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[xDarkspace]

WvStolzing wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Actually, in all honesty, no. I walked out of the theater after The Matrix Revolutions and never gave the series a second glance

The sad thing is that the ME3 'epilogue' blatantly takes some cues from the Matrix 3 ending.

mabye shep saw the movie and its his subconcusses ****ing with him lol

[streamlock]

Think of from a logistical standpoint as well.

-They have a massive amount of script leaked-had to be depressing as hell.
-They have to deal with a multitude of release dates world-wide. The game will be beaten by people before it even goes on sale in another region-and the ending spoiled
-They launch the game into space a week early, without a care in the world about spoilers for the rest of us
-They know the PC crowed will go file hunting crazy and post audio from on you-tube about the plot minutes after release, and get on the forums going nuts.
-Then an almost total blackout. Only now are they trying to even get some of the posts consolidated, but not intervening in the slightest.

It's either insane, brilliant, or just plane whack. Only time will tell.

Modifié par streamlock, 12 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[Jaze55]

GBGriffin wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

random babble- in case people are questioning when exactly Shep gets indoctrinated-- I keep thinking that it could perhaps have started from the Arrival DLC- when the Reaper Artifact reveals to Shep the vision-- maybe the indoctrination could have begun there? if not a whole lot sooner

I agree this is possible, but I feel that the Prothean VI on Thessia would have pointed it out...

...unless Shepard wasn't fully indoctrinated by that point, only being subtely influenced up until the end when Harby actually plops down on Earth. I think *that* is the culmination of the indoctrination effort, but it may have been going on for some time in small doses.

I was just about to point that out, I don't think this indoctrinated theory holds any water. ( I wish it did tbh just for a different ending). And how do we know that was even Hargringer that landed? All the dam reapers look the same, giant squids. 

[Lambchopz]

GBGriffin wrote...

Honestly...I'm almost begging for all of this to be speculation because it would demonstrate that the fans can come up with a more worthwhile ending than the writers

I was about to say something like this.

If this ends up being a farce, all it really says is that the ME community can come up with a good ending that literally changes nothing about the current make up of the game, and do so without leaving massive plotholes, complete disregard for prior choices made, and acting like the other characters besides Shep don't exist.

I think BioWare would have to be foolish to simply ignore this, but it's not like they've never been foolish before. Prospects for any official recognition of this theory in any way are probably quite low.

[XCMichael]

xDarkspace wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Actually, in all honesty, no. I walked out of the theater after The Matrix Revolutions and never gave the series a second glance

The sad thing is that the ME3 'epilogue' blatantly takes some cues from the Matrix 3 ending.

mabye shep saw the movie and its his subconcusses ****ing with him lol

So, moral of the day: "don't watch the Matrix or you will get indoctrinated"?

Modifié par XCMichael, 12 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[PlumPaul93]

Some of you guys are incredibly desperate for it to turn out to be a "hallucination" caused by indoctrination that you'll believe any detail (however small) that might support that point. The ending is what it is, not some mastermind mindtrick by the devs to get more money or fool the gamers. If they change it I hope you don't buy into "it being the plan from the start" cause it certainly wouldn't have been.

[humes spork]

balance5050 wrote...

you must stand strong to kill those bastards no matter what.

I strongly disagree with that notion. Read previous posts of mine throughout the thread for why I do.

In short, if that were true then there wouldn't be higher EMS requirements for control and merge, the latter astronomically so in the context of a game played without MP.

Indoctrination in the control ending implies Shepard would attempt to use the Reapers, like TIM. Shepard tells the Reapers to GTFO and never come back, which is very distinctly not using them.

Indoctrination in the merge ending implies the Reapers' job would be done for them. The ending makes the point all life is synthesized, not merely organics of sufficiently-advanced civilizations. Furthermore, the synthetics of the current cycle remain, synthesized, while the Reapers outright exterminate synthetics in each cycle. Lastly, organics retain their form, individuality and psychology which is directly contradictory to Reaper goals.

[Turtlicious]

Lambchopz wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Honestly...I'm almost begging for all of this to be speculation because it would demonstrate that the fans can come up with a more worthwhile ending than the writers

I was about to say something like this.

If this ends up being a farce, all it really says is that the ME community can come up with a good ending that literally changes nothing about the current make up of the game, and do so without leaving massive plotholes, complete disregard for prior choices made, and acting like the other characters besides Shep don't exist.

I think BioWare would have to be foolish to simply ignore this, but it's not like they've never been foolish before. Prospects for any official recognition of this theory in any way are probably quite low.

Well I tweeted it to @GambleMike @JessicaMearntz (sp?) and the guy who dissed us asking for a DM or tweet confirming or denying the theory.

[balance5050]

We just can't forget that you only get the "Shepherd wakes up on Earth" ending if you hold your resolve and destroy the reapers.

If some little kid is like "Hey! Grab this electricity to save everyone!" or "Hey! Jump into this giant laser and every single oranism in the galaxy gets circuit board skin!"
I'm just going to not do either of those thing s and shoot this thing right here, because it seems like you don't want me to.

