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[GBGriffin]

lex0r11 wrote...


Don't want to get off topic again but when it comes to morality system in a game i don't like how Mass Effect and many other games do it. These are not moral choices, these are "leveling a bar" decisions and you will never choose what you think is right in taht situation, because you've made your choice at the beginning.

Me, at least, would like choices that don't affect a level, but something you can't see at first. Think you just did the right thing? Later you find out you ****ed up even more because your were tricked or something. Grey is way more realistic than black or white. Pragon will sometimes just punch a douchy admiral for being a douche. Even strong willed Shepard.

I agree completely about the leveling bar. For me, though, since I would naturally play ultimate Paragon anyways, it works out...although I would love balance, and I think that's somewhat present in ME3...just not completely (don't you need a full bar either way to charm/intimidate TIM?)

@ Big Bad: I have never played any of the Witcher games (the sad part is that I often compared games to the ME series, 1 and 2, and if I felt they didn't measure up, I just played ME 1 and 2 instead )

I might give the series a try, though, just as a way to kill kim. A friend has also recommended DA:O for me (I never finished it because, again, I liked ME more and when I finally got around to it, I didn't want to buy all the DLC).

[UrgedDuke]

how does GBGriffin always know

Modifié par UrgedDuke, 11 avril 2012 - 04:37 .

[savagejuicebox]

lex0r11 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

 GBGriffin: 

Always primarily paragon as well, but that is because I can't bring myself to be anything but that. No matter the game if there is a choice between good/evil (I know that is not quite how para/Rene works) I always pick the good path and any attempt to go evil ends with me deleting the save a few hours later unable to continue because I feel guilty about Beeing a d...

I do the exact same thing I do, haha. Morality in games is interesting, especially in ME1 or 2 where you really need to pick an alignment and stick with it with no switching or gray area responses if you want the full benefit. Again, Renegade often tends to be a bit...much for me. I think that if I convince myself that the worst ME2 playthrough is more of a joke and not my official canon (lol), I'll be able to do it

Don't want to get off topic again but when it comes to morality system in a game i don't like how Mass Effect and many other game do it. These are not moral choices, these are "leveling a bar" decisions and you will never choose what you think is right in taht situation, because you've made your choice at the beginning.

Me, at least, would like choices that don't affect a level, but something you can't see at first. Think you just did the right thing? Later you find out you ****ed up even more because your were tricked or something. Grey is way more realistic than black or white. Pragon will sometimes just punch a douchy admiral for being a douche. Even strong willed Shepard.

Yeah, grey can get really fun, its why i like the witcher so much. Mass effects morality system is like most morality systems, not really the most sofisticated but it achieves what it sets out to do.(ending excluded in my opinion)

I like punching douchies (hehe douchies) for being douches too.

Modifié par savagejuicebox, 11 avril 2012 - 04:35 .

[Bill Casey]

balance5050 wrote...

You need to do a third one for the Geth Consensus mission.

Already did one...

[Icinix]

Zuka999 wrote...

If some form of Indoctrination Theory proved true, my head would explode. I can't believe they haven't just said no, its not happening.

This the other thing, they haven't denied it or stood by their 'artistic integrity'. You would think people believing the polar opposite to what they intended would illicit them to at the very least say 'hey, look, it wasn't idoctrination, shep was wide awake and lucid.'

[balance5050]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Couple of things.
1. I find it funny that as soon as I mention how cool I think Alan is he posts in this thread. Thus, I come to the conclusion that I am able to summon Bioware employees at will.
2. The name of the star kid that I have begun to affectionately call him is "space cancer" it infects your game and kills it, unless you have a healthy dose of IDT chemo

Yeah, IDT definitly saved me from some serious cancer/depression.

[Golferguy758]

GBGriffin wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

This is Shepard Dreaming...



This is the Ending...

Heh, I'm trying to go to bed, and hopefully I won't be summoned until tomorrow, but what would an apperance be if I didn't trol...argue a little?

To me, this is just presentation and/or design that simply overlaps and is fairly common, at least in other visual storytelling mediums, or, as you mortals call know them, films (I'm not sure why I called films "
visual storytelling mediums" because it sounds really pretentious, but it amuses me, so I'm going with it ).

Again, it could mean everything or, conversely, mean nothing beyond a method for transition they simply used twice. It's okay if it doesn't mean anything special; nothing other than the IT demands that it mean anything at all beyond a simple fade-to-white scene transition (I don't think it's right to compare ME to a film, but again, films use this for dream sequences and simple transitions)

Wanting something to mean something beyond face value doesn't necessarily mean that it does, or even has to. 

