask?
I have one word.
Saren.


Allow me to reiterate something Saren says during his speech on Virmire.
“The Reapers are too powerful. The only hope of survival is to join with them. I am forming an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines.”
As we all know, Saren was indoctrinated. He was completely under the thrall of Sovereign. But the important part was he had no idea. He believed that what he was doing really was the only way to save the organics of the galaxy. He was truly trying to save everyone, and do his duty as a Spectre, to fulfil his vows. But because of his indoctrination, Sovereign steered him down a different path.
With the geth as his allies.
The geth, who are likely the main reason that people don’t chose the ‘destroy’ option.



The geth
The wrench in the cogs. The geth have defied what everyone has thought of synthetics; they never attack the quarians. They never instigate wars. They are your allies. Legion was a friend, in fact, and it scoured the galaxy searching for you. It gave its life to give the geth sentience, making the sentience of the race all the more important due to your loss.
By the way, it still never tells you why it has N7 armour adhered to its body. Nor why it was searching for you. Not really.
The geth are a sympathetic race. It is hard to hate them. You can destroy them, but they are specifically designed – by Bioware – to be a figure of sympathy and understanding. They just want to find their own way. Be their own people. Victims.
And the Catalyst says, quite pointedly, that choosing the destroy option will kill the geth.
And Shepard.




So that makes me wonder. In the ‘survival’ outcome of choosing ‘destroy’… why does Shepard take a breath?
Speaking of that breath
A lot of people have already mentioned this, but I’ll say it for the sake of this; examine the rubble around Shepard during that breath. It is rock. Concrete. Stone. And I don’t know about you, but I didn’t see a single slab on the Citadel. It is all metal. Shining metal.
So where is it that you are taking your breath?
Perhaps London?
Perhaps you never left?
Why indoctrinate Shepard and not simply kill him/her?
After all, it failed for Saren, right?


But Saren’s mistake was standing against the Council races, and creating an enemy of himself. People fought him, resisted him. Eventually, Shepard defeated him.
So perhaps the Reapers tried a new tact. Miranda says it herself. Shepard’s an icon. People will fall in behind the Commander and follow him or her to death. Which they did in the closing of ME3, flying their vast fleets into the mouth of hell to fight and get Earth back.
In doing so, Shepard did the one thing Saren failed to do; deliver the galaxy right to the Reapers. By being indoctrinated, Shepard has led everyone to their doom.
In conclusion
I think I raged about the fact that Bioware gave us a crappy ending without actually thinking about why Bioware gave us a crappy ending. People are saying that Bioware has a right to end their franchise as they choose. Which is true. But whywould Bioware choose to end it this way? Why would they allow billions of dollars, years of development, and a million plus fans go down the drain for an ending like this?
The bottom line is, they wouldn’t.
How many trailers were released to make us want to destroy the Reapers? How many times did you sit back and think ‘6th/8th/9th of March, I’m going to killthem’? It was always Shepard’s doctrine; we will find a way. We will destroy you.


Never was an option to control accepted. You rejected that from the moment the Illusive Man mentioned it. Never was the option of synthesis accepted. You rejected that in Mass Effect 1 with Saren. So why, at the 11th hour. No. The 12thhour, would Bioware give us these options? And why do we have to choose one? Why doesn’t Bioware let us argue with the deus ex machina? It’s not a matter of forgetting to record the lines for a sloppy ending. This was a deliberate decision made by people who have created sensational games. Do you really think this is how they would end it?
Shepard can’t be indoctrinated.
Bull****. Indoctrination can happen to anyone. From the Illusive Man, to Saren, to Udina. And Shepard is partially cybernetic due to being brought back from the dead. Hell. He or she doubts his or her own existence in the Cerberus base, wondering if they are, in fact, a very smart VI that thinks they are Commander Shepard. Even then they are worried about their own existence.


And again, let me remind you of Saren, who allowed Sovereign to implant him, ‘improve him’, and through those implants was controlled and ultimately dominated, mind and body, even after he was dead. And Shepard has a few snazzy implants and cybernetics, too. Which Chakwas very pointedly mentions during the opening couple of hours of the game.
Indoctrination isn’t purely about turning people into husks. It’s not about controlling their minds. It’s about steering them. Directing them. Pointing them toward a conclusion that they appear to want, that appears to be their only option, even though it plays right into the Reaper’s hands… tentacles… matter-deconstruction laser eyes. Whatever.
Sound familiar?
The Reapers wouldn’t brainwash Shepard into simply giving up. No one would fall in behind. But if they push him or her, if they make them think of the Reapers being too powerful, and that there are ‘acceptable’ costs to destroying creatures as vast and almighty as the Reapers, and cost was Shepard’s life… wouldn’t you choose that?

Wait. You did.


And finally, why would the Illusive Man not put a chip in your head if he knew you would turn against him? If he was indoctrinated the whole time? Why would the Reapers not want this to happen?
Because Shepard has to submit. Shepard had to stop fighting. And for people to believe that Shepard was not indoctrinated, Shepard had to behave like Shepard.
What blew my mind…
The point of the ending of Mass Effect 3 isn’t to show that Shepard has been indoctrinated, at least, that’s no longer how I see it. And it isn’t some quasai-intellectual, pseudo-philosophical moment where we are prompted to contemplate the future of the galaxy, and make up our own ending. Bioware does not do that. We were literally meant to sit back, stare at the screen, and go ‘why would Bioware do this?’ Not ‘Bioware a ****ing ****s who deserve to burn’, but ‘why would a company so renowned for loving its fans, and who make such wonderful stories, do this to us?’ We’re meant to wonder the reason why we were deliberately handed this ending.
You see, what we forget as we play through is that the only perspective we have is Commander Shepard’s. Some of us may not think of it that way, but that is the case. We only see what he or she sees, and we only perceive as he or she perceives. And Shepard would only know something was wrong with his or her own mind if we saw it.
What is the point of having an indoctrinated character if the person directing themknows they are indoctrinated? Shepard isn’t the only person that has been indoctrinated. We have. We didn’t see the subtle hints. Shepard didn’t notice the signs, and so we didn’t notice them. We were too caught up in saving Earth, just like Shepard. If Shepard had said, “Something’s wrong”, we would have noticed. We might have guessed. We would have gone straight for the ‘right’ option, regardless of what Bioware may have intended for the end. But because we were left with the idea that the control and synthesis options were the best options, we blindly moved towards them. Directed Shepard toward them.
And the Reapers win.


