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[Cucobr]

Guys guys guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Read this: http://social.biowar...7660/1#11307991


WOOOOOOWWW


=O


unbelievable.... just unbelievable

[Dendio1]

Heres what to do. Click this link. Watch the OP's video. Emerge with a better understanding of how feasible it is to turn this terrible ending into a better one. Then give the OP praise for a job well done.
http://social.biowar...ndex/11231305/1

Modifié par Dendio1, 12 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?

It's not rebar. We've seen those cabels before time and time again.

Enough with the rebar, those cables appear on Earth to. The Concrete Looks like it's on Earth so that's what I'm going with.

Stop posting that, it only covers a few bits of what I.T. is based on... nothing conclusive...  it still looked like Earth rubble.

It's not meant to be. However, it matches the rubble to the citadel. If you don't want to believe that, you don't have to reply, it's cool to just disagree.

LOL! What rubble on the citadel? I've only seen rubble on Earth, Citadel is all shiny, not like concrete, If he's in the oldest most untouched part, it would be made by the resiliant material it talks about in the codex. If he is on the Citadel then that's horrible writing and I still substitute I.T.... BECAUSE IT'S BETTER. And I would rather have good writing rather than beleive Shepard could survive anywhere near the Crucible blowing up. The explosion of the Crucible blowing up has got to be just crazy.

We agree to disagree. Would you say that's fair?

Fair enough, I do that with FOX News all the time.

[ToughKiller Ham]

Ive read this thread from around page 300 and I cant recall if anyone has stated this:

Shepard's eyes have the same look as Saren's and TIM's. He's had them since Cerberus rebuilt him, but you cant see them if you take the Paragon path or heal his facial scarring.

I went full Renegade on my last playthrough of ME2 (because I love being the Clint Eastwood of space) and I noticed toward the middle of the game where the Renegade bar is half full and Shep's eyes start really glowing you can clearly see the triangular formation like TIMs and Sarens eyes.

I dont remember if anyone found any correlation to this and the Synth/Control endings but I though Id share it.

[D.Sharrah]

I have seen many arguements for the veracity of the indoctrination theory, but is there a more simplistic one than looking at one of the themes that continued to persist through all three games. That theme being that Shepard was a mirror to Saren.

In Mass Effect 1, this is more subtly done through out the game. The best example is the opportunity that is presented with the Rachni Queen (saving her can bring a very powerful ally into the fold, but has enourmous amount of risk associated).

In Mass Effect 2, you start to see that Shepard is being given the choice to stry further down the same path once travelled by Saren. This can be seen in two major ways. The first is through the cybernetic implants that were necessary to rebuild Shepard. And the second is the opportunity gain the same allies that you once fought as a part of Saren's army (the Geth and the Krogan).

So...is it really that much of a stretch of the imagination to believe that in Mass Effect 3 we would continue to see this mirrored affect in play? I think that the very nature of indoctrination lends itself to being the last dot that connects these two iconic figures in the Mass Effect Universe. And how ultimately by showing us that you can arrive at the same destination with two different but converging paths, and therefore potentially have drastically different outcomes. It is in the last statement that lies the biggest importance. To truly complete this over arching theme that has been persistent in all three games and show "the mirror"; I think that it is important to have Shepard not only face indoctrination but come to some resolution against it.

Now for my playthroughs (typically paragon, with a smidge of renegade when absolutely necessary), that would have Shepard overcoming indoctrination (somehow) and showing "the mirror" as more of a ying-yang relationship.

Just looking at the potential within this theme, does it make indoctrination more plausible?

[Dendio1]

Dendio1 wrote...

Heres what to do. Click this link. Watch the OP's video. Emerge with a better understanding of how feasible it is to turn this terrible ending into a better one. Then give the OP praise for a job well done.
http://social.biowar...ndex/11231305/1

Check it out guys. The mans work is amazing

[balance5050]

ToughKiller Ham wrote...

Ive read this thread from around page 300 and I cant recall if anyone has stated this:

Shepard's eyes have the same look as Saren's and TIM's. He's had them since Cerberus rebuilt him, but you cant see them if you take the Paragon path or heal his facial scarring.

