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[Gulkin]

The reason for this: some higher-ups at bioware felt at the last moment that the Deus Ex ending was cool. They wanted an ending like that. Unlike Valve Time and Blizzard's D3, EA is very strict on their deadlines. So the writers had to make it happen, and under a tight deadline they and the production team couldn't get it out fast enough.  So we ended up with the mash-up of Normandy getting knocked out of FTL with no apparant reason.

TL;DR version: Last minute script changes, production leadtimes and a tight deadline made the writing for the ending sloppy as they tried to tie up as many loose ends as possible.

Actually I'm suprise EA accepted that, if it's the real ending. IMO the ending we have right now is a huge marketing error. Like a lot of ppl said, EA like to make a lot of money from their best franchise. Finishing the game like this kill the DLC market. Who would want to buy them now? Not me and many others when I read the forum. The game have nearly no replay value and you need that if you want to sell some DLC.  

That ending basically kill the Mass Effect universe. That doesn't make any sens to me, that's why I believe in the hallucination theory and the fact that there is more plot holes in the last 5 minutes than entire trilogy. 

Sorry for my english

Modifié par Gulkin, 12 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[HashSlingnSlasha]

Sierra163 wrote...

HashSlingnSlasha wrote...

Sierra163 wrote...

noobcannon wrote...



at :07 - :09 doesn't that look like a car? or am i really reaching now?

That's what I'm thinking. The only thing that bugs be about it is that it seems too clean and undamaged.

I think that's Shepard's leg...

Before that, in the background (migh need to turn your contrast up) there's something that looks like the front end of a car. It has a metalic gloss to it.

There's definately a gloss to it, but the the camera pans over without really zooming out makes me think its shepard's leg.  The rubble in the foreground just blocks the view of the whole leg.

that being said, this discussion is rather pointless overall, and  I am still 100% behind the idea that Shep is still in London.

[XCMichael]

And that the last scene occurs in outer space, and Shepard has no helmet/breather on. This is either very sloppy handling of details, or a hint at a more surreal nature of the "ending" (hallucination?)

[xDarkspace]

XCMichael wrote...

And that the last scene occurs in outer space, and Shepard has no helmet/breather on. This is either very sloppy handling of details, or a hint at a more surreal nature of the "ending" (hallucination?)

thats what i said before but nobody listened

Modifié par xDarkspace, 12 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[MissMaster_2]

I leave this thread for two hours and it grows like 15 pages.

[Little Lummo]

XCMichael wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Sierra163 wrote...

HashSlingnSlasha wrote...

Sierra163 wrote...

noobcannon wrote...



at :07 - :09 doesn't that look like a car? or am i really reaching now?

That's what I'm thinking. The only thing that bugs be about it is that it seems too clean and undamaged.

I think that's Shepard's leg...

Before that, in the background (migh need to turn your contrast up) there's something that looks like the front end of a car. It has a metalic gloss to it.

Yeah, I saw that as well and found it odd. Regardless, there's no movement in the scene, so anything is conjecture at this point. The only thing we can go by is the fact that there's concrete rubble around you which most likely means London.

Is there that much concrete on the citadel?

Just watching that vid, and i'm thinking, does that thing share any similarities to the bottom of the three pillars surrounding the beam at the bottom?

[GBGriffin]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

I leave this thread for two hours and it grows like 15 pages.

Same! 

I leave and play more of ME2, but I keep coming back to it because, ever since I started I starting posting here the week before launch and living in the spoilers section, this is honestly the first thread that's given me hope for the game and the series after I lost it so completely.

I think others must be feeling this way too, or at least excited about the possibility to keep posting in it.

[Lambchopz]

XCMichael wrote...

And that the last scene occurs in outer space, and Shepard has no helmet/breather on. This is either very sloppy handling of details, or a hint at a more surreal nature of the "ending" (hallucination?)

That is the kind of thing that makes some people absolutely convinced it's a hallucination or whatever, myself somewhat included.

If Shepard were just stunned or injured, she would still need to worry about these types of things. So yeah, either incredible disregard for attention to detail, or something more surreal is going on here.

Either way, that entire sequence from beginning to end feels absolutely surreal and disconnected no matter what the justification is. My hope is that was intentional and means something besides Shepard just being disoriented, which would be pretty dumb given the obvious problems that come with walking around in the middle of space with no breather, among other things.

[CrasVox]

the whole ending has a lot of the first two games in it. The rush to the conduit (ME), get up to the citidel, which more resembels the Collector Base, with bodies there to make a Human reaper, the electrical shield system thing that you see on the Shadow Broker's base, the more I see that ending, from the moment when Shep is shot by the laser, and the more removed from my initial shock and horror when I first played it, the more odd the whole thing seems. Not just out of place, but almost over stated, pack and heavy with the symbology.

