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Asharad Hett

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Evo_9 wrote...

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Starkid said "You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want. Even you are partly synthetic." And EDI is part reaper Tech and 100% synthetic. WTH, Jessica?


Ever thought the catalyst might not be 100% honest? Why do you assume it cant manipulate/lie

  Actually, I consider the Catalyst to be the Antagonist of the saga, the being who has orchestrated slaughter for millions of years.  He is a vile creature, and I've never trusted him.  But unless IT is at least partly true, then Bioware wants you to believe Starkid. 


Gah, I'm so damn frustrated at Bioware!

Modifié par Asharad Hett, 11 avril 2012 - 10:58 .


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Wow, uh....so either Jessica is totally ignoring stuff in the game....or she's just trolling.

Y'know in her position, I'd be pretty tempted to start tweeting things like "The reapers were actually created by a terrible accident during the quest for the perfect taco."

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Gormane01 wrote...

blooregard wrote...

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Does this mean that we can NOW stop looking at what Jess says as fact? Not only will she give you hope at one point just to crush it into the dirt but it seems as though she doesn't really think about what she tweets or doesn't recall major details from the game/real life (the Normandy landing on atmosphereless desert land Mars or single mooned Earth)


I think its safe to assume most of Jess' tweets are from the stand point of a fan and only of a fan any info digging from her will result in confusion and contradiction.


I wonder whether that actually allows to still call her a real fan. It's really hard to miss that there's reaper tech in EDI - in particular, when you spent some time hanging around with other ME fans at the forums or on Twitter. Seems a bit like her job is mainly to look cute and keep people busy.




As big as EDI being made with reaper tech is in the story things ARE missable. The whole "I was made with Sovereign hardware" convo is easily missed if you don't talk to EDI much, and the stuff on TIM's space station while not missible gameplay wise is certainly missible through somebody talking or not paying attention.


I'll give her the benifit of the doubt but the sooner we stop asking her story questions the sooner things on here will be much better.


But EDI herself was made from the Alliance VI in Luna Base. Seems reasonable to say she wasn't really made from Reaper tech, just had a few bits in her.

It would be the same with the Geth, but GUARDIAN says that the Geth die to, and that Shep is partly synthetic, so if what she's saying is accurate, the kid is lying. I'm still confused about Shepard  waking up on the Citadel though, I just don't see how it's possible. I don't think she really knows anything and she is just saying the latest gossip.:bandit: 

Modifié par balance5050, 11 avril 2012 - 11:01 .


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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

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 car?


sorry, but my imagination can only make up things so far.

nah, don't see a car there, sorry.

At first I thought it looked like part of the beam/conduit, can't really say for sure with just the partial glance, but it definitley looks something...Reaper tech-like in my opinion.


It's the tube that held all the cables that hang over the destroy and control options.


Modifié par EpyonX3, 11 avril 2012 - 11:00 .


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Voodzik wrote...

Wow, uh....so either Jessica is totally ignoring stuff in the game....or she's just trolling.

Y'know in her position, I'd be pretty tempted to start tweeting things like "The reapers were actually created by a terrible accident during the quest for the perfect taco."


Can I trade in my ending for a perfect taco, then? ;)

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

Seriously, for those saying the things on Earth are cables, when the HELL are cables ever rigid and standing upright like that? They would be laying all over the place, not standing straight up. Look at the rebar, now look at the concrete affects near that rebar. Somebody posted a very good picture. It looks EXACTLY what we see in the ending. You can see smashed concrete everywhere on Earth and that exact texture is what we're seeing in the breath ending.

Who knows WHAT that metallic thing is, and personally it could be anything. I think people are paying too much attention to it. Could be anything.


When are cables rigid? When part of them is acted on by gravity. Like if it were hanging off of a piece of concrete rubble. Furthermore, it's not rigid in the end scene, it has a slight bend in it.

I don't get why people are so dismissive of this. It's the second most conspicous object in that scene, why put it in there and make it so eye catching if its nothing. It clearly resembles the reaper cables legion was hooked up to. Does that not imply indoctrination to you?

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Hey all of you that try to justify the Control and Synthesis endings are thinking to hard, they are the evil endings that the little boy reaper wanted you to pick. TIM wanted to Control them and it ultimately destroyed his mind, Saren wanted to join with them and you saw how that turned out, so come on stop trying to put all that philisophical evolutionary crap into Control and Synthesis they are what they are EVIL THE D*** REAPERS ARE EVIL THE LITTLE BOY REAPER WAS MANIPULATING SHEPARD. Even if you don't believe in IT pleeeease stop trying to justify Control and Synthesis Biofail screwed all of us, even the fans who want to see the ending as good it don't matter Biofail screwed us all darn it.