That being said, respond if you like, or don't if you'd like me to stay away Either way, I'll talk to you folks later.

Just a quick response to this as I'm about to make my way to bed as well.
The same sequence is used when leaving the Geth VR as well. 

Does it conclusively proove it was all a dream? Nope! Just something interesting that could be classified as a "Huh. Used that three times now. And all of which involve leaving a location that was fake."

[clennon8]

A friend pointed out to me that the area where Shepard gets blasted by Harby's laser is shaped like an indoctrination artifact. Not sure if true or coincidental or what.

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

I can't really see at least one of the endings not being IT in revelation (at least the breathing scene one), I can understand if they didn't make it a revelation for the non-destroy endings because it sounds like people would just be pissed if they were told they were dead wrong (though that's what I do think it should be...)

Modifié par THEE_DEATHMASTER, 11 avril 2012 - 04:38 .

[savagejuicebox]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Any opinions on the IT theory Allan?

I've enjoyed reading up on it haha.  It's interesting seeing some of the things that get pointed out, and on more than a few occasions the ACAVYOS video really made me go "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm."  It's also interesting to look at some of the conclusions IT fans have drawn, and to see if I have any thoughts about them not just from a lore standpoint, but also a technical standpoint.  While I may not work on ME, I do understand how the development process works enough to hypothesize why some things may be the way they are.

I have no idea what is going into the ending DLC, so it has me intrigued for what it is we'll be releasing exactly.  I'm looking forward to it haha.

I know you may not want to touch this, but why do you think they have refused to confirm or deny the IT? Is it purely PR at work? I understand you wouldnt know the true answer just wondering if you may have some insight for a better perspective. Thanks in advance.

[clennon8]

I still say the Shep Breathes scene is on the Citadel, and IT needs to be adjusted to account for that.

[balance5050]

Bill Casey wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You need to do a third one for the Geth Consensus mission.

Already did one...

*snipped*

Now put all 3 of them together. Byne,  do you think that's OP material? Cause I do. It very handily illustrates IDT and the link between dreams, being uploaded to a digital world, and the hybrid of these that is the ending sequence.

[UrgedDuke]

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

I can't really see at least one of the endings not being IT in revelation (at least the breathing scene one), I can understand if they didn't make it a revelation for the non-destroy endings because it sounds like people would just be pissed if they were told they were dead wrong (though that's what I do think it should be...)

I think it should be all or nothing if they make only the red ending the IT one that would be very dumb and just a bad way to try to please everybody

[XXIceColdXX]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Any opinions on the IT theory Allan?

I've enjoyed reading up on it haha.  It's interesting seeing some of the things that get pointed out, and on more than a few occasions the ACAVYOS video really made me go "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm."  It's also interesting to look at some of the conclusions IT fans have drawn, and to see if I have any thoughts about them not just from a lore standpoint, but also a technical standpoint.  While I may not work on ME, I do understand how the development process works enough to hypothesize why some things may be the way they are.

I have no idea what is going into the ending DLC, so it has me intrigued for what it is we'll be releasing exactly.  I'm looking forward to it haha.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. That ACAVYOS video certainly does get you thinking.

[Bill Casey]

Golferguy758 wrote...

"Huh. Used that three times now. And all of which involve leaving a location that was fake."

I wouldn't call the Geth Consensus level a "fake" location...
The Geth Consensus is very real. It's just Shepard's mind making sense of what he's dealing with...

He really is deleting Reaper code and recovering important memories...
It's a place of the mind...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 11 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[savagejuicebox]

Bill Casey wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

"Huh. Used that three times now. And all of which involve leaving a location that was fake."

I wouldn't call the Geth Consensus level a "fake" location...
The Geth Consensus is very real. It's just Shepard's mind making sense of what he's traversing...

He really is deleting Reaper code and recovering important memories...
It's a place of the mind...

That is the point "Shepard's mind" They use the animation and context to send the player a message, its a narrative device to give the player reference points. (at least that is what we think it is, we could be wrong but i dont think so)

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

clennon8 wrote...

I still say the Shep Breathes scene is on the Citadel, and IT needs to be adjusted to account for that.

And this is the third time I reply to you on this subject without a response.

I have looked and looked but the tube Shepard shoots as well as the entire area where the last scene takes place is nothing but solid metal. No rocks of any kind. In fact the only rocks I can recall on the citadel across all three games have been statues.

The wire/cable also looks like a metal spike to me Beeing completely rigid and seemingly completely solid. We can agree however that it is not reaper tech since the spiral pattern on it is completely different from the reaper cables.

