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#35701
Rifneno

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Sire Styx wrote...

Lol, I've only registered ME3 with this account (or whatever it was) to play multiplayer. I haven't resgistered any other ME game :)


Speaking of which, have you guys played the new MP maps, Firebase Condor & Hydra?  Because they don't seem to me like they were made with MP in mind.  It looks to me like they were made for SP stuff that either got scrapped or we haven't seen yet.  First of all, they're just terrible for MP.  Terrible.  Condor especially.  Whoever made them either wasn't making them with MP in mind, had no idea how MP works, or truly and utterly hates people who play MP.  There's a lot of new graphics in them and MP hasn't traditionally been big on the whole "unique graphics" thing.  I even saw one of those little panels you shoot open to use something inside.  Like the cannon mission on Tuchanka, remember those power conduit panels?  Those things.  I can't recall ever seeing one of those where it wasn't used for the story until now.

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The trolls are rolling in again..

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waldstr18 wrote...

you guys are still believing hard is see. shiny.



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Rifneno

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lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

you guys are still believing hard is see. shiny.



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I'm offended that you used Liara in response to Waldstr.  What did Liara ever do to you to warrant such a thing?!

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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I'm becoming bored with all this stuff. IT is great but Bioware pulled it awfully. They should have included it after the Catalyst scene.


There would be no point in it if it was in the vanilla game.  The entire point of it was to make us think it was real.  To indoctrinate the player as well as Shepard.  For that, we needed to think the game was really over.  That said, waiting until SUMMER is way the hell too long.


I understand why they did it the way they did it :). Anyway, the wait has become an annoyance, Shepard.

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lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

you guys are still believing hard is see. shiny.



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LOL! :lol:

Although, I do have to say...

I lovez myself some Liara! :wub:

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waldstr18 wrote...

you guys are still believing hard is see. shiny.


I... I don't understand... what you're....saying?

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Iconoclaste wrote...

So, at what point exactly did Shepard lose contact with "reality"? Or : did he lose all contact with it, to the same amount all the way until he "breathes", or did he manage to do some "actions" after being zapped by Harby, seeing a "distorted reality" imposed to him by indoctrination?


Depends on your theory. I am in the camp that says Harbinger's beam is where the rabbit hole starts. Shepard is physically badly damaged, overstressed and emotionally a wreck by this point, the psychosomatic effects of his injuries simply put him over the edge.

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paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I'm becoming bored with all this stuff. IT is great but Bioware pulled it awfully. They should have included it after the Catalyst scene.


There would be no point in it if it was in the vanilla game.  The entire point of it was to make us think it was real.  To indoctrinate the player as well as Shepard.  For that, we needed to think the game was really over.  That said, waiting until SUMMER is way the hell too long.


I understand why they did it the way they did it :). Anyway, the wait is annoying.


Amen to that.  I can't believe we're going to have to deal with an extraction wave of trolls until summer.  Especially since "summer" generally means "november" to gaming companies.

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always calling me troll for no reason...

#35711
lex0r11

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Rifneno wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

you guys are still believing hard is see. shiny.


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I'm offended that you used Liara in response to Waldstr.  What did Liara ever do to you to warrant such a thing?!


I guess the frequency in which mr. waldstr shows up in here makes here face palm, nothing more, nothing less.

No mind flaying required.

Yet.

#35712
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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I'm becoming bored with all this stuff. IT is great but Bioware pulled it awfully. They should have included it after the Catalyst scene.


There would be no point in it if it was in the vanilla game.  The entire point of it was to make us think it was real.  To indoctrinate the player as well as Shepard.  For that, we needed to think the game was really over.  That said, waiting until SUMMER is way the hell too long.

Mm, PAX y u no annouce >:(
Also feeling my brain implode in on itself due to the audience collectively brain farting on the Q&A was unreal.
It felt back then like we were reaching the breaking point in frustration, now it's just cruel and unusual.

#35713
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Sire Styx wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

you guys are still believing hard is see. shiny.


I... I don't understand... what you're....saying?


Just play along, 
waldstr18 is... "special".

#35714
lex0r11

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waldstr18 wrote...

always calling me troll for no reason...


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Did you guys see this article ?

http://playstationli...poiler-warning/

Not Indoc really, but somone pointing out that Star Brat is a liar ^^

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Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

The lighting issue is due to the fact that looking "forward" you get a lens flare effect from the blueish white lights smearing over part of the overall image, in graduate "foggy" intensity depending on the distance from the "white flare". It becomes more transparent the further from the lens flare you look. Looking backwards you just don't have any of those lights, so no "lens flare fog".


Really? So all the other places they use lens flare (and there are a few) that don't have the same problem are wrong then? This is the only place in the entire game it happens, and it's not just a "error" it's a gradual desaturation that slowly drains the color from the screen.

That is not what we see from the video.

There are lots of different "lens flare" effects throughout the game. Solar lens flare are seen against an "environment map", which is not affected by any lighting in the player's environment. Those are relatively dim lights, in a dark hallway, so you would have to compare the scene with something similar, and even then you would still need an editor to see what kind of lighting was applied. IT has better evidence than this.


Yes it does. Doesn't mean this ISN'T evidence though.

#35717
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balance5050 wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

you guys are still believing hard is see. shiny.


I... I don't understand... what you're....saying?


Just play along, 
waldstr18 is... "special".


didnt i put that correctly? what i meant was "you guys are still believing in the indoctrination theory like a bunch of fanatics ready to behead everyone who thinks its just a bunch of ballony." thats what i meant with believing hard. sorry, no native speaker.

and i also wished the whole thing ended with pax. no such luck.

