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[Bill Casey]

Maybe the ending is Buzz Aldrin having a stroke...

[lex0r11]

balance5050 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

 

UrgedDuke wrote...

how does GBGriffin always know

 

You're asking me to reveal my potential source or sources for information, eh?

Very well: one or more of the people in this thread is or are a traitor or traitors. Maybe.

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, IDT definitly saved me from some serious cancer/depression.

Honestly, I'm trying my best to remind myself that it did the same thing for me (well, not cancer, the other bit). The IT is what allowed me to pick up ME3 later that weel after finishing it in tears and binge drinking the night away It gave me hope to start a NG+ to spot the evidence, and while I personally lost faith in it, I understand that it still works for many people.

Again, I'd honestly like to make the distinction that my issue isn't exactly with IT; I think it's flawed, and as someone who majored in psychology (soft science, lol, but still did research), a theory like this irks me on that level. A flawed theory that gives people hope, legitimate hope, though, isn't all bad...but, of course, like watching a child in the street, I want to warn them about the potential danger (please don't think I'm comparing you children; it's just an example ). It's great to hope the IT is true, especially if it gives you hope...but don't invest in it 100% on the chance it won't come true. That, to me, will lead to similar personal issues as the endings already did, maybe worse.

My biggest issue is, and always has been, the people who get confrontational about the theory. Now, "proof" threads are debatable; they are seeking to provoke discussion, but I get irritated because the OP felt the need to make a new thread, not post in this one. I generally mean the people who insult others for not "getting" it, or dismissing anything other than IT as a possibility, or, of course, some of the very treatment I've received with regard to name calling, insults, vulagr content, etc...even when I'm being civil or not. That behavior, to me, is what myself and others consider to be "forcing" the IT onto people who don't want it.

Again, though, that is an unfair generalization to attribute to the theorists as a whole. Clearly, many of you are people worth talking to (if you weren't I wouldn't use my potential source or sources, if any at all, to find out if I was being summoned ). If you keep the discussion directed at me civil, I'll try to do the same, and if you catch me being uncivil elsewhere, feel free to call me out on it because I don't always stop myself.

And now, I bid you all adieu!

False hope can definitly bite you in the ass, and it may be somewhat foolish to still give Bioware the benefit of the doubt, but if they are truly listening to the fans, they should at least nod to it in the EC. Even if they leave it open to interpretation without disproving it, I'll be able to deal.

I guess a lot surely want to take that risk.

And you know, without hope we might as well be mashines.

Modifié par lex0r11, 11 avril 2012 - 04:56 .

[balance5050]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

I know you may not want to touch this, but why do you think they have refused to confirm or deny the IT? Is it purely PR at work? I understand you wouldnt know the true answer just wondering if you may have some insight for a better perspective. Thanks in advance.

I have no answers for that sorry.  After my retinal scan to enter the building, I am taken by armed escort to my padded room with an uplink to remotely access my workstuff where the door is locked with one guard remaining inside, one guard remaining outside.  A nutrient rich sludge is periodically fed to me through an IV to help maintain a peak level of awareness, with a touch of endorphins to ensure I am in a pleasantly content state.  Any cross talking with ME teams would result in time in "the hole" which is quite similar except the walls are not padded, and I am denied nutient rich sludge.

I can't live without the nutrient rich sludge so I have to stay in the dark like you guys....

LOL! I think I like this guy...

Modifié par balance5050, 11 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[GBGriffin]

UrgedDuke wrote...


did anyone ever come up with a good argument for why shepard is able to survive in open space during the last scene

Just in case no one answers and I can still rationalize this post as me saying something on the way out, my interpretation of this was that I think they describe how the atmosphere in the Citadel is maintained...and I always just assumed it was still within the generated "shield" or whatever that allowed peopel to walk around normally.

To cite the Codex from 1 (I think it's 1, this sounds familiar since I think I recently read about it in game):

  
The "arms" of the Citadel, known as the Wards, constitute the residential and commercial sectors of the station. Densely populated, housing millions of residents from many galactic species, the Wards are akin to Earth cities such as Hong Kong and Singapore. Numerous skyscrapers rise from the superstructure, sealed against vacuum, as breathable atmosphere is only maintained to a height of approximately 7 meters. Unlike the Presidium, there is no artificial day-night cycle; as a consequence of this, commercial activity rarely ceases, and residents work and rest according to personal need. Barla Von appropriately dubs the area the cultural heart of the Citadel, and therefore of Citadel space. The Wards are policed by the Citadel Security Services (C-Sec), whose offices and custody suites are located in the Lower Wards. Flux is a popular night club, also located in the Wards.

