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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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#35001
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Allan Schumacher! You nearly gave me a heart attack! I saw the Bioware sign next to the thread and was like "OMG THEY COMMENTED ON IT!!!!1111" and then I died and Cerberus had to resurrect me, but damn you Allan! Now I have all this Reaper tech in my body.

Oh hey Starchild.... What now? You want to shoot that red tube over there? Destroy all synthetics? Nah man that´s a.... bad bad idea. Think of all the innocent Geth....and....WHAT THE HELL STOP SHOOTING! STOP IT! GODDAMN IT STOP I SAID!!! *explosion* NOOOOOOOOOOOO

:wizard:

*gasp* unghhh...ouch my head hurts. "THIS HURTS YOU"...."Not helping Harbinger....not helping"

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chidingewe8036 wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Screw Biofail, The Indoctrination Theory is True Bioware and haters can deny it, twist it, try and debunk it, hate it, love it, flip it, pat it and rub it down all you want. Don't tell me about that plot hole crap ME is full of those just read the novels then play the games or whatever. Bioware needs to take it, run with it, forget that artistic integrity bull, and tell the fans (those who believe in the theory that is) thank you for fixing our crap fest ending, and redeem themselves case closed.

Next order of business will be waking Shepard up, getting him out of that rubble and sticking a big universal reaper vaporizer bomb up Harbinger's metal butt and press the goodbye button.

The Galaxy and Shepard's surviving friends and Allies Celebrate, Shepard is a f*** bad A reaper killer, time to go make babies with your chosen love interest.........The End. Role Those Epic Credits with the Suicide Mission Theme then throw in some Mass Effect 1 M4 Faunts music BAAAM THERE YOU GO THE END!!!!!!

Oh does that sound to simple Bioware? hmmmm thats the freakin point lol

Also, that scene with the old man and the little boy at the end? WTF was that??? ROFL



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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

And after that, the kid can be seen at least twice next to Danger- or Caution-signs.


That can be attributed to random chance.  Him having his own appropriate warning label can't.

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Mr_Blue wrote...

Can't decide if genophage is the right choice? Doesn't matter, Wrex will never see Tuchanka again. 


Yeah what about little Mordin?
Or Tali's house?
Or my shepard and Liara's little blue kids?

We need an epilogue for these things :( 

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Mr_Blue wrote...

Can't decide if genophage is the right choice? Doesn't matter, Wrex will never see Tuchanka again. 


Yeah what about little Mordin?
Or Tali's house?
Or my shepard and Liara's little blue kids?

We need an epilogue for these things :( 



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llbountyhunter wrote...

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My idea about the collector base is this:

If you saved the base, you obviously thought we could learn something from it and you're more inclined to choose to use the reapers (control).
If you destroyed the base then you're obviously not wanting to have anything to do with the reapers and are more likely to destroy them.

Alternatively, if indoctrination has been ongoing, then by keeping the base you let Cerberus have more of the technology so it has a greater indoctrination affect. If you destroyed the base, less is about and so the indoctrination is less. When you storm through the base you are influenced by the tech.


this is kind of shown in the current endings of you have REALLY low EMS.

if you destroy the base in me2, your only option in me3 ending is destroy, if you keep it your only onption is control. (i think.... like 90% sure on this... might want to confirm though)


Oh I know. It's just some people are still unsure why you get these options. I was just saying what I thought the endings show :)

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Yeah, that one is weird.

I noticed that some warning labels throughout the game are UPSIDE DOWN.

Which is probably just due to someone incredibly sloppy in the team.


Yeah but if there's only one warning label in the entire game that looks like it's a brain damage warning, and it's next to the vent the kid was in, that's major evidence.  A vent shouldn't have a warning label in the first place because how the hell do you electrify a vent, but if it's unique to that spot then we can rule out model recycle.  Which means the developers intentionally placed a "mind/brain damage" warning next to Harby's apparition.


And after that, the kid can be seen at least twice next to Danger- or Caution-signs.


someone has a screenshot to believe to/confirm this??

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 Goddamn you Lexor you magnificent bastard...:(

Bit offtopic, but I just realized it was a desire to learn what happened later in a videogame thatgot me started on writing fan fiction some three years ago, much like all the debate and my desire for an ending.

Back then it was the Legnd of Spyro series which I fell in love with despite mediocre reviews and by the end of the third, a beautiful ending, but one that also left the future open, I picked up the pen (read keyboard) and started on what has become my greatest hobby ever (the total word count of my work since I started three years ago exceed the three Lord of the Rings books, not kidding) and covers a variety of stories, not just Legend of Spyro. 

This ending makes me want to pick p the keyboard and type out might happen later in accordance to this theory, just like those three years ago.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 11 avril 2012 - 11:34 .


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mrs.N7 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Yeah but if there's only one warning label in the entire game that looks like it's a brain damage warning, and it's next to the vent the kid was in, that's major evidence.  A vent shouldn't have a warning label in the first place because how the hell do you electrify a vent, but if it's unique to that spot then we can rule out model recycle.  Which means the developers intentionally placed a "mind/brain damage" warning next to Harby's apparition.