#35718
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Something else..

where the f*ck is Shepard in the conversation with the kid?
Where exactly is that platform? It's obviously on the citadel, but I have no idea where.

#35719
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waldstr18 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

you guys are still believing hard is see. shiny.


I... I don't understand... what you're....saying?


Just play along, 
waldstr18 is... "special".


didnt i put that correctly? what i meant was "you guys are still believing in the indoctrination theory like a bunch of fanatics ready to behead everyone who thinks its just a bunch of ballony." thats what i meant with believing hard. sorry, no native speaker.

and i also wished the whole thing ended with pax. no such luck.


FANATICS!

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waldstr18 wrote...

didnt i put that correctly? what i meant was "you guys are still believing in the indoctrination theory like a bunch of fanatics ready to behead everyone who thinks its just a bunch of ballony." thats what i meant with believing hard. sorry, no native speaker.


And he wonders why people think he's a troll.  With a charming personality like that.

#35721
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Rifneno wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Lol, I've only registered ME3 with this account (or whatever it was) to play multiplayer. I haven't resgistered any other ME game :)


Speaking of which, have you guys played the new MP maps, Firebase Condor & Hydra?  Because they don't seem to me like they were made with MP in mind.  It looks to me like they were made for SP stuff that either got scrapped or we haven't seen yet.  First of all, they're just terrible for MP.  Terrible.  Condor especially.  Whoever made them either wasn't making them with MP in mind, had no idea how MP works, or truly and utterly hates people who play MP.  There's a lot of new graphics in them and MP hasn't traditionally been big on the whole "unique graphics" thing.  I even saw one of those little panels you shoot open to use something inside.  Like the cannon mission on Tuchanka, remember those power conduit panels?  Those things.  I can't recall ever seeing one of those where it wasn't used for the story until now.


I have played both new maps.  I actually like both of them.  I think Condor would be best on Gold.  You know, lots of enemies for a big map.  Hydra is good for CQC.  If you ask me, they are well balanced additions to the already excellent collection of maps.

#35722
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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I'm becoming bored with all this stuff. IT is great but Bioware pulled it awfully. They should have included it after the Catalyst scene.


There would be no point in it if it was in the vanilla game.  The entire point of it was to make us think it was real.  To indoctrinate the player as well as Shepard.  For that, we needed to think the game was really over.  That said, waiting until SUMMER is way the hell too long.


I understand why they did it the way they did it :). Anyway, the wait is annoying.


Amen to that.  I can't believe we're going to have to deal with an extraction wave of trolls until summer.  Especially since "summer" generally means "november" to gaming companies.


November? So we'll have only 1 month to play it before the end of the world. S**t!

#35723
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Rifneno wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Lol, I've only registered ME3 with this account (or whatever it was) to play multiplayer. I haven't registered any other ME game :)

Edit: lol, fixing spelling in my quoted quote.


Speaking of which, have you guys played the new MP maps, Firebase Condor & Hydra?  Because they don't seem to me like they were made with MP in mind.  It looks to me like they were made for SP stuff that either got scrapped or we haven't seen yet.  First of all, they're just terrible for MP.  Terrible.  Condor especially.  Whoever made them either wasn't making them with MP in mind, had no idea how MP works, or truly and utterly hates people who play MP.  There's a lot of new graphics in them and MP hasn't traditionally been big on the whole "unique graphics" thing.  I even saw one of those little panels you shoot open to use something inside.  Like the cannon mission on Tuchanka, remember those power conduit panels?  Those things.  I can't recall ever seeing one of those where it wasn't used for the story until now.


I'm not playing any ME stuff until the ending. People may think it's childish or w.e. but I've got no motivation to play as the ending is terrible as it is. I don't play games to feel unhappy lol.

However, at least one of the older MP maps doesn't seem too good for multiplayer. It seemed way to open, with no way to defend yourself. I supose it's because when I play games, I try and find a safe spot where I can shoot people. In multiplayer everyone either has their own spot or else seem to like running right into the middle of enemies :\\
But really, that's not the fault of the map, just of the people I played with lol. 4 different people all playing a single player game together.

But yeah, how is the map bad for MP? Anything like I said being too open or what?

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lex0r11 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

you guys are still believing hard is see. shiny.


*image snipped*


I'm offended that you used Liara in response to Waldstr.  What did Liara ever do to you to warrant such a thing?!


I guess the frequency in which mr. waldstr shows up in here makes here face palm, nothing more, nothing less.

No mind flaying required.

Yet.


Mind flaying?

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Modifié par Arian Dynas, 12 avril 2012 - 06:55 .


#35725
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Rifneno wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Lol, I've only registered ME3 with this account (or whatever it was) to play multiplayer. I haven't resgistered any other ME game :)


Speaking of which, have you guys played the new MP maps, Firebase Condor & Hydra?  Because they don't seem to me like they were made with MP in mind.  It looks to me like they were made for SP stuff that either got scrapped or we haven't seen yet.  First of all, they're just terrible for MP.  Terrible.  Condor especially.  Whoever made them either wasn't making them with MP in mind, had no idea how MP works, or truly and utterly hates people who play MP.  There's a lot of new graphics in them and MP hasn't traditionally been big on the whole "unique graphics" thing.  I even saw one of those little panels you shoot open to use something inside.  Like the cannon mission on Tuchanka, remember those power conduit panels?  Those things.  I can't recall ever seeing one of those where it wasn't used for the story until now.


The new maps are fun and are locations not currently found within the original game.  Condor is similar to your mission on Palavan's Moon Menae.  Hyrda is of Salarian design if memory serves and is pretty slick looking. 

I definately like both the new maps - I have not been fortunate enough to unlock any of the 6 new class variants - despite enough credits to get 2 Premium Spectre packs.