And even if it was on the citadel one would also have t account for shepard surviving the massive explosion (inner ring still there or not that explosion engulfed the place he supposedly were) Beeing alive without a helmet in space (pretty sure the citadel exploding shuts down or cuts of most power supply like would be needed for a mass effect field to keep him alive) and then also imminent orbital reentry, this time without helmet and a burned up armor with no mass effect fields (we know this because marauder shields shot clearly hit Shepard dead in the shoulder with nothing stopping it)

[GBGriffin]

 

UrgedDuke wrote...

how does GBGriffin always know

 

You're asking me to reveal my potential source or sources for information, eh?

Very well: one or more of the people in this thread is or are a traitor or traitors. Maybe.

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, IDT definitly saved me from some serious cancer/depression.

Honestly, I'm trying my best to remind myself that it did the same thing for me (well, not cancer, the other bit). The IT is what allowed me to pick up ME3 later that weel after finishing it in tears and binge drinking the night away It gave me hope to start a NG+ to spot the evidence, and while I personally lost faith in it, I understand that it still works for many people.

Again, I'd honestly like to make the distinction that my issue isn't exactly with IT; I think it's flawed, and as someone who majored in psychology (soft science, lol, but still did research), a theory like this irks me on that level. A flawed theory that gives people hope, legitimate hope, though, isn't all bad...but, of course, like watching a child in the street, I want to warn them about the potential danger (please don't think I'm comparing you children; it's just an example ). It's great to hope the IT is true, especially if it gives you hope...but don't invest in it 100% on the chance it won't come true. That, to me, will lead to similar personal issues as the endings already did, maybe worse.

My biggest issue is, and always has been, the people who get confrontational about the theory. Now, "proof" threads are debatable; they are seeking to provoke discussion, but I get irritated because the OP felt the need to make a new thread, not post in this one. I generally mean the people who insult others for not "getting" it, or dismissing anything other than IT as a possibility, or, of course, some of the very treatment I've received with regard to name calling, insults, vulagr content, etc...even when I'm being civil or not. That behavior, to me, is what myself and others consider to be "forcing" the IT onto people who don't want it.

Again, though, that is an unfair generalization to attribute to the theorists as a whole. Clearly, many of you are people worth talking to (if you weren't I wouldn't use my potential source or sources, if any at all, to find out if I was being summoned ). If you keep the discussion directed at me civil, I'll try to do the same, and if you catch me being uncivil elsewhere, feel free to call me out on it because I don't always stop myself.

And now, I bid you all adieu!

Modifié par GBGriffin, 11 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[Allan Schumacher]

savagejuicebox wrote...

I know you may not want to touch this, but why do you think they have refused to confirm or deny the IT? Is it purely PR at work? I understand you wouldnt know the true answer just wondering if you may have some insight for a better perspective. Thanks in advance.

I have no answers for that sorry.  After my retinal scan to enter the building, I am taken by armed escort to my padded room with an uplink to remotely access my workstuff where the door is locked with one guard remaining inside, one guard remaining outside.  A nutrient rich sludge is periodically fed to me through an IV to help maintain a peak level of awareness, with a touch of endorphins to ensure I am in a pleasantly content state.  Any cross talking with ME teams would result in time in "the hole" which is quite similar except the walls are not padded, and I am denied nutient rich sludge.

I can't live without the nutrient rich sludge so I have to stay in the dark like you guys....

[Bill Casey]

...what about dental?

[Sisterofshane]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

I know you may not want to touch this, but why do you think they have refused to confirm or deny the IT? Is it purely PR at work? I understand you wouldnt know the true answer just wondering if you may have some insight for a better perspective. Thanks in advance.

I have no answers for that sorry.  After my retinal scan to enter the building, I am taken by armed escort to my padded room with an uplink to remotely access my workstuff where the door is locked with one guard remaining inside, one guard remaining outside.  A nutrient rich sludge is periodically fed to me through an IV to help maintain a peak level of awareness, with a touch of endorphins to ensure I am in a pleasantly content state.  Any cross talking with ME teams would result in time in "the hole" which is quite similar except the walls are not padded, and I am denied nutient rich sludge.

I can't live without the nutrient rich sludge so I have to stay in the dark like you guys....

Wait a minute, Allan, are you just yankin' my chain?    

[UrgedDuke]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

I still say the Shep Breathes scene is on the Citadel, and IT needs to be adjusted to account for that.

And this is the third time I reply to you on this subject without a response.

I have looked and looked but the tube Shepard shoots as well as the entire area where the last scene takes place is nothing but solid metal. No rocks of any kind. In fact the only rocks I can recall on the citadel across all three games have been statues.

The wire/cable also looks like a metal spike to me Beeing completely rigid and seemingly completely solid. We can agree however that it is not reaper tech since the spiral pattern on it is completely different from the reaper cables.