I went full Renegade on my last playthrough of ME2 (because I love being the Clint Eastwood of space) and I noticed toward the middle of the game where the Renegade bar is half full and Shep's eyes start really glowing you can clearly see the triangular formation like TIMs and Sarens eyes.

I dont remember if anyone found any correlation to this and the Synth/Control endings but I though Id share it.

Literally one page back dude.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

I'm gonna repost this since no one seemed to take notice on last page.

 I have some proof that it is not a reaper cable.

Reaper cables have a circular pattern with each circle completing itself and spaced evenly apart.

The "cable" we see in the breathing scene has a spiral pattern running the length of it. Same or at least similar spiral pattern can be found on Rebar.

It subtle but if someone could bring up an image of a reaper cable and the "cable" from the breathing scene for a pic to pic comparison it becomes obvious. Can't do it myself sadly as it takes a small millennia for my iPad to load each page.
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[ToughKiller Ham]

balance5050 wrote...

ToughKiller Ham wrote...

Ive read this thread from around page 300 and I cant recall if anyone has stated this:

Shepard's eyes have the same look as Saren's and TIM's. He's had them since Cerberus rebuilt him, but you cant see them if you take the Paragon path or heal his facial scarring.

I went full Renegade on my last playthrough of ME2 (because I love being the Clint Eastwood of space) and I noticed toward the middle of the game where the Renegade bar is half full and Shep's eyes start really glowing you can clearly see the triangular formation like TIMs and Sarens eyes.

I dont remember if anyone found any correlation to this and the Synth/Control endings but I though Id share it.

Literally one page back dude.

Crap. Thats what I get for just lurking. Thanks Ill read that now.

[NoSpin]

Evo_9 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Has anyone considered that rebar can be bent and manipulated?

LOL its not rebar! they dont look anything alike to the citadel cables.

Hopefully this will put an end to the indoctrination theory! Please....let it die

Poor Jessica is doing her best to interact with the fans. She is not in the writers room, and even if she knew what happened she would not be telling. Because it is Bioware policy to not say anything right now....

[Sire Styx]

Arian Dynas wrote...

You have to bear in mind that I support IT and don't get me wrong, I love the game. However, I was writing that from the point of view that IT is wrong. I've got no definite evidence, because it's all feeling. I'm just refering to parts that seem odd and stupid without IT. I'm also mainly talking about the ending, because that's when the majority of plotholes are introduced. I feel that without IT, you can't really explain what happens, unless you take the view that they got lazy/stupid near the end. I'll try and address what you said though, because I get annoyed with trolls coming on here, saying IT is false, then flying off without any evidence lol, and it would by hypocritical of me to do the same.

The Tali face thing, to me, just indicates a rushed job. Or at the very least, someone who doesn't care. It's a royalty-free image or something, so it's essentially some random woman. That isn't as bad in itself, but in kinda contradicts what's alread been said, that Quarians wouldn't be able to take off their suits on Rannoch for a while or something. The worst thing I thought, was knacking up her hand. It looked fairly sloppy. I liked the overall idea though.
Another thing that I think may have been rushed/lazy is the fact that the ending is very difficult to explain logically with ingame evidence. It's as if they forgot/didn't have time to include evidence/remove old evidence. If the ending was explained ingame then there wouldn't be such an issue about the ending. The fact that there was no explanation of events after the ending made it seem like they ran out of time/just didn't bother to write anything.
I don't know if I'm mistaken or not, but there seemed to be fewer side missions this time. Well, there were loads of fetch-type quests, but I can't really remember many ones where you actually visit a new planet and fight people (I may have just missed them though).
There doesn't seem to be as many types of enemy group to fight this time, and they seem to have counterparts in other groups. Just seems a little copy/paste.
And disregarding choices in previous games. Like, if you let the rachni queen live or die, a queen appeared in this game. I know the eventual outcomes are different, but it's really just a case of numbers for your EMS. I know it'd probably be difficult for them to implement and entirely new mission depending on your choices, but it does just seem like they haven't tried.