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It could be the tube. Doesn't look quite the same shape, but it could be. It could also be a car, or a million other things. It's smooth and seemingly metal, so it contrasts with the apparently concrete rubble. I dunno.

It's definitely a something, though, and an odd choice in a scene which is so deliberately vague as to setting.

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schneeland wrote...

Voodzik wrote...

Wow, uh....so either Jessica is totally ignoring stuff in the game....or she's just trolling.

Y'know in her position, I'd be pretty tempted to start tweeting things like "The reapers were actually created by a terrible accident during the quest for the perfect taco."


Can I trade in my ending for a perfect taco, then? ;)


Might be worth it,

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ITT People forget what rebar looks like.

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Voodzik wrote...

Wow, uh....so either Jessica is totally ignoring stuff in the game....or she's just trolling.

Y'know in her position, I'd be pretty tempted to start tweeting things like "The reapers were actually created by a terrible accident during the quest for the perfect taco."


Can I trade in my ending for a perfect taco, then? ;)  

Oh, my god, it's the master of the reapers! Run for your lives!

https://encrypted-tb...2iz0YYO67B-Pl0w

Anyway... I think that everyone on Bioware's HQ are smoking something... Toxic... Maybe glue, or... I don't know. 

Modifié par Hacedor1566, 11 avril 2012 - 11:07 .


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IronSabbath88

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Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?

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Forget Jessica she is obviously indoctrinated :P

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I think the I.T. may be at least partially true, but I have a feeling that it will be an example of the fans out writing the writers.

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?


LOL its not rebar! they dont look anything alike to the citadel cables.

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die

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Modifié par Evo_9, 11 avril 2012 - 11:14 .


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balance5050 wrote...

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I looked at it again, and I frankly disagree. If you look closely at the cable in the breath scene, it isn't fully rigid. It comes towards shepard and then in the middle starts bend more steeply down and towards shepards legs (it's pretty slight, and totally imperceptible in the darker images). This would be a reasonably natural position for a cable suspended over a piece of rubble. It's also not spiral got a spiral pattern. The only major difference is that it's shinier than most of the reaper cables in the game. I can't seem to post pictures, but I've got links to images/videos for support.

Also, it looks nothing like rebar.

manskeconstruction.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/istock_rebar6.266141545_std.jpg - Rebar

i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu288/nick_Crx/Untitled-157.png - Not very good image of reaper cables. breath scene

www.youtube.com/watch - Pause it at 19:31 for a nice, bright shot of the breath scene cable

www.youtube.com/watch - Pause it at 3:15 for a very good shot of Legion plugged into reaper device


Still up for debate imo. Could just be low res rebar.


Not to mention that not all rebar looks like the picture he posted. 

This rebar looks exactly like the kind we see in the breathe scene http://www.sammarcos...metal/rebar.jpg 

Modifié par Lenimph, 11 avril 2012 - 11:16 .


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Evo_9 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?


LOL its not rebar!

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die

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Come one do you realy think everythink is true because someone writes it on Twitter? Most peaople here don't give anything on her tweets.

Modifié par Rhonin87, 11 avril 2012 - 11:19 .


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Evo_9 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?


LOL its not rebar! they dont look anything alike to the citadel cables.

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die

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>Using that quote to debunk IT.
>Ignores other quotes supporting IT.
>mfw
>I have no face.

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Evo_9 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?


LOL its not rebar! they dont look anything alike to the citadel cables.

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die



I thought it was obvious.

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balance5050 wrote...

I think the I.T. may be at least partially true, but I have a feeling that it will be an example of the fans out writing the writers.


I still think that there's too many hints at indoctrination to ignore IT. However, I still have no freaking clue what's wrong with Bioware these days.

Modifié par schneeland, 11 avril 2012 - 11:17 .


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Evo_9 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?


LOL its not rebar! they dont look anything alike to the citadel cables.

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die

Posted Image


Nah, I'll keep believing.

Mostly cause it bugs you.

madbro?

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Rhonin87 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?


LOL its not rebar!

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die

Posted Image

Come one do you realy think everythink is true because someone writes it on Twitter? Most peaople here don't give anythink on her tweets.


Yet you guys want me to beleive that the citadel cable is rebar even though they look nothing alike. lol

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that does not mean anything, she probably does not even know what you are refering to or like all other Bioware people will not give you anything concrete.

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?


LOL its not rebar! they dont look anything alike to the citadel cables.

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die

Posted Image


Nah, I'll keep believing.

Mostly cause it bugs you.

madbro?