We, the players, were indoctrinated right alongside Shepard. And by sitting here and demanding that we have a different ending, we acknowledging that something is wrong. Something is broken. Something is not right. But instead of thinking that Bioware has
done this deliberately to us, we swung immediately into rage and hate and slammed them for the decision.
We are raging that Bioware betrayed our trust.
But we didn’t trust them.
I, myself, am guilty of this. And now that I sit back and think about it, about the games, about Bioware, all I can say is if that this is right, if this is what Bioware intended… If the true ending is yet to come…

[Jadebaby]

schneeland wrote...

Somehow, the second one conjures images of Garrus and Shepard sitting in a bar, talking about old times like:

Shepard: "Remember Sovereign? That son of a **** was tough."

Garrus: "Yeah. Almost considered killing him myself when the fleet moved in."

Shepard: "Damn. Why Bioware? Why!?! ... "

Shepard gesticulates to have a new drink, then stares at it apatheticly.

Garrus: "Your drink? What's wrong with it?"

Shepard: "It's green garrus. It's ****ing green. Of all three stupid choices, the green one was the worst.... "

Garrus: "..."

Shepard: "I'm traumitized Garrus... I got bested by the ghost of a kid... And not only was he a young kid but he was a young ghost as well.... He'd only been dead a couple of weeks."

Garrus: "Shepard, don't think about things like that... You didn't pick Green, and you're alive..."

Shepard: " Yea I know.... But I shouldn't have picked blue... It's really hard to drink with these tenticles.....
Hey, maybe I'll get Tali to build me an emergency induction port...."

Garrus: "I don't think that's such a good idea Shepard..."

Shepard: "Why not?"

Garrus: "Tali hates seafood."

[Arian Dynas]

Rksmithers wrote...
*snip*

Bravo.

Complete agreement.

[Spartas Husky]

Dwailing wrote...
-big azz snip----

Voila, heavily edited from it's earlier draft, but here is my proof of concept, the ending CAN be made with only cutscenes.

I'm sorry to say... I like the beginning. But in my opiniong you drove right into EA's camp with the clifhanger. Oh.... how lowly the community has fallen.

In order to get this game the way it is, it has to end now and prevent EA from capitalizing on future titles. Aside from MMo's I think.


I loved the beginning. But I completely disagree near the ending. and the ending itself.



3 things are needed for successful writting.
Every major piece of lore that gathers huge attention was based on it.
1: Stick to your theme/genre
2:  Focus on Character development and involvement with them through your character
3: Narrative Cohesion. A small plothole isn't big, is a hundred of them that obscure the ending.

Your beginning story fufilled MANY of the plotholes missed. But at the end you just caved in to your desire to have the series continue, and then as many plotholes as you fixed, doing a splendid job and keeping narrative cohesion, and genre... you opended even more gaping holes in the story. Extending the pure hold 98% of the game a little further to end up with still just as many question isn't exactly a better ending.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 10 avril 2012 - 05:30 .

[Arian Dynas]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
-big azz snip----

Voila, heavily edited from it's earlier draft, but here is my proof of concept, the ending CAN be made with only cutscenes.

I'm sorry to say... I like the beginning. But in my opiniong you drove right into EA's camp with the clifhanger. Oh.... how lowly the community has fallen.

In order to get this game the way it is, it has to end now and prevent EA from capitalizing on future titles. Aside from MMo's I think.


I loved the beginning. But I completely disagree near the ending. and the ending itself.

They're going to make more, that's the plan already anyway, why not give them something interesting to do it with?

[balance5050]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rksmithers wrote...
*snip*

Bravo.

Complete agreement.

Indeed, that was good.

[LeRavelle]

Why has this thread become fanfic.net?

[Spartas Husky]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
-big azz snip----

Voila, heavily edited from it's earlier draft, but here is my proof of concept, the ending CAN be made with only cutscenes.

I'm sorry to say... I like the beginning. But in my opiniong you drove right into EA's camp with the clifhanger. Oh.... how lowly the community has fallen.

In order to get this game the way it is, it has to end now and prevent EA from capitalizing on future titles. Aside from MMo's I think.


I loved the beginning. But I completely disagree near the ending. and the ending itself.

They're going to make more, that's the plan already anyway, why not give them something interesting to do it with?

Anyways?.

I'm... apalled by what you've implied by thats your opinion, I dont share it. Things have to end, and is better to end them when they are still at their peak, or near it. Drawing something out for personal satisfaction is a deservice to the series and its fans.

If they plan to do it, is because someone will keep buying a drawn out lore. Are you willing to buy it because you can't let go, or because you honestly believe EA will allow Bioware to keep making good lores?.

Remember one of EA's major policies which they have been VERY successful at, is the acquisition of great ideas gathering an audience and stretching that idea as far as they can. The audience will still buy it regardless of its length.

[Dwailing]

LeRavelle wrote...

Why has this thread become fanfic.net?

Uh, we really don't have anything else to do right now, to be honest.