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[Voodzik]

I don't see why beings of light are so impossible. I mean I expect the answer to be sentient energy matrix or computer projection or something, but the idea that a sufficiently advanced or alien civilization lies hidden from the reapers isn't so far fetched. Neither is a being composed of energy.

[Skillz1986]

i've posted it before, but here it goes again. because it's funny like that

Favourite lines:
"you've got three choices. you blow up all the relays, stranding everybody, wherever they happen to be"
"i don't like that choice"
"i haven't got to the choices part yet!

And:
"...anyway you go, you are going to die horribly and painfully"

"of course i am. look, that much i kimd of expected. If you haven't noticed, i wasn't really born under a lucky star."

Gotta love it

[clennon8]

Re-posting:

clennon8 wrote...

There's a video where somebody did the flycam thing and looked all around the apparatus that Shepard shoots, and part of it does indeed look like concrete or a concrete-like substance. And there are grooves in the substance, which look like the grooves you can see in some of the prominent chunks in the Shep Breathes video. And did you notice that some of those chunks look like cut stone? With perpendicular flat planes? Not random rubble from a blown up street.

As for how Shepard can survive/breathe "in space." The Citadel is capable of generating force fields.

That thing you're identifying as "rebar" does not look like the rebar that appears elsewhere in the game. It looks virtually identical to the Citadel cables.

I know you guys don't want to hear it, but I'm telling you, that scene is on the Citadel. Doesn't mean you have to abandon the indoctrination angle entirely. I haven't. I still think indoctrination plays heavily into the end sequence.

Also, that curved, metallic object that you can sort of see in the pile of rubble could well be one of the braces that was holding the tube that Shepard shoots.  It isn't a car.

[Tirian Thorn]

Ok so if the “beings of light” have eluded the reapers for thousands of years that makes them ninjas.
And the reapers go around harvesting things and taking them – that makes them pirates.

That makes this just another senseless war between pirates and ninjas and it has to stop.

[Arian Dynas]

Voodzik wrote...

I don't see why beings of light are so impossible. I mean I expect the answer to be sentient energy matrix or computer projection or something, but the idea that a sufficiently advanced or alien civilization lies hidden from the reapers isn't so far fetched. Neither is a being composed of energy.

Personally, I can even stomach the ending at face value, if they make a few things clear, 

1. The Child is merely Harbinger, manipulating you and lying through his metallic teeth in an effort for self-preservation
2. Joker has SOME reason to pick up the ground crew in a hurry and get the hell out of doge, leaving Shepard (whom I supposed the assumption can be made that they think he's dead) behind.
3.They make the explanation for Synthesis clear
4. The Canon ending they pick to build the universe off in future games is either control or destroy and synthesis gets left as a "what if".
5. They make it clear that TIM's motivation changed as a result of indoctrination (the reapers trying desperately to make themselves understood in an attempt to warn Shepard off so they can live.)


It's not perfect or great, it's not even paticularly good, and is more of a let down than anything else, but at least it doesn't poison the other games, and does nothing to explain Shep's eyes, the dreamlike state the ending seems to be in, or indeed a bunch of other things, but at least it fills in the plot holes.

[Skillz1986]

EXACTLY!!! since everyone knows, ninjas ROCK!! right..hehe...ri...no? Sorry

[Vahilor]

And that is the reason a being of light (that is somwere mentioned in a planet description) to kill a whole franchise and make SHep look like an idiot, cause Space God being of light brat is the genourous hero of Mass effect that is sooo nice to let Shep chose in which way he wants to throw the galaxy into the acocalyps.. yay ... I allways wanted a crappy ending... to my most loved computer game... even FEAR 3 had a better ending.. and even that ending was crap.. ok the whole third game was crap..but... mehhh

*clings to IDT*

[monrapias]

yes, it is me3 related.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Just thought about something (in the shower, where you get the BEST ideas)
if you presume that Bioware planned all of this from the beginning..
then you could say that the actual Crucible is what the Mass Effect fans are going through right now. Because one of the definitions of "Crucible" is a very hard test of patience or faith.

