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[Rifneno]

majinbuu1307 wrote...



It's over. Deal with it.

Thanks for the feedback!  What else did you like about Indoctrination Theory?

[UrgedDuke]

majinbuu1307 wrote...



It's over. Deal with it.

congratulations your only the 100th person to come here and post this you dumb troll

[ToughKiller Ham]

Golferguy758 wrote...

ToughKiller Ham wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

ToughKiller Ham wrote...

Ive read this thread from around page 300 and I cant recall if anyone has stated this:

Shepard's eyes have the same look as Saren's and TIM's. He's had them since Cerberus rebuilt him, but you cant see them if you take the Paragon path or heal his facial scarring.

I went full Renegade on my last playthrough of ME2 (because I love being the Clint Eastwood of space) and I noticed toward the middle of the game where the Renegade bar is half full and Shep's eyes start really glowing you can clearly see the triangular formation like TIMs and Sarens eyes.

I dont remember if anyone found any correlation to this and the Synth/Control endings but I though Id share it.

Literally one page back dude.

Crap. Thats what I get for just lurking. Thanks Ill read that now.

I will point out that the pattern is upside down if you are renegade. The two "dots" are on the upper area of the eye if you are renegade. However, TIM's two "dots" are on the lower level of the eye and he is indoctrinated. 

The big thing to point out is that when you choose control or synth shep's eyes turn into TIM's with both dots on the lower side. And we know that TIM got his eyes from exposure to the reaper device way back when, AKA when his indoctrination first began

So obviously the only conclusion to draw from this is...

Shepard's eyes rolled over in his head from the utter stupidity of him thinking that space magic could possibly work and made it so the "dots" are on the lower level 

Agreed.

"Hurr Durr Im an ancient being but I JUST SO HAPPEN to take on the shape and voice of a human kid at around 9 years old."

[zambingo]

As I said in the other thread. I'm not certain why Anti-ITers would assume that Shep being in Cit rubble disproves the IT. I like the IT, but never once did I assume that Shep was on Earth. I figured Shep experienced deepening hallucinations the closer Shep got to Starchild.

In short:

Being on the Cit doesn't mean Shep wasn't experiencing Indoctrination hallucinations.

Experiencing a full on Indoctrination attempt attack + hallucinations shouldn't even mean that Shep isn't actually physically manipulating anything on the Cit either.

[III Achilles II]

I have an interesting post to add.





Since she has seen the new material, and still has an Indoctrination Theory play through. I feel extremely confident in the theory.

Bioware has not denied it and people close to Bioware are keeping saved games dedicated to an Indoc. Theory. I thought it was interesting to see also that she's seen some new and exciting stuff they are already working on. That seems to point to the fact that it is Single player DLC that apparently is near finished, or how else could she be excited if they were merely in the "brainstorming" stage of the "Extended cut".

Just my thoughts.

Modifié par III Achilles II, 12 avril 2012 - 01:26 .

[yagaelvin]

zambingo wrote...

As I said in the other thread. I'm not certain why Anti-ITers would assume that Shep being in Cit rubble disproves the IT. I like the IT, but never once did I assume that Shep was on Earth. I figured Shep experienced deepening hallucinations the closer Shep got to Starchild.

In short:

Being on the Cit doesn't mean Shep wasn't experiencing Indoctrination hallucinations.

Experiencing a full on Indoctrination attempt attack + hallucinations shouldn't even mean that Shep isn't actually physically manipulating anything on the Cit either.

I personally think if the whole "Shepard was actually on the Citadel at the end" is actually true, that could just mean that the IT started when he passes out at the end in front of the console

Modifié par yagaelvin, 12 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[Sire Styx]

majinbuu1307 wrote...



It's over. Deal with it.

Everyone else was quoting you and I felt left out

Please see the second link in my sig for why being on the citadel is a problem for Shepard.

[byne]

zambingo wrote...

As I said in the other thread. I'm not certain why Anti-ITers would assume that Shep being in Cit rubble disproves the IT. I like the IT, but never once did I assume that Shep was on Earth. I figured Shep experienced deepening hallucinations the closer Shep got to Starchild.

In short:

Being on the Cit doesn't mean Shep wasn't experiencing Indoctrination hallucinations.

Experiencing a full on Indoctrination attempt attack + hallucinations shouldn't even mean that Shep isn't actually physically manipulating anything on the Cit either.

Yeah, I mean, idk if they are still around, but I know back in the earlier days of this thread there were a lot of people who believed the indoctrination attempt started after Shep opened the arms and passed out.