But about the lies. I don't know any links atm, because I haven't taken a record (you can make of that what you will, lol), but I'm refering to the things which contradict the game, or contradict other tweets. Not so much the tweets, but I was expecting a widely diverging game. I was led to expect that everything I did would mean something, but many things all just led to the same outcome, with the only real effect seen being a change in EMS.

So I hope I've answered everything

Modifié par Sire Styx, 12 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[UrgedDuke]

How about this:

It was clear during the Arrival that the Reapers wanted Shepard alive to possibly manipulate him. This  can be seen when kenson and her indoctrinated crew spare Shepard and try to sedate him until the Reapers arrive. My proposal is that Shepard was meant to break of of the station to prove to himself that he was alright. Shepard was also meant to travel all over the galaxy to unite the races against the Reapers. Shepard brings all of the races into a one location (Earth) to fight the Reapers. By doing this Shepard is fulfilling the Reapers plans because he has brought all the threats of the Reapers to a location where they can be destroyed in a single battle. I also think that the Crucible is likely a giant Reaper Trojan Horse and is part of the trap. If you think about it, it is unwise to think that the Reapers didn't know about the Crucible. The origins of the Crucible have been long lost, it is very possible that the Reapers started it. Even if the Reapers didn't start the Crucible Idea, they could of easily sabotaged it. Think of all the indoctrinated hands that have touched those plans like TIM the Reapers must have definitely tampered with it. All of this above shows that all of the events of ME3 could have be part of the Reapers' plans, and Shepard fulfilled them without even knowing it.

Anyway just wanted to throw that idea out there. I don't necessarily believe this theory, it is just a possibility I thought of. I still fully support the IT.

Modifié par UrgedDuke, 12 avril 2012 - 12:53 .

[Arian Dynas]

Asharad Hett wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Though, right now the only thing currently giving me pause to call this confirmed is the fact that in ME2, if you went full Renegade without healing your scars, that your eyes would become red versions of TIMs with the pattern inverted. Any connections maybe? Or could it just be the hallmarks of artificial eyes?

NOTE:  These are ME3 eyes

Unfortunately, I don't know what to take away from this, though I do suppose that eliminates the "TIM eyes are just the covering installed by the surgurey being worn away" theory

[Hawk227]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

I'm gonna repost this since no one seemed to take notice on last page.

 I have some proof that it is not a reaper cable.

Reaper cables have a circular pattern with each circle completing itself and spaced evenly apart.

The "cable" we see in the breathing scene has a spiral pattern running the length of it. Same or at least similar spiral pattern can be found on Rebar.

It subtle but if someone could bring up an image of a reaper cable and the "cable" from the breathing scene for a pic to pic comparison it becomes obvious. Can't do it myself sadly as it takes a small millennia for my iPad to load each page.
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I addressed this when you first responded to me back on 1411, but I'll do it again. The pattern is NOT spiral. the cable is tilted slightly towards the camera so you can see a little of the back edge of the brighter segments.

It's totally reaper cable. Unlike all those people that think it proves shepard woke up on the citadel, I think it supports IT. Those cables were prominently seen around Legion and Rachni Queen when we found them, they are associated with indoctrination. It's not the best evidence ever, but it supports IT better than if it were rebar. The concrete and implausability of surviving the epicenter of the citadel explosion already rules out Shepard awaking on Citadel.

For a better image (sorry I can't post pics either) go to 19:30 in the acayvos video:

www.youtube.com/watch

[Golferguy758]

ToughKiller Ham wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

ToughKiller Ham wrote...

Ive read this thread from around page 300 and I cant recall if anyone has stated this:

Shepard's eyes have the same look as Saren's and TIM's. He's had them since Cerberus rebuilt him, but you cant see them if you take the Paragon path or heal his facial scarring.

I went full Renegade on my last playthrough of ME2 (because I love being the Clint Eastwood of space) and I noticed toward the middle of the game where the Renegade bar is half full and Shep's eyes start really glowing you can clearly see the triangular formation like TIMs and Sarens eyes.