[Vahilor]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Voodzik wrote...

I don't see why beings of light are so impossible. I mean I expect the answer to be sentient energy matrix or computer projection or something, but the idea that a sufficiently advanced or alien civilization lies hidden from the reapers isn't so far fetched. Neither is a being composed of energy.

Personally, I can even stomach the ending at face value, if they make a few things clear, 

1. The Child is merely Harbinger, manipulating you and lying through his metallic teeth in an effort for self-preservation
2. Joker has SOME reason to pick up the ground crew in a hurry and get the hell out of doge, leaving Shepard (whom I supposed the assumption can be made that they think he's dead) behind.
3.They make the explanation for Synthesis clear
4. The Canon ending they pick to build the universe off in future games is either control or destroy and synthesis gets left as a "what if".
5. They make it clear that TIM's motivation changed as a result of indoctrination (the reapers trying desperately to make themselves understood in an attempt to warn Shepard off so they can live.)


It's not perfect or great, it's not even paticularly good, and is more of a let down than anything else, but at least it doesn't poison the other games, and does nothing to explain Shep's eyes, the dreamlike state the ending seems to be in, or indeed a bunch of other things, but at least it fills in the plot holes.

1. Only possible if he trys to indoctrinate you.... otherwise it would make no sense at al.. cause if it is real.. he will be destroyed or controlled... Reapers don't want to be controlled...because they are supirior..

2. Joker would never run away... and he is fighting in Space.. he will never ever be able to get your crwe in time (not if you have the guys coming out of the Normandy in your crew at the beam)

3. Space Magic

4. only possible to some games bevore Shep or hundrets of years later or you keep to local clusters.. which would kill the thing Mass Effect is dedicated to.. like the Mass Relays..

5. TMI is indoctrinated.. that is even clear in the endings atm

I think stuff like this would open more plot wholes and don't even close them.

[Tirian Thorn]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just thought about something (in the shower, where you get the BEST ideas)
if you presume that Bioware planned all of this from the beginning..
then you could say that the actual Crucible is what the Mass Effect fans are going through right now. Because one of the definitions of "Crucible" is a very hard test of patience or faith.

Indeed. 

[Chief Commander]

What the hell??? Extended Cut DLC was planned all along!

@GambleMike "Extended cut was one of the things I alluded to." You mean when you talked about holding onto our save files, right?

@NBego and other dlc!

o.O

[schneeland]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just thought about something (in the shower, where you get the BEST ideas)
if you presume that Bioware planned all of this from the beginning..
then you could say that the actual Crucible is what the Mass Effect fans are going through right now. Because one of the definitions of "Crucible" is a very hard test of patience or faith.

Well, given their communication record in the past month, I'd say that this idea has the same appeal to me as walking towards a tube that is going to explode because you shoot it - it's possible, but not necessarily advised.

[Pascal219]

Pascal219 wrote...

 Check this out:

twitter.com/#%21/ReidBuckmaster/status/189589540233682944


They're already testing another DLC??!

Coud this mean it's true??

[Rifneno]

MothrascoolerthenGodzilla wrote...

It seems like there wouldn't be much concrete on the Citadel, I'll give ya that. But who the hell knows... My main point, is there are a ton of places BW can go to design their own unique ending while still keeping the main idea of IT intact.

I think people get sidetracked by one persons "vision" of the perfect theory. There's a ton of places they can go with it, but the main point that Shepard's was hallucinating at the end most likely from indoctrination attempts is what's important.

If BW wants to make it be the Citadel then the concrete can come from the some rubble that fell through the beam, or some other similar excuse. They can do a lot, but the main idea is was there halluciations caused by indoctrinations leaving everything after the beam subject to question, or was Shep fully alert and really encountered an AI that took the form of a star child that all evidence points to never existing.

Can? Sure. But we're (or at least I'm) talking about the likelihood. And it makes far more sense in IT for him to be in London than the Citadel. Especially since IT means that Bioware never brutally raped science and thus we have no reason to believe they'd do so by having Shepard survive that thermonuclear-level explosion.

