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[Arian Dynas]

Spartas Husky wrote...

schneeland wrote...


Regarding the impossibility of indoctrination - while recon might be a little more active, I had the impression there was still a lot of denial at the beginning of ME3. But then, maybe the reapers just didn't expect too much resistance, and thus considered slower strategies to victory a waste of energy and time.

Politicians were in denial.

Some of the STG took it to heart. They have pull. Specters heeded our advice. They got pull.

The Previous shadbow broker knew. Regardless of his agenda he had pull.

Anderson, Hacket. Matriarch friends. Rachni agents. friends of Shiala. Most Krogan or at least those in power.

At large the population might have been oblivious. Politicians by default are in denial. Military intelligence officers weren't. That much we know. And that is who you need to indoctrinate.

Though... to be fair, indoctrinating politicians doesn't hurt...>.>

[Falloutwarfare]

@Arian Dynas when it comes to the turians and krogans, politicians and military leaders are pretty much the same thing but for humans and such politics can dictate how much funds and resources go to the war effort and how well each race co-operates with each other.. so you are correct

edit: also goodnight so do me a favour and HOLD THAT LINE!  

Modifié par Falloutwarfare, 13 avril 2012 - 10:49 .

[Kyzee]

 Okay, so after yet another playthrough--yeah, this game is soooo terrible that I keep replaying it --two observations (which may or may not have been mentioned already).

#1: StarChild's speech is just reeks of Reaper propaganda.

#2: The ramp leading up to the Citadel/Crucible/whatever area, and the ramp that leads up to TIM's room in Cronos station gave me serious deja vu. Long, sharp angle revealing a stand with displays, in front of orange/red lighting . . . way, way too similar for my comfort level.

And finally, in regards to indoctrinating politicians, there's only one probelm with that strategy--if the politician in question is CORY BOOKER!



 Sorry, I've been reading #CoryBookerStories on Twitter; couldn't resist. Okay, real life politics out of the conversation, now.

Modifié par Kyzee, 13 avril 2012 - 11:05 .

[schneeland]

@Kyzee:
Masochistic tendencies?

Anyway, I'm not sure whether #2 has been mentioned. The resemblance indeed a bit startling - most probably another fragment from which Shepard builds up his/her reality in the last 10 minutes.
Or maybe we never left TIM's base - which would be nice because I didn't like the London mission too much; but I guess that's not very likely from a meta gaming perspective.

[Kyzee]

schneeland wrote...

@Kyzee:
Masochistic tendencies?

Anyway, I'm not sure whether #2 has been mentioned. The resemblance indeed a bit startling - most probably another fragment from which Shepard builds up his/her reality in the last 10 minutes.
Or maybe we never left TIM's base - which would be nice because I didn't like the London mission too much; but I guess that's not very likely from a meta gaming perspective.

Heh. Or so smitten by IDT that it makes the endings tolerable. (Seriously, if BioWare doesn't have a satisfactory ending, I will still dub it my head canon. Denial ain't just a river . . .) 

And you didn't like the London mission? It was some of the most intense battling I've ever experienced--a love/hate relationship for me, personally. (Multiple Banshees can always go to hell, IMHO.) 

[Rifneno]

Beastpwnguy7 wrote...

I'm not sure if this has already been discussed or not but I didn't see it in the OP so I'll put it here

I found that even if you have a high ems and pick the destroy option at the end, if you let the illusive man kill Anderson, you do net get that Shepard takes a breath scene. For me this, on top of bleeding from the same spot you shot Anderson, supports even further that Anderson is a part of Shepard somehow, but I dunno just thought this was interesting haha

If you let TIM kill Anderson, you need 5000 EMS to survive. If you stop TIM then you only need 4000. Why? Hell if I know.

byne wrote...

I figure since the Salarians have shorter lifespans, they probably evolved faster. They were likely non-sapient when the Protheans were around, so wouldnt have recorded the prothean encounters or anything.

Javik seems surprised that the Salarians are a spacefaring species, but doesnt seem too surprised that turians, asari, humans, or quarians are.