I dont remember if anyone found any correlation to this and the Synth/Control endings but I though Id share it.

Literally one page back dude.

Crap. Thats what I get for just lurking. Thanks Ill read that now.

I will point out that the pattern is upside down if you are renegade. The two "dots" are on the upper area of the eye if you are renegade. However, TIM's two "dots" are on the lower level of the eye and he is indoctrinated. 

The big thing to point out is that when you choose control or synth shep's eyes turn into TIM's with both dots on the lower side. And we know that TIM got his eyes from exposure to the reaper device way back when, AKA when his indoctrination first began

So obviously the only conclusion to draw from this is...

Shepard's eyes rolled over in his head from the utter stupidity of him thinking that space magic could possibly work and made it so the "dots" are on the lower level 

[Sire Styx]

Oh my word everyone:

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190236984361488384


twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190240846103322624

She hasn't denied it! It must be true
Lol

Modifié par Sire Styx, 12 avril 2012 - 01:01 .

[Golferguy758]

Sire Styx wrote...

Oh my word everyone:

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190236984361488384


twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/190240846103322624

She hasn't denied it! It must be true
Lol

Second one.

Someone should ask if that would make Harby actually have a line instead of a 15second caemo

[Nauks]

UrgedDuke wrote...

How about this:

It was clear during the Arrival that the Reapers wanted Shepard alive to possibly manipulate him. This  can be seen when kenson and her indoctrinated crew spare Shepard and try to sedate him until the Reapers arrive. My proposal is that Shepard was meant to break of of the station to prove to himself that he was alright. Shepard was also meant to travel all over the galaxy to unite the races against the Reapers. Shepard brings all of the races into a one location (Earth) to fight the Reapers. By doing this Shepard is fulfilling the Reapers plans because he has brought all the threats of the Reapers to a location where they can be destroyed in a single battle. I also think that the Crucible is likely a giant Reaper Trojan Horse and is part of the trap. If you think about it, it is unwise to think that the Reapers didn't know about the Crucible. The origins of the Crucible have been long lost, it is very possible that the Reapers started it. Even if the Reapers didn't start the Crucible Idea, they could of easily sabotaged it. Think of all the indoctrinated hands that have touched those plans like TIM the Reapers must have definitely tampered with it. All of this above shows that all of the events of ME3 could have be part of the Reapers' plans, and Shepard fulfilled them without even knowing it.

Anyway just wanted to throw that idea out there. I don't necessarily believe this theory, it is just a possibility I thought of. I still fully support the IT.

Agreed, the Crucible getting built at all without indoctrinated saboteurs is hard to swallow, but the Reapers actually failing to defend the Citadel when it gets hooked up would require too much suspended disbelief. (which only actually happens during the Citadel/final indoc sequence as I'm sure has been pointed out here before).

Dunno bout the Hacket part, sounds plausible enough when the facts are laid out like this though.

Modifié par Nauks, 12 avril 2012 - 01:11 .

[Arian Dynas]

Sire Styx wrote...
The Tali face thing, to me, just indicates a rushed job. Or at the very least, someone who doesn't care. It's a royalty-free image or something, so it's essentially some random woman. That isn't as bad in itself, but in kinda contradicts what's alread been said, that Quarians wouldn't be able to take off their suits on Rannoch for a while or something. The worst thing I thought, was knacking up her hand. It looked fairly sloppy. I liked the overall idea though.

Oh, I won't disagree, it's as lazy as all hell, if you're gonna just shoop something, then could have at least taken the decency to use one of the peices of fanart out there that we see. But you can't deny, no matter what they did, they knew they couldn't live up to expectations.

Another thing that I think may have been rushed/lazy is the fact that the ending is very difficult to explain logically with ingame evidence. It's as if they forgot/didn't have time to include evidence/remove old evidence. If the ending was explained ingame then there wouldn't be such an issue about the ending. The fact that there was no explanation of events after the ending made it seem like they ran out of time/just didn't bother to write anything.
I don't know if I'm mistaken or not, but there seemed to be fewer side missions this time. Well, there were loads of fetch-type quests, but I can't really remember many ones where you actually visit a new planet and fight people (I may have just missed them though).