Parabolee77 wrote...

I have been a long time lurker to this thread but have not posted often (or at all I don't recall), mainly because I read on my phone.

However several people have asked if someone could put together a comprehensive list of all the clues that have been brought to light so far.

I have taken it upon myself to undertake that task. My plan is for it to be an extremely thorough reference source for all elements of both the Indoctrination Theory and it's criticisms. Along with all the clues and related information from comments made by Bioware. It will source all it's information and include many images and links to related materials.

It probably will not be finished today but it is already well underway.

Just wanted to give people a heads up and something to look forward to. I should have the first version complete tomorrow and intend to keep it up to date and revised as need be.

Thanks and Hold the Line

Good to hear, and welcome to the thread. Err, at least posting to it. Need all the line holders we can get... too many people forgetting the mountain of bloody gloves in the actual game and losing hope over some vaguely worded comments as of late.

Voodzik wrote...

Just checking...you do know that if you got him in 2, he's running around down there and you have to catch him right? Or do you mean after you caught him? I'm pretty sure he makes squeaky noises when he's running around down there....

!!! OMG! That's what that was! I could've sworn I saw an interact circle a few times down there but only for a second... I thought it was a bug.

Arian Dynas wrote...

As for Merizan's post about Shep being on the citadel, if we take what she says as sacrosanct, then the person asking the question phrased it poorly, and Jessica meant that Shepard either won't realize they never got on the citadel, that the citadel is orbiting earth in peices right now, or perhaps, my theory, given the info from the Data Pad app, more than likely, Shep is on the Citadel being cared for at Huerta Memorial.

If we're saying that she is just speculating as a fan (which would invalidate some of her tweets that SUPPORT IT) then well, she's just looking at it wrong. Either way.

I'd like to restate what I said a few days ago regarding her tweets when she made one that simply made no sense.

Rifneno wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

I think many of you are jumping to conclusions. That tweet doesn't make sense. I think she mistyped it.

This is also a good possibility. Rannoch Reaper, what do you think of Jessica Merizan's tweets?

Reaper: IT IS NOT A THING YOU CAN COMPREHEND.

Thanks, Reaper. BTW, you might want to duck--opps too late.

There we have it folks, straight from the gaping maw of Cthulhu itself. Her tweets are not a thing you can comprehend.

Sire Styx wrote...

Foudn this on another fourm:
images.wryterra.com/images/shepeyes.png

Regarding shepard's eyes in control.
Not sure of the authencicit, erm, authicinuytyyt-

I'm not sure if it's real.

100% real. Shepard's eyes turn to TIM's Reaperized ones in both synthesis and control. Hard to see and you need still frames from a good video to be positive but it's definitely true.

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just thought about something (in the shower, where you get the BEST ideas)

That's why Traynor is on the Normandy. She helps FemShep... brainstorm.

[Reever]

I actually don´t really know if the Indoctrination Theory is to be preferred to the other endings...

Then it would mean that all the Sheps that choose one of the other endings fail....Meh.
As you have perhaps realized by now, I´m not that put off by the endings, but I want to see some logical issues sorted. And get more things clarified (I know, you guys hate that word ).

And I know, it could have been done better, but those guys must have had something in mind when they thought up these endings...

[FrozenDreamfall]

Guys made a very important discovery.Sorry if this was said in the thread and I lost it,it's moving very fast but in case it wasn't I just wrote a thing about it today http://social.biowar.../index/11300786 it shows a hell lot of proof for the IT and that the old man scene wasn't random at all.Please tell me what you think and if it has any importance.

[Rifneno]

BlueDemonX wrote...

I actually don´t really know if the Indoctrination Theory is to be preferred to the other endings...

Then it would mean that all the Sheps that choose one of the other endings fail....Meh.
As you have perhaps realized by now, I´m not that put off by the endings, but I want to see some logical issues sorted. And get more things clarified (I know, you guys hate that word ).

And I know, it could have been done better, but those guys must have had something in mind when they thought up these endings...

