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[Iconoclaste]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

What's the problem here? Something I can't understand?

It is not a thing you can comprehend.

Wanna bet?

[Dwailing]

balance5050 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Ravel1992 wrote...


So, maybe some rap?
www.youtube.com/watch

That.  Was.  AWESOME!!!  Did he make a reference to IT?  'Cause I think he said something about the Reapers will not control Shepard's mind.

Yeah, pretty sic. It's on the level.

So, I guess we have another suppoter.

[Dwailing]

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

its night time here.

Well then why aren't you in bed? Don't make me get the hose

OK, let's try not to kill each other here.  

[Vahilor]

*only shakes head desperatly* somhow I think Waldstr. is resistant to anything reasonable....
I think it would be best for you and for the guys here when you leave and stop posting here.. so you don't have to be annoyed about stupid, still in IDT believing people and we don't have to be annoyed about beeing called idiots and fanatics.. that are to dumb to see there can't be IDT...

[Dwailing]

Vahilor wrote...

*only shakes head desperatly* somhow I think Waldstr. is resistant to anything reasonable....
I think it would be best for you and for the guys here when you leave and stop posting here.. so you don't have to be annoyed about stupid, still in IDT believing people and we don't have to be annoyed about beeing called idiots and fanatics.. that are to dumb to see there can't be IDT...

Uh, so do you agree with IT or not?  It almost sounds like you might be getting skeptical.  Don't give up.  Hold the Line!  For Marauder Shields and Jessica Merizan!

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 waldstr18 wrote 
"im talking about the ones who call people stupid for not recognizing the 50 clues in the game."

Do you not see the hypocrisy of what you're doing? I've been on the other threads, and I.T. people DON'T go in them unless they are calling out I.T. people, with some minor detail like "Shepard is on the citadel!!!"
Two wrongs don't make a right. How about you make your own thread about something you think is wrong about IT and we can debate there.

dont you think there would be a lot of threads then, which could all be combined in here? also i would feel quite self involved making such a thread. no one would post, cause who cares about the indoctrination theory anymore except you guys?

the hypocrisy i dont understand. the thing with the 50 clues in the game and the being stupid for not recognizing them has actually been said in here. so what so hypocritical about that? does it matter where it has been posted?

This is a huge thread that has more views per page than the "we can't get the ending..." When you say "you guys" you're talking to a fairly large ****** of the fanbase of the fan base. If you look at all the surveys you see that I.T. is preffered to a face value ending. Indoct theory is even on the mass effect reddit quite frequently.

[Vahilor]

Dwailing wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

*only shakes head desperatly* somhow I think Waldstr. is resistant to anything reasonable....
I think it would be best for you and for the guys here when you leave and stop posting here.. so you don't have to be annoyed about stupid, still in IDT believing people and we don't have to be annoyed about beeing called idiots and fanatics.. that are to dumb to see there can't be IDT...

Uh, so do you agree with IT or not?  It almost sounds like you might be getting skeptical.  Don't give up.  Hold the Line!  For Marauder Shields and Jessica Merizan!

I still would be really pleased when IDT is true and believe in it ^^ cause for me it is the only possible way to keep the endings and fill a lot of plot wholes =).

[Dwailing]

Vahilor wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

*only shakes head desperatly* somhow I think Waldstr. is resistant to anything reasonable....
I think it would be best for you and for the guys here when you leave and stop posting here.. so you don't have to be annoyed about stupid, still in IDT believing people and we don't have to be annoyed about beeing called idiots and fanatics.. that are to dumb to see there can't be IDT...

Uh, so do you agree with IT or not?  It almost sounds like you might be getting skeptical.  Don't give up.  Hold the Line!  For Marauder Shields and Jessica Merizan!

I still would be really pleased when IDT is true and believe in it ^^ cause for me it is the only possible way to keep the endings and fill a lot of plot wholes =).

OK, just making sure.

[waldstr18]

called no one an idiot. also i was just checking everything is as usual in here. im actually trying to keep from posting too much, since people get called troll very quickly these days.

oh, and if you dont like to be called hard believers, maybe you should believe so hard. (if that makes any sense).

[Vahilor]

Dwailing wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

*only shakes head desperatly* somhow I think Waldstr. is resistant to anything reasonable....
I think it would be best for you and for the guys here when you leave and stop posting here.. so you don't have to be annoyed about stupid, still in IDT believing people and we don't have to be annoyed about beeing called idiots and fanatics.. that are to dumb to see there can't be IDT...

Uh, so do you agree with IT or not?  It almost sounds like you might be getting skeptical.  Don't give up.  Hold the Line!  For Marauder Shields and Jessica Merizan!

I still would be really pleased when IDT is true and believe in it ^^ cause for me it is the only possible way to keep the endings and fill a lot of plot wholes =).