Either Shepard is dreaming, or he is dead. Again.

[Lugaidster]

I can almost feel the taste of victory! I already imagine the press release of an extension/DLC/whatever!

Then again, I can almost feel the taste of desperation as well .

[Auresta]

xDarkspace wrote...

XCMichael wrote...

And that the last scene occurs in outer space, and Shepard has no helmet/breather on. This is either very sloppy handling of details, or a hint at a more surreal nature of the "ending" (hallucination?)

thats what i said before but nobody listened

sorry, the pages grow quickly. Some people never caught what I said either so ;(

[XCMichael]

Or EA might be totally laughing there ass off right now, and thinking: "These jackasses are totally trying to make sense of something we just pulled out of our asses!? I am just going to grab some popcorn and watch these losers "hallucinate"... *looks at the guy beside him* "sorry, no offense".

Just saying...

[carilynn46]

(based of my final play through after she wakes up)

Shepard gasps for air as every thing around her has grown quiet, pain fills her body as she tries to move but the rubble is just to much for her to move. In the distance she could hear some one calling out for her....

"Shepard?!"

The voice was familar but it was also weak, again she tries to move but she can;t get out of this mess alone. Using all she could she called out to him...

"Kaidan?!"

Again it grew quite as she could hear another voice but it was hard to make out. didn't they hear her?

"KAIDAN?!"

he heard fast foot steps coming towards her,

'Sheparad, were here come on james lets get this stuff off her'

they begin to remove the rubble off of shepard, in agony shepard reaches out to them...

kaidan smiles at her runing a hand down her face.

'you look like hell..."

"look whose talking"

shepard sits up and looks around

'wheres anderson?'

' he made it to the conduit...."

then maybe have shepard go after him telling her comrades to help any one they can and take them back to safety, your LI will try to convince you other wise but you go any way. Then once up there you have the interaction with TIM ( maybe even choicing a side) if you choice anderson, then you have that conversation where anderson talks about you being a good mom ect, and since he thinks shepard has more reason to live or he thinks she should continue on he volunters to stay and deal wiith the reaper weapon sending shepard back to earth to get medical attention ect and Anderson destroys the reapers.

But lets say you think control is the best way to go so you side with TIM and so he deals with the reaper weapon and choice to control them.

then for the third one idk, maybe its the worse one where TIM and anderson both die and shepard doesn't want any one else to die so he decides to compromise.

(sorry for the bad writing just thinking out loud of how maybe things could go)

[ceruleancrescent]

Miss Vader wrote...

Outlaw704 wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Mizar_Panzar wrote...

I just watched the 'shepard waking from rubble' scene at the end of the credits again:

I'm afraid that I'll have to put an end to everyone's hope. The only reason you get that scene after choosing to destroy the reapers, is because that is the only choice where shepard's dead body can possibly remain:

If you choose to control the reapers, shepard turns into a husk.

If you choose the hybrid path, shepard turns into space dust.

If you choose to destroy reapers, shepard's dead body falls back to earth and is eventually discovered and tagged and perhaps people will build a shrine for him......

Nevertheless, no matter how bad the endings seems to be, and how many plotholes and nosencial it is, it is indeed, the ending, Shepard died :*(

Control does not turn you into a Husk. If you pay attention, Shepard dissolves just like in the Synthesis ending. Shepard's body would burn up in the atmosphere if it was true that he/she simply fell to Earth. If real, Shepard's body wouldn't exist period, there would be nothing to recover and would completely nullify the breathing scene at the end of the Destroy option.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7OdYt0rqZQ#t=1m09s
http://www.youtube.c...jgROzS0#t=1m53s

look at shepards face and eyes(Even they turn blue characteristic of every husk or hybrid husk.. Saren, TIM) and tell me he isn't being huskified before disolving into reaper goo

(I'm not supporing his stance because I  think it was all indoctrination, but this right here proves its something more then what meets the eye

Good catch! This could definitely prove the indoctrination of those two endings

Both look very husk like to me (the reaper behind shep is a nice touch)

Modifié par ceruleancrescent, 12 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[GBGriffin]

XCMichael wrote...

Or EA might be totally laughing there ass off right now, and thinking: "These jackasses are totally trying to make sense of something we just pulled out of our asses!? I am just going to grab some popcorn and watch these losers "hallucinate"... *looks at the guy beside him* "sorry, no offense".

Just saying...

Like I said, even if this wasn't their intent from the beginning, I'd support them if they announced "Yeaaaaaaaaah...we *totally* meant it to be indoctrination, 100% from the start...", giving shifty glances to each other throughout

[Lambchopz]

XCMichael wrote...

Or EA might be totally laughing there ass off right now, and thinking: "These jackasses are totally trying to make sense of something we just pulled out of our asses!? I am just going to grab some popcorn and watch these losers "hallucinate"... *looks at the guy beside him* "sorry, no offense".