Its actually making me laugh you beleive in something so stupid

so keep it up, im bored here at work

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But if IT is untrue, then Bioware shouldn't have spent the time putting in all these clues and actually made a good game.
I mean, ME3 was good. But I've heard there were loads of bugs. And I've had my share of graphical bugs.


I personally have experienced only two bugs, one because my battery was running low, so there was some skipping, the other was getting stuck behind a character after moving to a bad place during a mission and getting trapped in one spot because of where I was standing, my fault really.

There's a lot of other thigns that annoyed me about this game.
Tali's face was lazy. Diana Allers was an unnecessary addition. You couldn't really speak to people (it was more like the Katsumi/Zaeed thing from ME2). None of your choices mattered. If you killed someone in a previous game, then the reapers essentially made a puppet for the hell of it (e.g. Rachni queen, Legion). They spent loads of time killing off characters and lying to us on twitter, which could have been put into making a good ending.


Won't diagree on Tali's face, but after so much build up/hype, could they REALLY make anything that would live up to it?

Allers... eh, I'll agree with you, to me she seems a vapid ****, but... ugh, she's like a fungus, she's kind of grown on me, besides, the idea of a embedded war correspondent is NOT a bad one. but...

All of your choices matter, Bioware says so, and they're right, if you chose not to do a characrer's loyalty mission, then your suituation is more difficult and they can die, depending on how you resolve a suitation the same thing happens, besides, if you were a Reaper and you had a chance to not only strike directly at Shepard's heart by hitting him with a puppet of a person HE killed, or failed, don't you think that would do something to his willpower? I'd say it would. Psychological warfare is something Reapers are VERY good at.

Also, point out one "lie" on twitter. Please do, I want to see one you can objectively point out as a lie.

The child in the dreams. Why? Who is he? Just because a child died, would Shepard start to break down? It was a lazy attempt at getting sympathy from the player. They might aswell have had a laser shooting an orphanage. You know, if they showed a dog getting lasered, I'd be more upset than some random child. But why not show Kaiden/Ashely in the dreams? It's more personal??


Going by IDT, the boy is Harbinger, manipulating Shepard, breaking down his will, trying to make him lose hope, ect. He gave a face to the people Shepard could not save, Harbinger constantly reminding him of it, that's aimed right at your balls man, pure psychological warfare.

The Kai lang guy. That seemed like a lazy attempt at making an enemy for us to hate. To be honest, he seemed like such a trivial character. The most irritating part was when he attacked on that Asari world. I kept shooting him in the head with a sniper rifle, while Tali's drone shot out rockets and Garrus calibrated. But using space magic, he just cowered behind a rock recharging his health, not actually attacking me. It seemed like they were artifically (?) trying to make a difficult enemy :S


Kai Leng is from the novels. He's supposed to be a hard son of a ****. He's basically the anti-Shepard. Didn't you read his dossier? Extensive synthetic implants, N7 graduate, served with honors, spent time as a mercenary/pirate, ect.

Harbinger appeared for like, 5 seconds. It was if, 5 minutes before release, they went "oh crap, we've forgotten to add the main enemy in!"
"Quick, just stick a random reaper in and call it Harbinger!"


See my theory on where Harbinger is involved.

And the ending was awful. But the Normandy scene afterwards really irrtated me, how your squad mates teleported using space magic. Could they have not spent 5 minutes checking to see if the squadmates you had with you on the ground came out the Normandy? It shouldn't have taken too long for them to see this and correct it.
The only explanation I can think of is this:
www.youtube.com/watch
and your squadmates decided to call joker for a pick up and fly off.


They ARE on record as having said "Well if that's the case, I wouldn't trust that then." on the offical twitter when asked about the teleporting.

Day one DLC with an important character. That annoyed me. I bought it, but it still annoyed me.
It's as if they planned to chop out something that good ME fans would like. It just makes me wonder if other stuff has been cut for the sake of money. Which could explain some plotholes ingame.


Yes, Javik is important. But he's not necessary for understanding to the story, much like they advertised. Javik is as extensive as he is because HE was the Catalyst in an earlier draft. That storyline has since been changed, obviously. And for the most part, the reason he cost money imo is because since they included him in the Collector's Edition, he was intended to be something special for the people who bought the CE.


A lot of points indicate a rushed, lazy game. And I really don't want to think that, because I love the ME series. I can forgive any of these points, especially the ones which are contradicted by IT, if bioware have always intended IT and release DLC with IT in it. I will take back everything negative I've said and appologise if IT is true (and is actually added in a good non-lazy way that makes sense).


Name one.

Seriously, other than the ending, which clearly is more than it seems, name one single, solitary piece of evidence that the game was rushed. Last I checked it was actually DELAYED 3 months from the original release date (though that also could have been part of EA not wanting to compete with Skyrim.)