OK, just making sure.

I only was summing up what waldstr. thinks about us ^^

[Dwailing]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 waldstr18 wrote 
"im talking about the ones who call people stupid for not recognizing the 50 clues in the game."

Do you not see the hypocrisy of what you're doing? I've been on the other threads, and I.T. people DON'T go in them unless they are calling out I.T. people, with some minor detail like "Shepard is on the citadel!!!"
Two wrongs don't make a right. How about you make your own thread about something you think is wrong about IT and we can debate there.

dont you think there would be a lot of threads then, which could all be combined in here? also i would feel quite self involved making such a thread. no one would post, cause who cares about the indoctrination theory anymore except you guys?

the hypocrisy i dont understand. the thing with the 50 clues in the game and the being stupid for not recognizing them has actually been said in here. so what so hypocritical about that? does it matter where it has been posted?

This is a huge thread that has more views per page than the "we can't get the ending..." When you say "you guys" you're talking to a fairly large ****** of the fanbase of the fan base. If you look at all the surveys you see that I.T. is preffered to a face value ending. Indoct theory is even on the mass effect reddit quite frequently.

Yeah, the Mass Effect: Deception opposition thread was closed once it was this size.  I don't think it even reached over a thousand pages before being shut down.  It has been a while, though, and my memory isn't perfect.

[lex0r11]

Dwailing wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

its night time here.

Well then why aren't you in bed? Don't make me get the hose

OK, let's try not to kill each other here.  

[Dwailing]

Vahilor wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

*only shakes head desperatly* somhow I think Waldstr. is resistant to anything reasonable....
I think it would be best for you and for the guys here when you leave and stop posting here.. so you don't have to be annoyed about stupid, still in IDT believing people and we don't have to be annoyed about beeing called idiots and fanatics.. that are to dumb to see there can't be IDT...

Uh, so do you agree with IT or not?  It almost sounds like you might be getting skeptical.  Don't give up.  Hold the Line!  For Marauder Shields and Jessica Merizan!

I still would be really pleased when IDT is true and believe in it ^^ cause for me it is the only possible way to keep the endings and fill a lot of plot wholes =).

OK, just making sure.

I only was summing up what waldstr. thinks about us ^^

OK, I just couldn't quite get what you were saying.  It may have been a problem on my part.

[FreshRevenge]

do you think Bioware should listen to fans about the indoctrination theory if they haven't or previously intended the ending to be about indoctrination?

I think there is enough evidence or good reason why the indoctrination theory could work in their favor. It makes the most sense and can easily fix a lot of plotholes!

[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

its night time here.

Well then why aren't you in bed? Don't make me get the hose

OK, let's try not to kill each other here.  

Let's just hope she can fit the emergency induction port in the slot. 

[Aethgeir]

This is a terrible idea.  It’s clearly little more than a fan-fiction attempt to cope with ME3’s disappointing ending.
Its proponents sound like religious fanatics or conspiracy buffs: holding up plot holes, inconsistencies and minute details as ‘evidence’ that BioWare was planning this all along.  They completely ignore the fact that this idea comes with its own set of plot holes and inconsistencies.
In reality this is just a weak attempt to smooth out the plot holes, inconsistencies and illogical nonsense of the ME3’s current ending  in the vain hope that ‘it was all just a bad dream’ and ‘the REAL ending is coming in a DLC’.
The worst thing about it though, is that it validates the existing bad ending while completely ignoring what actually makes bad in first place:

• Shepard’s mission still ultimately fails.
• Shepard’s decisions still don’t matter.
• The illusion of choice is still shattered.
• Mass Effect's greatest strength is still lost: Indoctrination theory doesn’t make players want to replay the game anymore than the current ending does.

I sincerely, hope that BioWare doesn’t cave to a bad idea that could make the ending even worse.
The dropped ‘Dark Energy Plot’ has far more promise for improving the ending than ‘indoctrination theory’ does and it requires only the smallest changes to the existing ending.  I’ve posted details on my BioWare social network blog:
 http://social.biowar...entry_id=212578
The idea was largely inspired by this article:
http://doycetesterma...tistic-process/

[Jadebaby]

Dwailing wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

hey guys, since when has this thread had a bioware sticker on it?

One of the guys from the Dragon Age team a Mister... Schumacher, I think, popped by.  That's what gave us the sticker.

Thought it might have been him, been doing some forum splurging of late.

Did he say anything interesting? Is he on board with Indoc? Or is he a GBGriffin?

[Vahilor]

Probably my skills in writing get a bit down cause I'm tired.. It allways starts with misspelling a lot and having a hard time to get the stuff written down so they sound reasonable ^^

[waldstr18]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 waldstr18 wrote 
"im talking about the ones who call people stupid for not recognizing the 50 clues in the game."