I don't know where people keep getting the idea that "choices matter" means "there are no wrong choices."  How is this different from getting a gameover because you got an arrow in the knee a bullet in the head?

[Pascal219]

twitter.com/#%21/GambleMike/status/187928555408211968 

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Pascal219 wrote...

twitter.com/#%21/GambleMike/status/187928555408211968 

durr all these tweets! Getting my hopes up, and then crushing them, and bringing them back to life!

[balance5050]

Rifneno wrote...

BlueDemonX wrote...

I actually don´t really know if the Indoctrination Theory is to be preferred to the other endings...

Then it would mean that all the Sheps that choose one of the other endings fail....Meh.
As you have perhaps realized by now, I´m not that put off by the endings, but I want to see some logical issues sorted. And get more things clarified (I know, you guys hate that word ).

And I know, it could have been done better, but those guys must have had something in mind when they thought up these endings...

I don't know where people keep getting the idea that "choices matter" means "there are no wrong choices."  How is this different from getting a gameover because you got an arrow in the knee a bullet in the head?

The weird thing is that there are apparently people who like control, synthesis, the endings at face value, so I think they're going to expand EVERY ending, including the "Shepard Alive" one 

[RoyalGambit]

Pascal219 wrote...

twitter.com/#%21/GambleMike/status/187928555408211968 

Hope... Rekindled..

[Galifreya]

BlueDemonX wrote...

I actually don´t really know if the Indoctrination Theory is to be preferred to the other endings...

Then it would mean that all the Sheps that choose one of the other endings fail....Meh.
As you have perhaps realized by now, I´m not that put off by the endings, but I want to see some logical issues sorted. And get more things clarified (I know, you guys hate that word ).

And I know, it could have been done better, but those guys must have had something in mind when they thought up these endings...

Yes. They did fail. Too bad they let that reaper child talk them out of their goal of destroying the monstrosities that are Reapers.

[Nauks]

RoyalGambit wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

twitter.com/#%21/GambleMike/status/187928555408211968 

Hope... Rekindled..

You know though... and I'd love to think positively.
But this may as well be hinting to some gay ass "retake Omega" DLC we can do with our auto-save back on the Normandy after recovering from the ending depression.

Modifié par Nauks, 11 avril 2012 - 09:25 .

[Hawk227]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

 Hawk227:

Actually the cables (if it is that) in the breath scene are clearly not reaper tech. The reaper cables have slightly different coloration and the pattern on them is circular with equal spacing between the circles. The cable in the breath scene however has a spiral design running along it.

Still I don't think it is cable at all, but a piece of metal. I argue this because the "cable" seems completely rigid in the scene and not like something supposed to bend. In fact I will g o check those metal spikes that is used to reinforce concrete to see if there is any connection.

Edit: Rebars (as I just found out the metal in concrete is called) defienetly has a spiral pattern on it, but can't be sure if it's the same without a picture to picture comparison, something I find incredibly difficult to set up on my iPad. Can someone else do this so we can get a final answer on the "cable." 

Even better do it with three pictures, one of Rebar's, one of reaper cables and one of the actual cable in the breath scene.

In advance thanks if someone does this.

I looked at it again, and I frankly disagree. If you look closely at the cable in the breath scene, it isn't fully rigid. It comes towards shepard and then in the middle starts bend more steeply down and towards shepards legs (it's pretty slight, and totally imperceptible in the darker images). This would be a reasonably natural position for a cable suspended over a piece of rubble. It's also not spiral got a spiral pattern. The only major difference is that it's shinier than most of the reaper cables in the game. I can't seem to post pictures, but I've got links to images/videos for support.

Also, it looks nothing like rebar.

manskeconstruction.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/istock_rebar6.266141545_std.jpg - Rebar

i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu288/nick_Crx/Untitled-157.png - Not very good image of reaper cables. breath scene

www.youtube.com/watch - Pause it at 19:31 for a nice, bright shot of the breath scene cable

www.youtube.com/watch - Pause it at 3:15 3:13 for a very good shot of Legion plugged into reaper device

Modifié par Hawk227, 11 avril 2012 - 09:31 .