- taken from Mass Effect Wiki - Citadel: Wards

I just generally assumed something like this was in place.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

I know you may not want to touch this, but why do you think they have refused to confirm or deny the IT? Is it purely PR at work? I understand you wouldnt know the true answer just wondering if you may have some insight for a better perspective. Thanks in advance.

I have no answers for that sorry.  After my retinal scan to enter the building, I am taken by armed escort to my padded room with an uplink to remotely access my workstuff where the door is locked with one guard remaining inside, one guard remaining outside.  A nutrient rich sludge is periodically fed to me through an IV to help maintain a peak level of awareness, with a touch of endorphins to ensure I am in a pleasantly content state.  Any cross talking with ME teams would result in time in "the hole" which is quite similar except the walls are not padded, and I am denied nutient rich sludge.

I can't live without the nutrient rich sludge so I have to stay in the dark like you guys....

I knew it!!!

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

FemHawke is still better than MaleHawke imo

Agreed, I wasn't separating the two versions of the same awful character. FemHawke's VA was the only thing that made that game worth playing.

Dwailing wrote...

OK, a guy named Brazukka messaged me to have me post this on the thread. Here's what he said.

" Ok man,i can't post in the IT Thread - http://social.biowar...ex/9727423/1385 -because i don't have my ME3 registred in this account,so i'm asking you a favor
I found this on Mass effect wikiaZha'til The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.
As far as i comprehended,the Zha were turned into synthetic-Organic Life form just as the synthesis end did with the rest of the galaxyIf you read all and get the some conclusions that i got,please post thatPS:Sorry for my bad english / wrong spelling"

What do you think?

The collector talks about them if, for some reason, you keep going down to Grunt's room to talk to the hateful bug. I didn't remember him mentioning the Reapers having anything to do with it though. The way he told it the only time I've listened to his crap, they simply turned on their masters of their own will and made them into eldritch abominations. And--wait. The Protheans could make a star supernova? WTF?

Dwailing wrote...

So, anything new? Any motivationals? Any brilliant revelations about the endings?

Ask and ye shall receive.

byne wrote...

We need to all agree on a name for godchild imo.

I'm in favor of godchild.

I also saw someone call him Task Manager, because he lets you CTRL the Reapers, ALTer all life in the galaxy, or DELete all synthetics. I like that name too.

I just call him "teabag" but that works too.

byne wrote...

Plus I'm too busy shooting submission nets at enemies on my Batarian sentinel.

Its way too fun.

People actually want to play batarians?! ... Why?!

I my krogan sentinel, but probably only because I've never even tried gold. I imagine the swarms of supermobs there would... discourage melee. It's incredibly satisfying to hit a phantom so hard its remains land 15 foot away though.

GBGriffin wrote...

Either way, I'm fine waiting until the EC comes out (I might even try some insanity runs!)

If you're not used to insanity mode, go vanguard. Charge and nova is just... I can't believe they nerfed adrenaline rush at the same time they gave vanguards nova. In 3, anyway. In 2, infiltrator or soldier is probably best. Anything but an adept. Since you can't use biotics on enemies with armor (maybe shields/barriers, I forget), and insanity gives virtually everything extra defenses... people only play adept/insanity on ME2 to intentionally cripple themselves for a challenge.

clennon8 wrote...

I still say the Shep Breathes scene is on the Citadel, and IT needs to be adjusted to account for that.

<Sten> No. </Sten>

[UrgedDuke]

did anyone ever come up with a good argument for why shepard is able to survive in open space during the last scene



Just in case no one answers and I can still rationalize this post as me saying something on the way out, my interpretation of this was that I think they describe how the atmosphere in the Citadel is maintained...and I always just assumed it was still within the generated "shield" or whatever that allowed peopel to walk around normally.

To cite the Codex from 1 (I think it's 1, this sounds familiar since I think I recently read about it in game):


yes but remember in ME 1 you needed to wear your helmet while outside the citadel on the last mission. The final scene is clearly a spot where there should be no atmosphere. GBGriffin GBGriffin GBGriffin

Modifié par UrgedDuke, 11 avril 2012 - 05:04 .

[GBGriffin]

Rifneno wrote...

If you're not used to insanity mode, go vanguard. Charge and nova is just... I can't believe they nerfed adrenaline rush at the same time they gave vanguards nova. In 3, anyway. In 2, infiltrator or soldier is probably best. Anything but an adept. Since you can't use biotics on enemies with armor (maybe shields/barriers, I forget), and insanity gives virtually everything extra defenses... people only play adept/insanity on ME2 to intentionally cripple themselves for a challenge.

Just dropping back in to thank you personally for this advice. I tried vanguard out a bit and more or less gave up because of femsheps' animation for Nova than anything else. If it gets the job done, though, who am I to argue?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

UrgedDuke wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

I still say the Shep Breathes scene is on the Citadel, and IT needs to be adjusted to account for that.

