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Voodzik

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@Evo 9: We talked about that this morning, read back a few pages.

Also a thought; maybe EDI can survive losing her reaper tech?

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schneeland wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I think the I.T. may be at least partially true, but I have a feeling that it will be an example of the fans out writing the writers.


I still think that there's too many hints at indoctrination to ignore IT. However, I still have no freaking clue what's wrong with Bioware these days.


Intoxication Theory is the only true answer.

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What has Shepard waking up on the citadel to do with IT being realistic or not?

It's quite likely that indoctrinated Shep stumbled into that beam...

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Evo_9 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?


LOL its not rebar! they dont look anything alike to the citadel cables.

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die

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Nah, I'll keep believing.

Mostly cause it bugs you.

madbro?


Its actually making me laugh you beleive in something so stupid

so keep it up, im bored here at work


Oh lawdy lawdy. Posts like this make me laugh even harder than the zealots on either side of the argument.

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Bioware just give the fans some pen and paper and let us do this for you, we will let you know when your REAL TRUE EPIC ENDING IS DONE then you can add it in, reedem yourselves, and become an epic company again then in the new ending credits you can give all the credit to your loyal fans ok? ok

oh and tell EA to go take a swim in the river, fly a kite, jump in a lake, etc. ok? thanks

Sincerely,
Your LOYAL Mass Effect Fans :)

#35356
Reptilian Rob

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Wow, this keeps getting better and better.

They should just retcon the entire thing on ****ing Twitter.

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Sorry if it's been asked (probably has) but when did IT thread get the "Bioware comment" stamp??

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Wow, this keeps getting better and better.

They should just retcon the entire thing on ****ing Twitter.



Actually I kinda like that idea... Emily Wong's twitter arc was epic.  :P

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Slaiyer wrote...

Sorry if it's been asked (probably has) but when did IT thread get the "Bioware comment" stamp??

Probably some anti-IT person throwing a hissy fit and getting banned or some such.

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I've had no bug issues in ME3.

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Reptilian Rob

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Lenimph wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Wow, this keeps getting better and better.

They should just retcon the entire thing on ****ing Twitter.



Actually I kinda like that idea... Emily Wong's twitter arc was epic.  :P

Except it should have been IN GAME rather than an impersonalized Tweet. 

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Remember How Michel Gamble (or was it Mac Walters?) said that they don't wan't to talk about I.T. because it would be "prescriptive" of the content, why is she being so prescriptive with her latest batch of tweets? She has joined Bioware in the art of misdirection. Saying flat out that Shep is on the Citadel would be pretty "prescriptive" in my opinion, unless it really doesn't have anything to do with the DLC.

So...

A. Bioware can't be "prescriptive" about the ending.

B. She has started talking A LOT about the ending.

C. She seemingly has drifted her opinion away from I.T. more or less.

Conclusion, she basically is avoiding hints that lead directly to Shepard being indoctrinated, but still hinting that something isn't right.

Modifié par balance5050, 11 avril 2012 - 11:33 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

I can't deny this is present and all, and it absolutely is weird and solid proof of some connection between TIM and Shepard in those endings, but can someone please show me that supposedly, Saren and the Husks share the same eyes? It's not much proof it we can't connect it to the Reapers.


Husk eyes aren't the same. Saren's eyes were similar but different. Personally I think that's just because turian eyes look much different than human ones regardless. But the real proof is in the comics, unfortunately. It shows TIM (going by his real name, Jack Harper, at the time) gets the eyes from a Reaper artifact he encountered during the First Contact War. That same artifact is generally accepted as the reason he's indoctrinated now.

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's the tube that held all the cables that hang over the destroy and control options.



All while you write off stuff that wasn't found with flycam as "model recycling". Laughable. Just laughable.

Evo_9 wrote...

LOL its not rebar! they dont look anything alike to the citadel cables.

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die


People like this are why a thousand or so pages back, some posters that actually read what's going on wanted to exodus to a private board.

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Bioware under the influence of Harbinger says to their fans - "THIS HURTS YOU"

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Nauks wrote...

Slaiyer wrote...

Sorry if it's been asked (probably has) but when did IT thread get the "Bioware comment" stamp??

Probably some anti-IT person throwing a hissy fit and getting banned or some such.


you guys do know you can click on the Bioware stamp to only show the Bioware comments and OP right?

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Arcadian Legend wrote...

schneeland wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I think the I.T. may be at least partially true, but I have a feeling that it will be an example of the fans out writing the writers.


I still think that there's too many hints at indoctrination to ignore IT. However, I still have no freaking clue what's wrong with Bioware these days.


Intoxication Theory is the only true answer.


This somehow conjures the image of Casey Hudson and Mat Walters in my mind, sitting in the room, going like

Casey: "That was the best stuff I had in a while. But let's get onto that Mass Effect ending, we promised the team to present our idea tomorrow."
Mat: "Well. Ok. But let's leave out the rainbow coloured unicorns. They only talk nonsense."
Casey: "You're sure? Because I like the unicorns."
Mat: "No unicorns. Not in this game. We can do it for Dragon Age 3."
Casey: "Ok. What about a ghost then. You know, I love ghosts."
Mat: "Ghosts? That's so 90s. But ok. You're the boss. But let's use a child ghost. You know, like Casper. I liked Casper when I was young."
...