 

Yeah, there were less n7 quests, but at least they had a purpose/story arc contained within them. in ME2, I could only call 3 or so of them ACTUAL storylines. And personally, I have no real problem with less piddly fetch quests. Besides, most of them are just "I scan planet here and bring back to some putz on the citadel".

There doesn't seem to be as many types of enemy group to fight this time, and they seem to have counterparts in other groups. Just seems a little copy/paste.

Because logically, everyone who's anyone (Eclipse, Blue Suns, Blood Pack, Krogan, Generic Mercenaries, Shadow Broker Agents ect.) is on YOUR side this time, fighting for their lives. A war for survivial does funny things to people. Though I will admit a disappointment at a complete lack of Varren in ME3.

And disregarding choices in previous games. Like, if you let the rachni queen live or die, a queen appeared in this game. I know the eventual outcomes are different, but it's really just a case of numbers for your EMS.

That we know of. Though last I checked, unless you saved the Rachni Queen on Noveria, Grunt dies buying you time.

I know it'd probably be difficult for them to implement and entirely new mission depending on your choices, but it does just seem like they haven't tried.

It's exclusively so teh n00bs won't get left out. That's not laziness, it's consideration for the customer base they want to help welcome in.

But about the lies. I don't know any links atm, because I haven't taken a record (you can make of that what you will, lol), but I'm refering to the things which contradict the game, or contradict other tweets. Not so much the tweets, but I was expecting a widely diverging game. I was led to expect that everything I did would mean something, but many things all just led to the same outcome, with the only real effect seen being a change in EMS.

So I hope I've answered everything

Really the only contradicting tweets we keep seeing come from Jessica, and I have no idea why she does, either she is trying to commiserate with each person on an individual level, is acting like the fangirl she is and making assumptions, or if she is in fact, Tyler Durden.

As for changing EMS, I have no problems, in the event that they stick in cinematics of glorious Krogan charges, supported by Rachni warriors and mighty Asari Justicars acting as Biotic artillery then I'd be happy as a pig in mud, but until then, just reading the info and stories that goes with the tactical info is satisfying enough for me.

UrgedDuke wrote...

How about this:

It was clear during the Arrival that the Reapers wanted Shepard alive to possibly manipulate him. This  can be seen when kenson and her indoctrinated crew spare Shepard and try to sedate him until the Reapers arrive. My proposal is that Shepard was meant to break of of the station to prove to himself that he was alright. Shepard was also meant to travel all over the galaxy to unite the races against the Reapers. Shepard brings all of the races into a one location (Earth) to fight the Reapers. By doing this Shepard is fulfilling the Reapers plans because he has brought all the threats of the Reapers to a location where they can be destroyed in a single battle. I also think that the Crucible is likely a giant Reaper Trojan Horse and is part of the trap. If you think about it, it is unwise to think that the Reapers didn't know about the Crucible. The origins of the Crucible have been long lost, it is very possible that the Reapers started it. Even if the Reapers didn't start the Crucible Idea, they could of easily sabotaged it. Think of all the indoctrinated hands that have touched those plans like TIM the Reapers must have definitely tampered with it. All of this above shows that all of the events of ME3 could have be part of the Reapers' plans, and Shepard fulfilled them without even knowing it.

Anyway just wanted to throw that idea out there. I don't necessarily believe this theory, it is just a possibility I thought of. I still fully support the IT.

 

We've discussed this before, and you made an idea occur to me.

What if the Crucible is The Citadel 2.0 as far as the Reapers are concerned? An extra opportunity to destroy or shut down Mass Relays to further isolate a broken galaxy? If they can gather the resources and materials to build it, then they are far too mobile for the Reapers pleasure.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 12 avril 2012 - 01:19 .

[majinbuu1307]

It's over. Deal with it.