And this is the third time I reply to you on this subject without a response.

I have looked and looked but the tube Shepard shoots as well as the entire area where the last scene takes place is nothing but solid metal. No rocks of any kind. In fact the only rocks I can recall on the citadel across all three games have been statues.

The wire/cable also looks like a metal spike to me Beeing completely rigid and seemingly completely solid. We can agree however that it is not reaper tech since the spiral pattern on it is completely different from the reaper cables.

And even if it was on the citadel one would also have t account for shepard surviving the massive explosion (inner ring still there or not that explosion engulfed the place he supposedly were) Beeing alive without a helmet in space (pretty sure the citadel exploding shuts down or cuts of most power supply like would be needed for a mass effect field to keep him alive) and then also imminent orbital reentry, this time without helmet and a burned up armor with no mass effect fields (we know this because marauder shields shot clearly hit Shepard dead in the shoulder with nothing stopping it)

did anyone ever come up with a good argument for why shepard is able to survive in open space during the last scene

So far as I can figure there's some kind of kinetic barrier put up in that space between the Citadel and Crucible, probably by the Catalyst/Godchild so it can speak with Shepard without him/her dying. That might explain the echo/reverb in that area.

The Shepard Breath scene taking place ont he Citadel isn't entirely impossible, but not very likely. The concrete rubble for one makes it seem more like the warzone on Earth, but the cables (that people say look like rebar) looks like the reaper tech you see in the dark corridor when you make it up the beam/conduit. There's also some kind of circular object in the background that looks a little like the beam/conduit area to me but I can't possitivley identify it as anything. I'm almost positive Shepard is back on Earth, but can't say anything for sure until Bioware raises the curtain on Extended Cut (hopefully).

[GBGriffin]

UrgedDuke wrote...


yes but remember in ME 1 you needed to wear your helmet while outside the citadel on the last mission. The final scene is clearly a spot where there should be no atmosphere. GBGriffin GBGriffin GBGriffin

Bah! The triple summon! Noooooo!

In all honesty, without some layout of where exactly the atmosphere is generated or what it covers beyond the Codex info, I'm not sure what else to say about this. Again, this is speculation on my part because I don't claim to be knowledgeable on the architecture of the Citadel.

Maybe the presence of the console was factored into the Citadel design and they felt that if an organic was meant to use it, then the atmosphere should at least work there. They probably didn't feel organics would be walking on the Citadel by shooting open the elevator, so maybe they didn't implement the atmosphere on that area.

And, finally, there's the unfortunate opportuntiy that they just made a mistake and didn't consider it. Attribute it to different writers, different designers, or just a desire to make a beautiful moment between Shep and Anderson work.

Again, could mean everything or it could mean nothing, but, imo, there is no universal law that dictates that it MUST mean something deep or mind-blowing.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 11 avril 2012 - 05:09 .

[clennon8]

There's a video where somebody did the flycam thing and looked all around the apparatus that Shepard shoots, and part of it does indeed look like concrete or a concrete-like substance. And there are grooves in the substance, which look like the grooves you can see in some of the prominent chunks in the Shep Breathes video. And did you notice that some of those chunks look like cut stone? With perpendicular flat planes? Not random rubble from a blown up street.

As for how Shepard can survive/breathe "in space." The Citadel is capable of generating force fields.

That thing you're identifying as "rebar" does not look like the rebar that appears elsewhere in the game. It looks virtually identical to the Citadel cables.

I know you guys don't want to hear it, but I'm telling you, that scene is on the Citadel. Doesn't mean you have to abandon the indoctrination angle entirely. I haven't. I still think indoctrination plays heavily into the end sequence.

Modifié par clennon8, 11 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[lex0r11]

LOL

Guys, let Griffin go to sleep. Man needs a rest like everyone else.

[UrgedDuke]

GBGriffin wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...


yes but remember in ME 1 you needed to wear your helmet while outside the citadel on the last mission. The final scene is clearly a spot where there should be no atmosphere. GBGriffin GBGriffin GBGriffin

Bah! The triple summon! Noooooo!

In all honesty, without some layout of where exactly the atmosphere is generated or what it covers beyond the Codex info, I'm not sure what else to say about this. Again, this is speculation on my part because I don't claim to be knowledgeable on the archiecture of the Citadel.

Maybe the presence of the console was factored into the Citadel design and they felt that if an organic was meant to use it, then the atmosphere should at least work there. They probably didn't feel organics would be walking on the Citadel by shooting open the elevator, so maybe they didn't implement the atmosphere on that area.