And after that, the kid can be seen at least twice next to Danger- or Caution-signs.


someone has a screenshot to believe to/confirm this??


From an old post:

obie191970 wrote...

Warning
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Caution
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Danger
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Just sayin...




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Hi, any news? :)

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captainbob8383 wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Yeah but if there's only one warning label in the entire game that looks like it's a brain damage warning, and it's next to the vent the kid was in, that's major evidence.  A vent shouldn't have a warning label in the first place because how the hell do you electrify a vent, but if it's unique to that spot then we can rule out model recycle.  Which means the developers intentionally placed a "mind/brain damage" warning next to Harby's apparition.


And after that, the kid can be seen at least twice next to Danger- or Caution-signs.


someone has a screenshot to believe to/confirm this??


From an old post:

obie191970 wrote...

Warning
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Caution
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Danger
Posted Image

Just sayin...







Not sure if thats a connection, or just an example of how many things can kill you in the future.

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Yeah, that one.
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Has anyone seen that one anywhere else in the game? I've been looking all over for it, seen the other labels dozens of times but not that one.

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Don't think it's being reused anywhere else. Also, why the hell would you get electrocuted by crawling into an airvent?

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Don't think it's being reused anywhere else. Also, why the hell would you get electrocuted by crawling into an airvent?


I think space magic can do everything:wizard:

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Ravel1992 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Don't think it's being reused anywhere else. Also, why the hell would you get electrocuted by crawling into an airvent?


I think space magic can do everything:wizard:


well, now that I think about it..
if there actually was some kind of electrical hazard in the vent...
how would the kid survive that scene? Because he obviously crawled even further into it.

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Ravel1992 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Don't think it's being reused anywhere else. Also, why the hell would you get electrocuted by crawling into an airvent?


I think space magic can do everything:wizard:


Except satisfy a fanbase.

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Rifneno wrote...

Ravel1992 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Don't think it's being reused anywhere else. Also, why the hell would you get electrocuted by crawling into an airvent?


I think space magic can do everything:wizard:


Except satisfy a fanbase.


In this case wizard probably is newbie.

Modifié par Ravel1992, 11 avril 2012 - 12:23 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Yeah, that one.
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Has anyone seen that one anywhere else in the game? I've been looking all over for it, seen the other labels dozens of times but not that one.


Since no one remembers that image being anywhere else in the game, anyone with the PC version gone and looked for that image on disc? We already found that the ending's were color coded, maybe the file name will be a hint? (Wishful thinking I know, like an indoctrination warning label, but hey)

#35019
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ean0611 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Yeah, that one.
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Has anyone seen that one anywhere else in the game? I've been looking all over for it, seen the other labels dozens of times but not that one.


Since no one remembers that image being anywhere else in the game, anyone with the PC version gone and looked for that image on disc? We already found that the ending's were color coded, maybe the file name will be a hint? (Wishful thinking I know, like an indoctrination warning label, but hey)


Lol imagine what would happen in this thread if someone decided to go after it and that texture turned out to be named "Harbinger_child_IndoctrinationWarning" or something

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ean0611 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Yeah, that one.
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Has anyone seen that one anywhere else in the game? I've been looking all over for it, seen the other labels dozens of times but not that one.


Since no one remembers that image being anywhere else in the game, anyone with the PC version gone and looked for that image on disc? We already found that the ending's were color coded, maybe the file name will be a hint? (Wishful thinking I know, like an indoctrination warning label, but hey)

 I think that is part of the texture itself.

Modifié par Mr_Blue, 11 avril 2012 - 12:30 .


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Mr_Blue wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Yeah, that one.
Posted Image

Has anyone seen that one anywhere else in the game? I've been looking all over for it, seen the other labels dozens of times but not that one.


Since no one remembers that image being anywhere else in the game, anyone with the PC version gone and looked for that image on disc? We already found that the ending's were color coded, maybe the file name will be a hint? (Wishful thinking I know, like an indoctrination warning label, but hey)

 I think that is part of the texture itself.


I've already checked in game files, if I remember correcly the warning sign is in one of the prologue package (file "BIO_pro_something) and has its own asset, I believe it was simply named "warning" or something similar. I will check again tonight after work.

#35022
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Funny how the electrocution goes into the head. Like the game wants to say "It´s all in your head" ;)

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Turian baby :o it's sooo cute!
And is that a Quarian baby? (bottom right)

And I can't find Asari babies cute at all :( They're probably about 20 year old or something anyway.
They just look like blue babies (which they are lol).

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That sign is actually grouped together with all sorts of other signs in one big texture. Someone posted the image in another thread a good couple of days ago. Sorry I can't point you directly to that thread.

Imo, I'm afraid it was just a random sign glued on the wall to add detail to the scene.

Modifié par BogdanV, 11 avril 2012 - 12:53 .


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I somhow can't understand that Liara/Asari obsession at all ^^ but that's probably I never ever even thought about to have Liara as LI .