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[Dilandau3000]

bozonbob wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

bozonbob wrote...

I just checked on the PC and after completing a run through I have a new save game called LegendSave.pcsav.  I don't have a similar save for the other character I only played several hours on.  So maybe this LegendSave is what a DLC would use?

The timestamp on my LegendSave.pcsav file is three hours before I beat the game. It appears to be the save file the game uses to return you to the point before attacking Cerberus after the credit.

The only file with a timestamp matching when I finished the game is NewGamePlusSave.pcsav.

So the NewGamePlusSave could be used?  I did all 3 endings and only have 1 file by that name.  Do you have different timestamps on it depending on how long it took to beat?  What if you did all three endings and checked what the elapsed time for each was?  If it only matched the destroy ending than maybe that is some sort of conformation?

I'm referring to the "file modified" time as shown in Windows Explorer, not time playing in the game. I happen to know exactly when I finished the game because I finished it just minutes before I was supposed to call someone on Skype, and the file time of NewGamePlusSave.pcsav matches it exactly.

If you have only one file for finishing the game multiple times, it either gets overwritten by the last ending you used or it adds it to it. That's assuming it records the choice at all, which we don't know. The file is used to indicate you completed the game and records your final stats and equipment, but we don't know if the ending is in there at all. If no continuation was planned there's no reason for it to be.

I guess we have to wait for a gibbed save file editor for ME3 before we know if the choice gets recorded (I have the skills but nowhere near the time to figure that out by myself, unfortunately).

[Linus108]

xDarkspace wrote...

Linus108 wrote...

I find hallucination/dream theories to be two things:

I. Fans trying to explain away a disappointing story, with hopes that it had a deeper meaning than it actually did. Or the hope that the real story will be told at a later time.

II. A terrible plot device. Even if people really think this is a viable theory (and it turned out to be true), it would be one of the worst writing decisions in game history. Okay, maybe that is overstating it. But how awful would it be, to with hold the ending from everyone, and give them a dream sequence instead.

Either way, I think it's wishful thinking.

Your Indoctrinated!

I actually think the indocrtination theory isn't that bad. I guess I should have read the thread more closely. But again, the problem I would have with this kind of theory is that there is no real evidence or basis for it. If this is realyl what the writers wanted for the story, they should have mad that clear. 

That would be my only thing. 

[MissMaster_2]

magikbbg wrote...

Anyone notice The Child who claims to be the catalyst, his voice has reverb just like harbinger, listen very carefully.

(making sure im not crazy if anyone can confirm please do)

Yeah.

[aquaticidioticus]

J717 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

One thing I missed from the ending were some Geth Collosus kicking some ass like the one on Haelstrom, or the ones in the original run for the conduit. Geth should play a bigger role in the intergalactic fight on London.

The Rachni were nowhere to be seen either, other than helping with the crucible...but considering that they were a fairly advanced, space-faring civilization...and the fact that we technically saved them *TWICE*, you'd think we would have seen them play a much larger role.

I was especially hoping to ride my Shepard in on a bada** Rachni and do some damage - because, why not?  But no dice.  I was also upset that there were no Geth fighting by my side, as far as I could tell.  They missed the mark on that one or missed a chance to really make the last battle at least look epic.  

I did like seeing the Turians, Krogans, and Asari kicking butt (even minimally) - but it would have been super awesome to get that extra umph in there with the rest of the acquired fleet.  I mean, I even wanted to see the Batarians ugly mugs again. Unless I somehow missed that.  

Modifié par aquaticidioticus, 12 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[xGhost4000x]

Lugaidster wrote...



Here's harbinger, it's the same as the one that land in the Earth.

Sovereign was mch cooler than Harbringer

 

Modifié par xGhost4000x, 12 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[Lugaidster]

xGhost4000x wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...



Here's harbinger, it's the same as the one that land in the Earth.

Soverieng was mch cooler than Harbringer

 

1000000000% agree. Sovereign's voice >>>>>> Harbinger's

[XCMichael]

Linus108 wrote...