[bozonbob]

I just checked on the PC and after completing a run through I have a new save game called LegendSave.pcsav.  I don't have a similar save for the other character I only played several hours on.  So maybe this LegendSave is what a DLC would use?

[Lambchopz]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Some of you guys are incredibly desperate for it to turn out to be a "hallucination" caused by indoctrination that you'll believe any detail (however small) that might support that point. The ending is what it is, not some mastermind mindtrick by the devs to get more money or fool the gamers. If they change it I hope you don't buy into "it being the plan from the start" cause it certainly wouldn't have been.

Still irrelevant to this discussion.

[XCMichael]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Some of you guys are incredibly desperate for it to turn out to be a "hallucination" caused by indoctrination that you'll believe any detail (however small) that might support that point. The ending is what it is, not some mastermind mindtrick by the devs to get more money or fool the gamers. If they change it I hope you don't buy into "it being the plan from the start" cause it certainly wouldn't have been.

I know, we are all being hopeful. It's just fun for me to discuss ideas like this. Way better than flaming bioware/EA or fanboys/girls.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

If this is all false. Bioware has utterly failed.

But...

If this is all true. Bioware might have pulled off the greatest OMFG never-saw-this-comming surprise in gaming history.

[Drewskii]

MassEffected555 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

random babble- in case people are questioning when exactly Shep gets indoctrinated-- I keep thinking that it could perhaps have started from the Arrival DLC- when the Reaper Artifact reveals to Shep the vision-- maybe the indoctrination could have begun there? if not a whole lot sooner

I agree this is possible, but I feel that the Prothean VI on Thessia would have pointed it out...

...unless Shepard wasn't fully indoctrinated by that point, only being subtely influenced up until the end when Harby actually plops down on Earth. I think *that* is the culmination of the indoctrination effort, but it may have been going on for some time in small doses.

I was just about to point that out, I don't think this indoctrinated theory holds any water. ( I wish it did tbh just for a different ending). And how do we know that was even Hargringer that landed? All the dam reapers look the same, giant squids. 

It's Harbinger, he looks distinct and it's clear.

As far as the indoctrination, he likely wasn't fully indoctrinated at that point only in the process. Post Thessia Shep's mental state begins deteriorating, and with the potential "near death experience" from taking a beam from Harby it would push his adrenaline (which is alluded to multiple times during Priority Sanctuary).

It's been explained a few times in this massive thread, but yeah.

[dragonage200200]

MassEffected555 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

random babble- in case people are questioning when exactly Shep gets indoctrinated-- I keep thinking that it could perhaps have started from the Arrival DLC- when the Reaper Artifact reveals to Shep the vision-- maybe the indoctrination could have begun there? if not a whole lot sooner

I agree this is possible, but I feel that the Prothean VI on Thessia would have pointed it out...

...unless Shepard wasn't fully indoctrinated by that point, only being subtely influenced up until the end when Harby actually plops down on Earth. I think *that* is the culmination of the indoctrination effort, but it may have been going on for some time in small doses.

I was just about to point that out, I don't think this indoctrinated theory holds any water. ( I wish it did tbh just for a different ending). And how do we know that was even Hargringer that landed? All the dam reapers look the same, giant squids. 

Pretty sure Harbinger is the only one with the multiple 'eyes' and they specifilly say Harbinger broke off from the space battle to come stop Shepard and Co.

[SonicAF]

balance5050 wrote...

We just can't forget that you only get the "Shepherd wakes up on Earth" ending if you hold your resolve and destroy the reapers.

If some little kid is like "Hey! Grab this electricity to save everyone!" or "Hey! Jump into this giant laser and every single oranism in the galaxy gets circuit board skin!"
I'm just going to not do either of those thing s and shoot this thing right here, because it seems like you don't want me to.

You don't want it as well because EDI DIES. Just as geth do. Your life or their ones...oh and mass relays are doomed.

[Dilandau3000]

bozonbob wrote...

I just checked on the PC and after completing a run through I have a new save game called LegendSave.pcsav.  I don't have a similar save for the other character I only played several hours on.  So maybe this LegendSave is what a DLC would use?

The timestamp on my LegendSave.pcsav file is three hours before I beat the game. It appears to be the save file the game uses to return you to the point before attacking Cerberus after the credit.

The only file with a timestamp matching when I finished the game is NewGamePlusSave.pcsav.

[DXLelouch15]

id shoot the Catalyst if given an Option then a scene would happen with Harby crusing Shepard for fooling his master plan

[GBGriffin]

Lambchopz wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Honestly...I'm almost begging for all of this to be speculation because it would demonstrate that the fans can come up with a more worthwhile ending than the writers

I was about to say something like this.

If this ends up being a farce, all it really says is that the ME community can come up with a good ending that literally changes nothing about the current make up of the game, and do so without leaving massive plotholes, complete disregard for prior choices made, and acting like the other characters besides Shep don't exist.