And, finally, there's the unfortunate opportuntiy that they just made a mistake and didn't consider it. Attribute it to different writers, different designers, or just a desire to make a beautiful moment between Shep and Anderson work.

Again, could mean everything or it could mean nothing, but, imo, there is no universal law that dictates that it MUST mean something deep or mind-blowing.

Just admit it you have no answer because the end makes no sense and therefore IT ..... GBGRIFFIN!!!!!

Modifié par UrgedDuke, 11 avril 2012 - 05:13 .

[Rath111]

What's going on here?

[balance5050]

UrgedDuke wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...


yes but remember in ME 1 you needed to wear your helmet while outside the citadel on the last mission. The final scene is clearly a spot where there should be no atmosphere. GBGriffin GBGriffin GBGriffin

Bah! The triple summon! Noooooo!

In all honesty, without some layout of where exactly the atmosphere is generated or what it covers beyond the Codex info, I'm not sure what else to say about this. Again, this is speculation on my part because I don't claim to be knowledgeable on the archiecture of the Citadel.

Maybe the presence of the console was factored into the Citadel design and they felt that if an organic was meant to use it, then the atmosphere should at least work there. They probably didn't feel organics would be walking on the Citadel by shooting open the elevator, so maybe they didn't implement the atmosphere on that area.

And, finally, there's the unfortunate opportuntiy that they just made a mistake and didn't consider it. Attribute it to different writers, different designers, or just a desire to make a beautiful moment between Shep and Anderson work.

Again, could mean everything or it could mean nothing, but, imo, there is no universal law that dictates that it MUST mean something deep or mind-blowing.

Just admit it you have no answer because the end makes no sense and therefore IT

Dude, you have lost your debate license for tonight with that. GBGriffin is an excellent debater and left it open for speculation. You can't force people to interpret the ending the same way you do, and only Sith deal in absolutes.

[UrgedDuke]

bah. its 1:15 AM here give me a break will ya Balance i just wanted to go out with a bang ( I am lacking of a better expression cuz i am tired)

Modifié par UrgedDuke, 11 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[balance5050]

UrgedDuke wrote...

bah. its 1:15 AM here give me a break will ya Balance i just wanted to go out with a bang

I get it, I just don't want things to deteriorate into another "I'm right, you're dumb" fiasco.

[GBGriffin]

 

lex0r11 wrote...

Griffin go to sleep.

 

UrgedDuke wrote...


Just admit it you have no answer because the end makes no sense and therefore IT ..... GBGRIFFIN!!!!!

To hell with both of you!


On an unrelated subject I've neglected to mention previously, but is, at least, somewhat relevant here, I've actually been recovering from surgery for the past week and a half, so I truly do need the rest, as much as I do enjoy these little chats

The interesting bit is that the symptoms really got severe a few days after the ME3 launch, so, if anything, I have a one-up on all of you: I can claim ME3 forced me to have surgery

[UrgedDuke]

balance5050 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

bah. its 1:15 AM here give me a break will ya Balance i just wanted to go out with a bang

I get it, I just don't want things to deteriorate into another "I'm right, you're dumb" fiasco.

I was here for that debate believe I don't want to stur up trouble

[Rath111]

is there a thread bigger than this?

[lex0r11]

You guys know what will happen if you don't behave.

[UrgedDuke]

I must retire see you guys later.... keep holding the line

[lex0r11]

Rath111 wrote...

is there a thread bigger than this?

There is or was. At least 2500+ pages the last time i saw it. Wait, i'll try to find it.

edit
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9512916/1#9512916
3200+ pages.

Modifié par lex0r11, 11 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[Gerdiun0]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I have no answers for that sorry.  After my retinal scan to enter the building, I am taken by armed escort to my padded room with an uplink to remotely access my workstuff where the door is locked with one guard remaining inside, one guard remaining outside.  A nutrient rich sludge is periodically fed to me through an IV to help maintain a peak level of awareness, with a touch of endorphins to ensure I am in a pleasantly content state.  Any cross talking with ME teams would result in time in "the hole" which is quite similar except the walls are not padded, and I am denied nutient rich sludge.

I can't live without the nutrient rich sludge so I have to stay in the dark like you guys....

And that's why every time I try to convince my girlfriend that my wish of moving to Canada and applying for a job at Bioware ends up with her freaking out. 
Guess she knew something I didn't…. 

[balance5050]

lex0r11 wrote...

Rath111 wrote...

is there a thread bigger than this?

There is or was. At least 2500+ pages the last time i saw it. Wait, i'll try to find it.

edit
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9512916/1#9512916
3200+ pages.

It's long, but it's not as on topic these days.

*edit: irony

Modifié par balance5050, 11 avril 2012 - 05:33 .