I still think Shep is in London, personally, but the other way makes some sense too.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

majinbuu1307 wrote...



It's over. Deal with it.

Jessica says something that can be seen as supporting IT, people are all: "IT is fake, Jessica isnt a dev just a community manager, she doesnt actually know whats going on! Anyone who believes what she says is stupid!"

Jessica says something that can be seen as disagreeing with IT, people are all: "There you have it, straight from the all-knowing Jessica Merizan herself, IT is fake, just like I always said! I've always loved Jessica!"

You guys make me laugh.

The reverse has been seen as well where Thoerists question her  knowledge of the subject. She never confirmed or denied IT but her saying Shepard is on the Citadel puts a dent in the dream thing.

[Nauks]

UrgedDuke wrote...

Nauks wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

How about this:

It was clear during the Arrival that the Reapers wanted Shepard alive to possibly manipulate him. This  can be seen when kenson and her indoctrinated crew spare Shepard and try to sedate him until the Reapers arrive. My proposal is that Shepard was meant to break of of the station to prove to himself that he was alright. Shepard was also meant to travel all over the galaxy to unite the races against the Reapers. Shepard brings all of the races into a one location (Earth) to fight the Reapers. By doing this Shepard is fulfilling the Reapers plans because he has brought all the threats of the Reapers to a location where they can be destroyed in a single battle. I also think that the Crucible is likely a giant Reaper Trojan Horse and is part of the trap. If you think about it, it is unwise to think that the Reapers didn't know about the Crucible. The origins of the Crucible have been long lost, it is very possible that the Reapers started it. Even if the Reapers didn't start the Crucible Idea, they could of easily sabotaged it. Think of all the indoctrinated hands that have touched those plans like TIM the Reapers must have definitely tampered with it. All of this above shows that all of the events of ME3 could have be part of the Reapers' plans, and Shepard fulfilled them without even knowing it.

Anyway just wanted to throw that idea out there. I don't necessarily believe this theory, it is just a possibility I thought of. I still fully support the IT.

Agreed, the Crucible getting built at all without indoctrinated saboteurs is hard to swallow, but the Reapers actually failing to defend the Citadel when it gets hooked up would require too much suspended disbelief. (which only actually happens during the Citadel/final indoc sequence as I'm sure has been pointed out here before).

Dunno bout the Hacket part, sounds plausible enough when the facts are laid out like this though.

Hacket part?

My bad, forget what I said about Hacket, it's late where I am

[Sire Styx]

I don't see how being on the Citadel has much bearing on indoctrination. It's not as if indoctrination only works on planet Earth. And it's not as if the Citadel is made out of lead and stops people being indoctrinated (It's obviously made from concrete, the most space-worthy material ever).

Modifié par Sire Styx, 12 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[byne]

So, I'm at the beginning of a totally new playthrough, and I know I've said this before, but I think it deserves some mention: the first dream has no shadow figures, nor does it have any whispering in it.

If the whisperings and shadows in the dreams were just guilt or PTSD or some such, you'd think the very first one Shep has after leaving Earth to the Reapers would at least have some.

Also, in this one the kid is laughing happily, and I cant recall whether or not he laughed in the later dreams.

[Sire Styx]

byne wrote...

So, I'm at the beginning of a totally new playthrough, and I know I've said this before, but I think it deserves some mention: the first dream has no shadow figures, nor does it have any whispering in it.

If the whisperings and shadows in the dreams were just guilt or PTSD or some such, you'd think the very first one Shep has after leaving Earth to the Reapers would at least have some.

Also, in this one the kid is laughing happily, and I cant recall whether or not he laughed in the later dreams.

Interesting point. I believe the other dreams got darker (emotionally, not visually) but I'm not sure.

[Gormane01]

III Achilles II wrote...

I have an interesting post to add.





Since she has seen the new material, and still has an Indoctrination Theory play through. I feel extremely confident in the theory.

Bioware has not denied it and people close to Bioware are keeping saved games dedicated to an Indoc. Theory. I thought it was interesting to see also that she's seen some new and exciting stuff they are already working on. That seems to point to the fact that it is Single player DLC that apparently is near finished, or how else could she be excited if they were merely in the "brainstorming" stage of the "Extended cut".

Just my thoughts.

This actually makes me think an ME4 is in the works. I can't know for sure, but an ME4 makes most of the statements Bioware has made be accurate (Eg. Artistic Integrity is valid as the ending of ME3 should be open still without full conclusions etc)

Only thing that would of course be inconsistent would be the fact that they kept saying ME3 would be the end....