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 More tweets:

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190206668699746306

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190207741913071616

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190211233809571841

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190211317553045504

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Slaiyer wrote...

Sorry if it's been asked (probably has) but when did IT thread get the "Bioware comment" stamp??


http://social.biowar...ex/9727423&lf=8 

#35369
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SimonTheFrog wrote...

What has Shepard waking up on the citadel to do with IT being realistic or not?

It's quite likely that indoctrinated Shep stumbled into that beam...


That is a good point.

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Pascal219 wrote...

 More tweets:

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190206668699746306

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190207741913071616

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190211233809571841

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190211317553045504

So, Legion died for nothing then?

THE ****!?

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Except it should have been IN GAME rather than an impersonalized Tweet. 


Now I'm not particularly fond of twitter but given its presence in journalism today I felt it was very suiting for Emily Wong to go out that way.  It was hardly impersonalized... how often do we use instand text messaging to communicate with people everyday? I know I do everyday to my best friends.  It's just as viable as a communication then anything else.   Maybe I felt it was even closer to home for me because I live in Los Angeles and I was getting all the location drops she was mentioning...

It made me get teary eyed.... It was certainly the best thing I've ever scene on twitter.   


Also about Jessica's tweets... I just think its funny once she posts something that hurts IT the retakers are like OMG LOOK AT WHAT SHE SAID after they completely dismissed her before... 

Modifié par Lenimph, 11 avril 2012 - 11:43 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I can't deny this is present and all, and it absolutely is weird and solid proof of some connection between TIM and Shepard in those endings, but can someone please show me that supposedly, Saren and the Husks share the same eyes? It's not much proof it we can't connect it to the Reapers.


Husk eyes aren't the same. Saren's eyes were similar but different. Personally I think that's just because turian eyes look much different than human ones regardless. But the real proof is in the comics, unfortunately. It shows TIM (going by his real name, Jack Harper, at the time) gets the eyes from a Reaper artifact he encountered during the First Contact War. That same artifact is generally accepted as the reason he's indoctrinated now.

EpyonX3 wrote...

It's the tube that held all the cables that hang over the destroy and control options.



All while you write off stuff that wasn't found with flycam as "model recycling". Laughable. Just laughable.

Evo_9 wrote...

LOL its not rebar! they dont look anything alike to the citadel cables.

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die


People like this are why a thousand or so pages back, some posters that actually read what's going on wanted to exodus to a private board.


Sooo... a connection between TIM's eyes and the Reapers then, good. Solid enough for me.

The other thing btw, the bodies in the start area, I've seen that they're all of Alenko and Williams, each with Jenkins face, but someone claimed this was a re-use from the Collector Ship, checked the original and could see some similarities, but could we get someone to dissect that model and see if it's diffrent?

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Cucobr wrote...
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Starkid: "The Crucible has altered my function. I can't proceed. I can only guide you in it's use. It's energy can be released as a destructive force. Organics will prevail at our expense. All synthetic life will succumb. As will much of the technology your kind rely on. Including the relays you depend upon."

In ME2 it is stated she WAS created from Reaper tech.
Jesus, do these people even play their own game?

From what I can tell, she's BASED off Reaper Tech, just like every Mass Effect emitter in the Milky Way, but she isn't actually MADE using Reaper Tech, and has no indoctrination signal, or any of the earmarks of true Reaper tech.
Also, I'll reiterate since it seems to keep eluding everyone.
IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT THE KID CAN LIE.
(also for the record, I like Task Manager for a name, CTRL-ALT-DEL!)

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Bioware just give the fans some pen and paper and let us do this for you, we will let you know when your REAL TRUE EPIC ENDING IS DONE then you can add it in, reedem yourselves, and become an epic company again then in the new ending credits you can give all the credit to your loyal fans ok? ok

oh and tell EA to go take a swim in the river, fly a kite, jump in a lake, etc. ok? thanks

Sincerely,
Your LOYAL Mass Effect Fans :)

 

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/1313#11127624

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you know what guys? if Bioware had given us DLC for Ashley and Liara to join our squad in Mass Effect 2 I would have never played ME3 to be honest even before knowing all this current crap ola, I basically created my own ME3 story from where ME2 left off, oh and my surviving team actually all rejoined the normandy none of this "i can't join you because I have students, I am having a baby, i need to hide my sister, I am having nightmares, i have to work on the reaper superweapon crap. That is just Bioware's cryptic way of saying "yeah our resources sucked oh and that little EA factor"

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?


It's not rebar. We've seen those cabels before time and time again.

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chidingewe8036 wrote...

you know what guys? if Bioware had given us DLC for Ashley and Liara to join our squad in Mass Effect 2 I would have never played ME3 to be honest even before knowing all this current crap ola, I basically created my own ME3 story from where ME2 left off, oh and my surviving team actually all rejoined the normandy none of this "i can't join you because I have students, I am having a baby, i need to hide my sister, I am having nightmares, i have to work on the reaper superweapon crap. That is just Bioware's cryptic way of saying "yeah our resources sucked oh and that little EA factor"


Jacob wants to be a responsible father.
Jack wants to be a responsible teacher.
Miranda wants to be a responsible sister.
Kasumi wants to not die.

What have you got against responsibility?