I find hallucination/dream theories to be two things:

I. Fans trying to explain away a disappointing story, with hopes that it had a deeper meaning than it actually did. Or the hope that the real story will be told at a later time.

II. A terrible plot device. Even if people really think this is a viable theory (and it turned out to be true), it would be one of the worst writing decisions in game history. Okay, maybe that is overstating it. But how awful would it be, to with hold the ending from everyone, and give them a dream sequence instead.

Either way, I think it's wishful thinking.

That is a matter of perpective. I personally love that idea, provided Bioware can justify it and not decide to charge us for it, which would ignite an inferno of fan rage. "What? So you already decided what the "real" ending was and was going to add it later? So does that mean you already decided to charge us extra for the ending before the game even came out?" or even worse "No, we thought of the ending later. It's an extra", basically taking the idea from the player and charging us for it. They just can't really justify charging for another ending if this hypothesis is true.

Again, like you said, it might just be (VERY) wishful thinking:bandit:

Modifié par XCMichael, 12 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[xDarkspace]

Linus108 wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

Linus108 wrote...

I find hallucination/dream theories to be two things:

I. Fans trying to explain away a disappointing story, with hopes that it had a deeper meaning than it actually did. Or the hope that the real story will be told at a later time.

II. A terrible plot device. Even if people really think this is a viable theory (and it turned out to be true), it would be one of the worst writing decisions in game history. Okay, maybe that is overstating it. But how awful would it be, to with hold the ending from everyone, and give them a dream sequence instead.

Either way, I think it's wishful thinking.

Your Indoctrinated!

I actually think the indocrtination theory isn't that bad. I guess I should have read the thread more closely. But again, the problem I would have with this kind of theory is that there is no real evidence or basis for it. If this is realyl what the writers wanted for the story, they should have mad that clear. 

That would be my only thing. 

even if they did **** up they should just uses this anyway bioware ea and gamers benifit from it

[balance5050]

WvStolzing wrote...

XCMichael wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

mabye shep saw the movie and its his subconcusses ****ing with him lol

So, moral of the day: "don't watch the Matrix or you will get indoctrinated"?

No, I'd say the moral of the day is that people who write 'savior' stories feel compelled to indulge in biblical parallelisms----and although there are ways of doing this well, it can very easily degenerate into banal nonsense. And besides: Superheroes and soldiers shouldn't really be playing Jesus; I mean......we've had a kung-fu fighting Jesus, a badass spacemarine Jesus, and even Batman taking a Jesus-like stance at the end of Arkham City.

How about some mere mortals saving other mere mortals?

I want the parallelism to go along with the matrix to show that it is "another form of control" or indoctrination.

The story is about inner resolve, and believing in your friends. If you synthesis or control, you are just as bad as the reapers in that you dont trust civilization to make it's own decisions and truly defend themselves.

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[Lugaidster]

"Confidence born of ignorance. The cycle cannot be broken." -- Sovereign (Such a badass!!)

[Linus108]

XCMichael wrote...

Linus108 wrote...

I find hallucination/dream theories to be two things:

I. Fans trying to explain away a disappointing story, with hopes that it had a deeper meaning than it actually did. Or the hope that the real story will be told at a later time.

II. A terrible plot device. Even if people really think this is a viable theory (and it turned out to be true), it would be one of the worst writing decisions in game history. Okay, maybe that is overstating it. But how awful would it be, to with hold the ending from everyone, and give them a dream sequence instead.

Either way, I think it's wishful thinking.

That is a matter of perpective. I persoally love that idea, provided Bioware can justify it and not decide to charge us for it, which would ignite an inferno of fan rage. "What? So you already decided what the "real" ending was and was going to add it later? So does that mean you already decided to charge us extra for the ending before the game even came out?" or even worse "No, we thought of the ending later. It's an extra", basically taking the idea from the player and charging us for it. They just can't really justify charging for another ending if this hypothesis is true.

Again, like you said, it might just be (VERY) wishful thinking:bandit:

I dropped the ball on this one. I misread what a lot of people were talking about, and thought people were generally saying Shepard was knocked unconcious outside of the beam. And was having a dream. And that the game ends with him/her waking up from the dream in the rubble. 