I think BioWare would have to be foolish to simply ignore this, but it's not like they've never been foolish before. Prospects for any official recognition of this theory in any way are probably quite low.

Not just come up with one....we used what they gave us, the exact same materials and elements they had, and made a better one!  A lot of this, even if it is hopefully grasping at straws, can be backed up in the game and the canon itself, which they gave us.

Either they did this on purpose and just dropped the ball on presenting it, or we found a bunch of things they overlooked.

I'd be satisfied with either at this point.

[lavosslayer]

MassEffected555 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

random babble- in case people are questioning when exactly Shep gets indoctrinated-- I keep thinking that it could perhaps have started from the Arrival DLC- when the Reaper Artifact reveals to Shep the vision-- maybe the indoctrination could have begun there? if not a whole lot sooner

I agree this is possible, but I feel that the Prothean VI on Thessia would have pointed it out...

...unless Shepard wasn't fully indoctrinated by that point, only being subtely influenced up until the end when Harby actually plops down on Earth. I think *that* is the culmination of the indoctrination effort, but it may have been going on for some time in small doses.

I was just about to point that out, I don't think this indoctrinated theory holds any water. ( I wish it did tbh just for a different ending). And how do we know that was even Hargringer that landed? All the dam reapers look the same, giant squids. 

Harbinger broke off from the attack in space and headed to Earth to prevent Shepard from entering the transport beam...and Shepard was in the process of being indoctrinated but never manifested any noticeable signs of being so until being incapacitated by Harbinger on Earth...the Prothean VI most likely couldn't detect the indoctrination on Shepard due to him still having control over his actions and not being fully indoctrinated yet...since full indoctrination involves losing all control of your actions...Shepard was in control until that entire trip into transport to the citadel began...

[humes spork]

dragonage200200 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

I was just about to point that out, I don't think this indoctrinated theory holds any water. ( I wish it did tbh just for a different ending). And how do we know that was even Hargringer that landed? All the dam reapers look the same, giant squids. 

Pretty sure Harbinger is the only one with the multiple 'eyes' and they specifilly say Harbinger broke off from the space battle to come stop Shepard and Co.

Yeah, that's unambiguously Harbinger in that scene. The codex points out that Harbinger is larger and has a distinct appearance from what the game calls "Sovereign-class Reapers", and posits that Harbinger is perhaps the first and/or most powerful Reaper, and has some position of leadership or authority over others. Plus you see Harbinger in the ME2 ending and in Arrival, and it's the same appearance, particularly the "four yellow-glowing eyes" no other Reaper has.

[Berkilak]

Likewise, Harbinger and indoctrination or not (which I think is way off base), the near-certainty remains that it was a hallucination, given that he awakens amid Earth-bound rubble, as well as other inconsistencies that are irreconcilable given the state of reality before he was knocked unconscious.

Reaper-influenced or not, it was a dream.

[XCMichael]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

bozonbob wrote...

I just checked on the PC and after completing a run through I have a new save game called LegendSave.pcsav.  I don't have a similar save for the other character I only played several hours on.  So maybe this LegendSave is what a DLC would use?

The timestamp on my LegendSave.pcsav file is three hours before I beat the game. It appears to be the save file the game uses to return you to the point before attacking Cerberus after the credit.

The only file with a timestamp matching when I finished the game is NewGamePlusSave.pcsav.

HAHA, it feels like everyone is trying to decode Da Vinci's code or something. Its getting so meta, I like it, keep them coming. XD

[balance5050]

SonicAF wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

We just can't forget that you only get the "Shepherd wakes up on Earth" ending if you hold your resolve and destroy the reapers.

If some little kid is like "Hey! Grab this electricity to save everyone!" or "Hey! Jump into this giant laser and every single oranism in the galaxy gets circuit board skin!"
I'm just going to not do either of those thing s and shoot this thing right here, because it seems like you don't want me to.

You don't want it as well because EDI DIES. Just as geth do. Your life or their ones...oh and mass relays are doomed.

No, you wake up on Earth BEFORE even going up into the citadel, so it goes back to before you make the choice. He didn't suvive a fall throught the atmosphere the first time, it won't happen this time.

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mars 2012 - 06:06 .

[Dilandau3000]

SonicAF wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

We just can't forget that you only get the "Shepherd wakes up on Earth" ending if you hold your resolve and destroy the reapers.

If some little kid is like "Hey! Grab this electricity to save everyone!" or "Hey! Jump into this giant laser and every single oranism in the galaxy gets circuit board skin!"
I'm just going to not do either of those thing s and shoot this thing right here, because it seems like you don't want me to.

You don't want it as well because EDI DIES. Just as geth do. Your life or their ones...oh and mass relays are doomed.

My reasoning is still that the destroy option is the only one that actually removes the influence of the reapers from the galaxy, and the only one that lets the galaxy create its own future again. The other two are just replacing one form of control with another. Killing the geth and EDI is a price I'd rather not pay, but sometimes you just can't save everybody (a major theme in the game, btw).