And even if it was on the citadel one would also have t account for shepard surviving the massive explosion (inner ring still there or not that explosion engulfed the place he supposedly were) Beeing alive without a helmet in space (pretty sure the citadel exploding shuts down or cuts of most power supply like would be needed for a mass effect field to keep him alive) and then also imminent orbital reentry, this time without helmet and a burned up armor with no mass effect fields (we know this because marauder shields shot clearly hit Shepard dead in the shoulder with nothing stopping it)

did anyone ever come up with a good argument for why shepard is able to survive in open space during the last scene

[savagejuicebox]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

I know you may not want to touch this, but why do you think they have refused to confirm or deny the IT? Is it purely PR at work? I understand you wouldnt know the true answer just wondering if you may have some insight for a better perspective. Thanks in advance.

I have no answers for that sorry.  After my retinal scan to enter the building, I am taken by armed escort to my padded room with an uplink to remotely access my workstuff where the door is locked with one guard remaining inside, one guard remaining outside.  A nutrient rich sludge is periodically fed to me through an IV to help maintain a peak level of awareness, with a touch of endorphins to ensure I am in a pleasantly content state.  Any cross talking with ME teams would result in time in "the hole" which is quite similar except the walls are not padded, and I am denied nutient rich sludge.

I can't live without the nutrient rich sludge so I have to stay in the dark like you guys....

Hahahha thank you, i needed that laugh. Well it was worth a shot, i dont want you to lose your sludge privileges so i wont pry any longer on that matter. How goes the Dragon age world? Im eagerly looking forward to more instalments!

[balance5050]

GBGriffin wrote...

 

UrgedDuke wrote...

how does GBGriffin always know

 

You're asking me to reveal my potential source or sources for information, eh?

Very well: one or more of the people in this thread is or are a traitor or traitors. Maybe.

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, IDT definitly saved me from some serious cancer/depression.

Honestly, I'm trying my best to remind myself that it did the same thing for me (well, not cancer, the other bit). The IT is what allowed me to pick up ME3 later that weel after finishing it in tears and binge drinking the night away It gave me hope to start a NG+ to spot the evidence, and while I personally lost faith in it, I understand that it still works for many people.

Again, I'd honestly like to make the distinction that my issue isn't exactly with IT; I think it's flawed, and as someone who majored in psychology (soft science, lol, but still did research), a theory like this irks me on that level. A flawed theory that gives people hope, legitimate hope, though, isn't all bad...but, of course, like watching a child in the street, I want to warn them about the potential danger (please don't think I'm comparing you children; it's just an example ). It's great to hope the IT is true, especially if it gives you hope...but don't invest in it 100% on the chance it won't come true. That, to me, will lead to similar personal issues as the endings already did, maybe worse.

My biggest issue is, and always has been, the people who get confrontational about the theory. Now, "proof" threads are debatable; they are seeking to provoke discussion, but I get irritated because the OP felt the need to make a new thread, not post in this one. I generally mean the people who insult others for not "getting" it, or dismissing anything other than IT as a possibility, or, of course, some of the very treatment I've received with regard to name calling, insults, vulagr content, etc...even when I'm being civil or not. That behavior, to me, is what myself and others consider to be "forcing" the IT onto people who don't want it.

Again, though, that is an unfair generalization to attribute to the theorists as a whole. Clearly, many of you are people worth talking to (if you weren't I wouldn't use my potential source or sources, if any at all, to find out if I was being summoned ). If you keep the discussion directed at me civil, I'll try to do the same, and if you catch me being uncivil elsewhere, feel free to call me out on it because I don't always stop myself.

And now, I bid you all adieu!

False hope can definitly bite you in the ass, and it may be somewhat foolish to still give Bioware the benefit of the doubt, but if they are truly listening to the fans, they should at least nod to it in the EC. Even if they leave it open to interpretation without disproving it, I'll be able to deal.

[ArenCordial]

Allan Schumacher wrote...


I have no answers for that sorry.  After my retinal scan to enter the building, I am taken by armed escort to my padded room with an uplink to remotely access my workstuff where the door is locked with one guard remaining inside, one guard remaining outside.  A nutrient rich sludge is periodically fed to me through an IV to help maintain a peak level of awareness, with a touch of endorphins to ensure I am in a pleasantly content state.  Any cross talking with ME teams would result in time in "the hole" which is quite similar except the walls are not padded, and I am denied nutient rich sludge.

I can't live without the nutrient rich sludge so I have to stay in the dark like you guys....

Wow sounds like my job. 

When you see a big red tube, shoot at it.  Just don't stand too close.