But reading more closely, I see there is a big favor of the Indoctrination theory, and that's what you guys mean by the hallucination. I actually like this theory. But again have some issues with it, from a logistical point of view. 

Plus I still feel the writers failed to convey this (if this is what they were going for). 

Modifié par Linus108, 12 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[Ashilana]

Lugaidster wrote...
Then again, I can almost feel the taste of desperation as well .

It is odd to find myself hoping we will be forced to buy a dlc if we want a real ending. 

I bought a collecter's edition and laughed at the claim that the prothean wasn't core to the game (he is far more integrated into the story than the virmire survivor)... but I loved ME games and was more than happy to spend for another character and a few more weapons.

But no real ending unless you pay for it?  It leaves me feeling conflicted.  A tiny voice wants me to hold out hope that the leaking of the script last year forced them to rush a new ending... and that maybe they will salvage the game with a dlc.  But the line between hope and desperation is pretty thin.

[EPiC x Redpanda]

Im surprised no one has talked about after credits with stargazer when the kid says "did that really happen" and stargazer says "some of the details have been lost in time, it all happened so very long ago."
could this be a point? i dont know im just mindf*cked right now.

[Lugaidster]

Ashilana wrote...
But the line between hope and desperation is pretty thin.

Yup... I just hope that I'm not crossing it.

[XCMichael]

[quote]Ashilana wrote...

[quote]Lugaidster wrote...
But the line between hope and desperation is pretty thin.
[/quote]

Same with greatness and utter crap apparently

[El Diablo]

Im fine with the hallucination theory though from a gameplay technical perspective i have a problem with the Indoctrination theory quite a few put forth.

There is some sense in the whole idea that the Destroy ending is resisting indoctrination, however it isn't like this fact is at all clearly signalled. Now, most people, myself included, probaly aren't going to think that hard on the scene. It is handled as most of the Moral choices in the game are. Now if it is true that the destroy ending is the only path te resist indoctrination, The writers are pretty much saying to everyone who didn't choose that option: "Hah You fool, we tricked you. you should have been smarter, now you lose the game" (well unless you for some reason want the reapers to win)

This is a pretty unfair and unkind bit of game design. Unless they change it so that their is more of a warning that you are being tricked.

Modifié par El Diablo, 12 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[Bfler]

The end feels like some kind of manipulation or test and not hallucination. The blue and the green choices seems to be the good solutions because they end the threat through the Reapers but in reality they area victory of the Reapers.
Furthermore isn't green the option that is described by the kid as end of the cycle? The Reapers assimilate higher developed cultures.
And red is the good solution and the end which we see in a possible DLC because Shepard wasn't manipulated.The story with the death of the Geth and Edi was only a trick and in reality this destroys only the Reapers. It would declare why Shepard as some kind of Cyborg is still alive at the end.

[MissMaster_2]

Even if they leave the ending open with out a DLC I'm good with that, I'll just make up my own ish'

[ceruleancrescent]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Could this whole situation be why(I think Chris) said we should play the game fresh first , then import and play-through again because this true ending might be revealed.

[xGhost4000x]

Lugaidster wrote...

xGhost4000x wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...



Here's harbinger, it's the same as the one that land in the Earth.

Soverieng was mch cooler than Harbringer

 

1000000000% agree. Sovereign's voice >>>>>> Harbinger's

He also had better lines

 "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."  

 "In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant. We simply... are.  "

"Your words are as empty as your future. I am the Vanguard of your destruction. This exchange is over...  "

Modifié par xGhost4000x, 12 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[Lugaidster]

If Bioware did pull this stunt on us, it certainly would be a polemic one. However, it would ensure their place in the annals of videogame history. After all, we live very short lives. Our only hope of survival is to ensure we're not forgotten.

[Lugaidster]

xGhost4000x wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

xGhost4000x wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...



Here's harbinger, it's the same as the one that land in the Earth.

Soverieng was mch cooler than Harbringer

 

1000000000% agree. Sovereign's voice >>>>>> Harbinger's

He also had better lines

 "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding."  