[chidingewe8036]

For Bioware,The Mass Effect Series Ended at the end of The Suicide Mission where Shepard and his crew flew off into space after having blown the Collectors away and escaping (that is a real ending, with a touch of star wars epicness)

For me personally the series ended in Mass Effect 3 when all the galaxies' ships and races united and were making there way to earth (that was what i have been waiting to see, the most epic moment, the only epic moment of the entire game) that was the end for me, I turned the game off after that and just fan fictioned the rest on paper and it was damn epic!!!!!

So screw you Biofail

[UrgedDuke]

Nauks wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

How about this:

It was clear during the Arrival that the Reapers wanted Shepard alive to possibly manipulate him. This  can be seen when kenson and her indoctrinated crew spare Shepard and try to sedate him until the Reapers arrive. My proposal is that Shepard was meant to break of of the station to prove to himself that he was alright. Shepard was also meant to travel all over the galaxy to unite the races against the Reapers. Shepard brings all of the races into a one location (Earth) to fight the Reapers. By doing this Shepard is fulfilling the Reapers plans because he has brought all the threats of the Reapers to a location where they can be destroyed in a single battle. I also think that the Crucible is likely a giant Reaper Trojan Horse and is part of the trap. If you think about it, it is unwise to think that the Reapers didn't know about the Crucible. The origins of the Crucible have been long lost, it is very possible that the Reapers started it. Even if the Reapers didn't start the Crucible Idea, they could of easily sabotaged it. Think of all the indoctrinated hands that have touched those plans like TIM the Reapers must have definitely tampered with it. All of this above shows that all of the events of ME3 could have be part of the Reapers' plans, and Shepard fulfilled them without even knowing it.

Anyway just wanted to throw that idea out there. I don't necessarily believe this theory, it is just a possibility I thought of. I still fully support the IT.

Agreed, the Crucible getting built at all without indoctrinated saboteurs is hard to swallow, but the Reapers actually failing to defend the Citadel when it gets hooked up would require too much suspended disbelief. (which only actually happens during the Citadel/final indoc sequence as I'm sure has been pointed out here before).

Dunno bout the Hacket part, sounds plausible enough when the facts are laid out like this though.

Hacket part?

[Nauks]

majinbuu1307 wrote...



It's over. Deal with it.

Don't wanna play? the door's over there. =p

[byne]

majinbuu1307 wrote...



It's over. Deal with it.

Jessica says something that can be seen as supporting IT, people are all: "IT is fake, Jessica isnt a dev just a community manager, she doesnt actually know whats going on! Anyone who believes what she says is stupid!"

Jessica says something that can be seen as disagreeing with IT, people are all: "There you have it, straight from the all-knowing Jessica Merizan herself, IT is fake, just like I always said! I've always loved Jessica!"

You guys make me laugh.

[Sire Styx]

I'm sorry everyone, but I've looked at the Shepard breath scene and it's not rebar or reaper cables.
img210.imageshack.us/img210/2055/binder.png
Shepard has been impaled by the ringbinding of a giant book

But seriously, I'm thinking if textures and models have been reused a lot in the ending, then that could be rebar or cable.

Also, it's important to note the size of the dog tags in comparison with
the rebar cable. Are big reaper cables the same width as dogtags?

However, it's a set video and not generated ingame, meaning comparison betwen ingame elements and that movie aren't really appropriate.

So I suggest another option to the Citadel/Earth theories (speculation below!)
He was never on the Citadel or Earth. Harbinger, who just happened to be flying around the blue laser at the time, had no real part in the ending, which is strange. What if Shepard never got to the laser thing, and instead got picked up by Harbinger?
You only get the breath ending with high EMS, right?
It's possible that this is because only at a high EMS was the fleet sufficient to take down Harbinger.
And what if one of the ships that took it down was the Normandy? We've seen it can fly into the earths atmosphere at the start.
So what if, after destroying Harbinger, Shepard was left lying in the rubble and the Normandy came to pick Shep up. The squad mates, if alive, would obviously climb aboard the Normandy.
Then if the Normandy decided to flee (for whatever reasons), if it crash landed on a planet, then it wasn't space magic that got your squad there.