Do you not see the hypocrisy of what you're doing? I've been on the other threads, and I.T. people DON'T go in them unless they are calling out I.T. people, with some minor detail like "Shepard is on the citadel!!!"
Two wrongs don't make a right. How about you make your own thread about something you think is wrong about IT and we can debate there.

dont you think there would be a lot of threads then, which could all be combined in here? also i would feel quite self involved making such a thread. no one would post, cause who cares about the indoctrination theory anymore except you guys?

the hypocrisy i dont understand. the thing with the 50 clues in the game and the being stupid for not recognizing them has actually been said in here. so what so hypocritical about that? does it matter where it has been posted?

This is a huge thread that has more views per page than the "we can't get the ending..." When you say "you guys" you're talking to a fairly large ****** of the fanbase of the fan base. If you look at all the surveys you see that I.T. is preffered to a face value ending. Indoct theory is even on the mass effect reddit quite frequently.

idt is an easy way out, but not the thing i have a problem with. the thing i dont believe is that bioware planned it from the start or at all for that matter. i also find it unlikely for them to use the indoctrination theory. but who know, maybe they will and maybe they are even going to say the planned it. i still wouldnt believe it then, but i would have to take the gloating from the fanatic guys all the same.

[estebanus]

Aethgeir wrote...

This is a terrible idea.  It’s clearly little more than a fan-fiction attempt to cope with ME3’s disappointing ending.
Its proponents sound like religious fanatics or conspiracy buffs: holding up plot holes, inconsistencies and minute details as ‘evidence’ that BioWare was planning this all along.  They completely ignore the fact that this idea comes with its own set of plot holes and inconsistencies.
In reality this is just a weak attempt to smooth out the plot holes, inconsistencies and illogical nonsense of the ME3’s current ending  in the vain hope that ‘it was all just a bad dream’ and ‘the REAL ending is coming in a DLC’.
The worst thing about it though, is that it validates the existing bad ending while completely ignoring what actually makes bad in first place:

• Shepard’s mission still ultimately fails.
• Shepard’s decisions still don’t matter.
• The illusion of choice is still shattered.
• Mass Effect's greatest strength is still lost: Indoctrination theory doesn’t make players want to replay the game anymore than the current ending does.

I sincerely, hope that BioWare doesn’t cave to a bad idea that could make the ending even worse.
The dropped ‘Dark Energy Plot’ has far more promise for improving the ending than ‘indoctrination theory’ does and it requires only the smallest changes to the existing ending.  I’ve posted details on my BioWare social network blog:
 http://social.biowar...entry_id=212578
The idea was largely inspired by this article:
http://doycetesterma...tistic-process/

[*]   
[*]Thanks for your feedback! What else did you like about the indoctrination theory?

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

called no one an idiot. also i was just checking everything is as usual in here. im actually trying to keep from posting too much, since people get called troll very quickly these days.

oh, and if you dont like to be called hard believers, maybe you should believe so hard. (if that makes any sense).

No it actually doesn't make sense.

[Dwailing]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

hey guys, since when has this thread had a bioware sticker on it?

One of the guys from the Dragon Age team a Mister... Schumacher, I think, popped by.  That's what gave us the sticker.

Thought it might have been him, been doing some forum splurging of late.

Did he say anything interesting? Is he on board with Indoc? Or is he a GBGriffin?

He approves of IT, but he didn't have any secret Bioware information he could disclose as he is part of a different team.

[blueboxblues]

lex0r11 wrote...

This one is appropriate in so many situations.

[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

This is a huge thread that has more views per page than the "we can't get the ending..." When you say "you guys" you're talking to a fairly large ****** of the fanbase of the fan base. If you look at all the surveys you see that I.T. is preffered to a face value ending. Indoct theory is even on the mass effect reddit quite frequently.

Well, for having seen how many pages were not really on topic but mostly about "trolling", I'm not sure that the total number of pages of a thred is representative of any big or bigger part of the "fanbase".

The problem I have with IT theory been thrown around without proper arguments to support its many facets makes me think some of its tenants do not care to defend it properly, and are taking the stance it is "firmly established" as an argument against its weakest components. Last time I poked around here, people were debating with arguments based or reasonably extrapolated from game content. I hope it's still possible.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 12 avril 2012 - 08:05 .

[waldstr18]

balance5050 wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

called no one an idiot. also i was just checking everything is as usual in here. im actually trying to keep from posting too much, since people get called troll very quickly these days.

oh, and if you dont like to be called hard believers, maybe you should believe so hard. (if that makes any sense).

No it actually doesn't make sense.

oh, that should be "shouldnt believe so hard". better now?