 "In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant. We simply... are.  "

"Your words are as empty as your future. I am the Vanguard of your destruction. This exchange is over...  "

And for 5 years I thought I was going to be the vanguard of their destruction... I'm still waiting...

[lavosslayer]

El Diablo wrote...

Im fine with the hallucination theory though from a gameplay technical perspective i have a problem with the Indoctrination theory quite a few put forth.

There is some sense in the whole idea that the Destroy ending is resisting indoctrination, however it isn't like this fact is at all clearly signalled. Now, most people, myself included, probaly aren't going to think that hard on the scene. It is handled as most of the Moral choices in the game are. Now if it is true that the destroy ending is the only path te resist indoctrination, The writers are pretty much saying to everyone who didn't choose that option: "Hah You fool, we tricked you. you should have been smarter, now you lose the game" (well unless you for some reason want the reapers to win)

This is a pretty unfair and unkind bit of game design. Unless they change it so that their is more of a warning that you are being tricked.

I think that would be the most amazing con ever! That the devs were able to indoctrinate that many of us...we would so be mindless husks if ME really was happening lol

[Dilandau3000]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

magikbbg wrote...

Anyone notice The Child who claims to be the catalyst, his voice has reverb just like harbinger, listen very carefully.

(making sure im not crazy if anyone can confirm please do)

Yeah.

My theory is that he was a reaper. I think that millions of years ago, there was a war between synthetics and organics, and the synthetics won and annihilated their creators. They regretted that in hindsight, yet believed that ultimately every synthetic being would repeat their mistake (and probably feel vindicated in that belief by events witnessed during that time). They upgraded themselves to become reapers to prevent that from happening, and to preserve organic life to "atone" for their mistake. The starchild is simply an avatar (a VI if you will) speaking for these proto-reapers.

It explains why the reapers couldn't understand that organics can't accept the form of "salvation" offered by the reapers (they're reasoning it from a synthetic perspective). It explains why there is no contradiction in creating the reapers (who are synthetic life) to achieve this goal, because the creators of the reapers are the reapers and themselves synthetic. It explains pretty much everything except the Normandy crash landing WTF stuff.

I further believe that the starchild didn't want you to destroy the reapers, which is why that was painted as the worst option. It didn't want that because it was part of what the reapers were. It promotes synthesis because that's what the reapers wanted to achieve from the beginning: merging organic and synthetic life in order to preserve both. It's just that with the help of the crucible and shepard they can now achieve it in a more instantaneous fashion.

I also believe that the only reason the geth and EDI get destroyed in the destroy ending is because they incorporate reaper tech (wasn't Shepard's Project Lazarus rebuild also based on reaper tech?). The idea of destroying all synthetic life is impossible, because it's too vague what that even is. I can't believe that the geth, who were pure software constructs and not even a true AI, would've been destroyed if they had still been in their pre-reaper upgrade state. The idea that all technology gets destroyed is even more ludicrous.

Besides the Normandy crash landing my explanation makes as much sense as the hallucination thing.

[krystalevenstar]

I think the people saying that Bioware isn't good enough/couldn't pull this off should really take a look at what they're saying. We're talking about the same people that created this world, crafted each of the games, including this one which everyone pretty much agrees is utterly fantastic until the last 10 minutes. They have more invested in this than even we do. This is their baby. They wouldn't undermine everything they've accomplished with the lackluster ending we have now. All of the evidence we've compiled isn't 'just coincidence' anymore, and we're not scrambling to find things to make this fit. They're not going to say "Hey, look at what these people came up with, let's run with that!" This was planned. There's a clear, deliberate and methodical, cohesive way to follow it to this conclusion. It was easy to say that they might have just missed these things and since this makes so much sense they'd go with it in the beginning, but there is just too many things that fit now. If all the people in this thread have come up with this conclusion from what we've discovered, do you really think that after X amount of years of development, no one on the ME team noticed these things?

THIS IS DELIBERATE.

And it's brilliant.

It will go down not only as one of the greatest game series in history, but the greatest reveal for the ending of that series.

Mass Effect could never go out on a whimper, it's going to go out on an earthshattering bang. Just like it should.