[McWhitey3]

Also just started another playthrough and right at the beginning it seems some foreshadowing was used in regards to Ashley's dialogue. Right on Mars her dialogue is pretty much "how do you know you aren't being controlled?"

[Lenimph]

Gormane01 wrote...

III Achilles II wrote...

I have an interesting post to add.

*snip* 

Since she has seen the new material, and still has an Indoctrination Theory play through. I feel extremely confident in the theory.

Bioware has not denied it and people close to Bioware are keeping saved games dedicated to an Indoc. Theory. I thought it was interesting to see also that she's seen some new and exciting stuff they are already working on. That seems to point to the fact that it is Single player DLC that apparently is near finished, or how else could she be excited if they were merely in the "brainstorming" stage of the "Extended cut".

Just my thoughts.

This actually makes me think an ME4 is in the works. I can't know for sure, but an ME4 makes most of the statements Bioware has made be accurate (Eg. Artistic Integrity is valid as the ending of ME3 should be open still without full conclusions etc)

Only thing that would of course be inconsistent would be the fact that they kept saying ME3 would be the end....

"ME4" doesn't have to have Shep as the star.  They said ME3 was the end of Shepards story... not the end of the Mass Effect Universe 

Modifié par Lenimph, 12 avril 2012 - 01:37 .

[Sire Styx]

Sire Styx wrote...

byne wrote...

So, I'm at the beginning of a totally new playthrough, and I know I've said this before, but I think it deserves some mention: the first dream has no shadow figures, nor does it have any whispering in it.

If the whisperings and shadows in the dreams were just guilt or PTSD or some such, you'd think the very first one Shep has after leaving Earth to the Reapers would at least have some.

Also, in this one the kid is laughing happily, and I cant recall whether or not he laughed in the later dreams.

Interesting point. I believe the other dreams got darker (emotionally, not visually) but I'm not sure.

Actually they may get darker visually, not sure.
But shadows are absent from 1st dream.

Modifié par Sire Styx, 12 avril 2012 - 01:48 .

[Arian Dynas]

Lenimph wrote...

Gormane01 wrote...

III Achilles II wrote...

I have an interesting post to add.

*snip* 

Since she has seen the new material, and still has an Indoctrination Theory play through. I feel extremely confident in the theory.

Bioware has not denied it and people close to Bioware are keeping saved games dedicated to an Indoc. Theory. I thought it was interesting to see also that she's seen some new and exciting stuff they are already working on. That seems to point to the fact that it is Single player DLC that apparently is near finished, or how else could she be excited if they were merely in the "brainstorming" stage of the "Extended cut".

Just my thoughts.

This actually makes me think an ME4 is in the works. I can't know for sure, but an ME4 makes most of the statements Bioware has made be accurate (Eg. Artistic Integrity is valid as the ending of ME3 should be open still without full conclusions etc)

Only thing that would of course be inconsistent would be the fact that they kept saying ME3 would be the end....

"ME4" doesn't have to have Shep as the star.  They said ME3 was the end of Shepards story... not the end of the Mass Effect Universe 

Besides that point... 

Do the words "Expansion Pack" mean anything to you?

[Sire Styx]

I gtg now.
What did anyone think of my idea that Shep is actually on Harbinger lol? I think with a few tweaks, it may make more sense than the actual ending.
Then at least it explains the rebar as reaper cables and keeps trolls happy.

[Lasiewicz]

I have a feeling that Bioware is gonna make IT an 'option'. Dunno how it would work, per se, but if IT was optional, I think alot of peeps would be happy.

[yagaelvin]

Lasiewicz wrote...

I have a feeling that Bioware is gonna make IT an 'option'. Dunno how it would work, per se, but if IT was optional, I think alot of peeps would be happy.

But what would the other option be?  Leave it as is?

Modifié par yagaelvin, 12 avril 2012 - 01:55 .

[Beastpwnguy7]

This thread gives me hope XD

[khyvari]

The kid was crying in the 2nd and 3rd dreams.

[Rifneno]

khyvari wrote...

The kid was crying in the 2nd and 3rd dreams.

Woah.  I guess he CAN read my thoughts.

[Jaxitty]

Dendio1 wrote...

Heres what to do. Click this link. Watch the OP's video. Emerge with a better understanding of how feasible it is to turn this terrible ending into a better one. Then give the OP praise for a job well done.
http://social.biowar...ndex/11231305/1

Check this out guys, has nothing to do with IT, but would takew this ending over what we got ANY day!!!