Just saying...

Possibly. Still an entertaining discussion for those involved regardless.

Will be less entertaining if BioWare comes out and says the ending is staying as is, though.

[krystalevenstar]

xDarkspace wrote...

XCMichael wrote...

And that the last scene occurs in outer space, and Shepard has no helmet/breather on. This is either very sloppy handling of details, or a hint at a more surreal nature of the "ending" (hallucination?)

thats what i said before but nobody listened

People are listening, it's just that since the thread started that has been brought up about 20 times by now, lol

[GBGriffin]

Lambchopz wrote...



Will be less entertaining if BioWare comes out and says the ending is staying as is, though.

I don't know...I still think it'd be entertaining to have a documented list (and now videos and pictures) of inconsistencies that  showcase their mistakes

[XCMichael]

Oh and another point, remember in the "ending" sequence, Shepard's armor was pretty much blown off and he/she was just wearing a very ragged version of the Alliance crew uniform. The secret ending shows him/her in her N7 armor (of course, provided that is him/ her). Again, sloppy writing? or hint hint?

[GOODKyle]

I created this thread if it helps anyone here

http://social.biowar...04665/1#9805544

[XCMichael]

GBGriffin wrote...

XCMichael wrote...

Or EA might be totally laughing there ass off right now, and thinking: "These jackasses are totally trying to make sense of something we just pulled out of our asses!? I am just going to grab some popcorn and watch these losers "hallucinate"... *looks at the guy beside him* "sorry, no offense".

Just saying...

Like I said, even if this wasn't their intent from the beginning, I'd support them if they announced "Yeaaaaaaaaah...we *totally* meant it to be indoctrination, 100% from the start...", giving shifty glances to each other throughout

HAHA:lol:

[Lambchopz]

GBGriffin wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...



Will be less entertaining if BioWare comes out and says the ending is staying as is, though.

I don't know...I still think it'd be entertaining to have a documented list (and now videos and pictures) of inconsistencies that  showcase their mistakes

Agreed. Either way, this discussion has lead to some good things. I am glad it turned out to be such a nice thread.

[krystalevenstar]

carilynn46 wrote...

(based of my final play through after she wakes up)

Shepard gasps for air as every thing around her has grown quiet, pain fills her body as she tries to move but the rubble is just to much for her to move. In the distance she could hear some one calling out for her....

"Shepard?!"

The voice was familar but it was also weak, again she tries to move but she can;t get out of this mess alone. Using all she could she called out to him...

"Kaidan?!"

Again it grew quite as she could hear another voice but it was hard to make out. didn't they hear her?

"KAIDAN?!"

he heard fast foot steps coming towards her,

'Sheparad, were here come on james lets get this stuff off her'

they begin to remove the rubble off of shepard, in agony shepard reaches out to them...

kaidan smiles at her runing a hand down her face.

'you look like hell..."

"look whose talking"

shepard sits up and looks around

'wheres anderson?'

' he made it to the conduit...."

then maybe have shepard go after him telling her comrades to help any one they can and take them back to safety, your LI will try to convince you other wise but you go any way. Then once up there you have the interaction with TIM ( maybe even choicing a side) if you choice anderson, then you have that conversation where anderson talks about you being a good mom ect, and since he thinks shepard has more reason to live or he thinks she should continue on he volunters to stay and deal wiith the reaper weapon sending shepard back to earth to get medical attention ect and Anderson destroys the reapers.

But lets say you think control is the best way to go so you side with TIM and so he deals with the reaper weapon and choice to control them.

then for the third one idk, maybe its the worse one where TIM and anderson both die and shepard doesn't want any one else to die so he decides to compromise.

(sorry for the bad writing just thinking out loud of how maybe things could go)

I completely agree with this. It makes sense for those unused bits of dialogue, and it could be something that is just locked on the disk. 90% of this different ending is using things that are in the current crap ending, so it wouldn't need to be DLC, it could just be some sort of patched unlock signal to trigger the true ending. The fact that we've found the extended conversation with not just femshep and anderson, but also maleshep and they're completely 100% ready to in game is like, the sinker for me.

[Lugaidster]

Either we're geniuses for figuring this out, or we start another thread after an official response called "masseffectaholics anonymous". I'm up for either, I'm not ready to give up on Mass Effect just yet.

[Heavvy Metall]

Ah **** it! My theory is ME2 and ME3 never happened. Sheppard and Joker got married and had plenty of disabled children that went on to play for Earth's wheelchair basketball team in the Galaxy Olympics. After the Olympics Sheppard joined a Led Zep cover band and started to do alot of Acid and Weed thus, making him think he was still a soldier and that the collectors and reapers were coming.