Edit: I'm not exactly an evolutionary biologist or anything though, so I may be full of crap

Nope, you're 100% correct. Evolution happens faster for short lived organisms. That's why bacteria become immune to antibiotics. The incredibly short lifespan of a bacteria has them adjusting to enviormental changes in days or week when it would take us thousands of years.

[schneeland]

Kyzee wrote...
[...]

And you didn't like the London mission? It was some of the most intense battling I've ever experienced--a love/hate relationship for me, personally. (Multiple Banshees can always go to hell, IMHO.) 

Well, most of the battles as such were ok. In fact, the Brutes and Banshees right before the rocket launching pad were quite close to rip me apart when I decided to sprint and kind of push the button with my last breath - but that was actually one of the few scenes I really liked.
Most of the mission felt so ... sterile. I guess, it was just my imagination, but after seeing the Take Back Earth video, I expected that there would be lots of gear, lots of soldiers and gazillions of bullets and plasma beams cutting the air - or at least a last desperate charge of the Light Brigade.
It just didn't really feel like a large-scale war.
But then, I guess, I am a little unfair, because that's possibly not achievable with the current game engine.

[Cecilia L]

IT - I want to believe

[bobnice31]

I have a question, the illusive man was trying to use the reaper indoctrination against the reapers and reverse it to control the reapers, this was the reason for his experiments turning people into husks with reaper tech on sanctuary . So once his experiments were successful he uses them on Shepard and Anderson in the end, not realizing Harbinger was in control of him the entire time due to him being indoctrinated because of all the time he spent exposed to Reaper technology. My question is, the way indoctrination works is one has to be under the influence of indoctrination in order to be controlled, so how is the illusive man even able to control Shepard and Anderson unless they ARE already indoctrinated?

Modifié par bobnice31, 14 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[IronSabbath88]

I don't ever recall people being able to control someone even if they ARE indoctrinated. I do not think that's possible at all.

I took the experiments as TIM trying to see if you could control the husks and such.

[TheDarkPal]

Guys!!!

Found this...

Don't know if old news, but I think is interesting at least...

Looks like the Starchild... A LOT.

The pic was taken in the Docks Holding Area of the Citadel.

Seems bad news for IT (I'm a full IT Supporter btw)




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[Hawk227]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I don't ever recall people being able to control someone even if they ARE indoctrinated. I do not think that's possible at all.

I took the experiments as TIM trying to see if you could control the husks and such.

Yeah, he was trying to subvert the frequencies the reapers use to send commands, etc. It was a means to control reaper ground forces and if scaled up (with the crucible, presumably) to control the Reapers themselves. It should never have worked on Shepard and Anderson, unless they were husks.

[Big Bad]

Spartas Husky wrote...

schneeland wrote...


I'm not arguing with most of your points - however, I'd still say, the reapers could have gone more of their previous route, probably relying more on indoctrination to weaken our defenses.

Also: are we really sure dead humans help? In ME2 it seemed more like liquefaction was used only on living humans. And I'm inclined not to trust the things we see post Harbinger-beam too much.

When you get turned into paste, alive or dead you end up the same.

The guys in the collector base turned to paste, end up dead. I imagine they just need us to not dicompose. That easily done with their weird hive like places. I bet they got some paste to keep people from dicomposing.

I'm a Masters student studying biology (not that that means I know anything!), and one thing I can tell you about DNA is that it degrades really fast once an organism is dead.  In order to effectively collect DNA, you must either keep the specimen alive as long as possible or find a way to preserve the body (very high proof alcohol, extremely cold freezers, etc.).  So if the Reapers want to collect human DNA, keeping the humans alive as long as possible would be a good way to do it.

[liggy002]

TheDarkPal wrote...

Guys!!!

Found this...

Don't know if old news, but I think is interesting at least...

Looks like the Starchild... A LOT.

The pic was taken in the Docks Holding Area of the Citadel.

Seems bad news for IT (I'm a full IT Supporter btw)




Uploaded with ImageShack.us

That doesn't necessarily mean anything.  It could just be a reproduction of  a stock image Bioware uses for human boys.

[bobnice31]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I don't ever recall people being able to control someone even if they ARE indoctrinated. I do not think that's possible at all.

I took the experiments as TIM trying to see if you could control the husks and such.

You're right I shoulve clearified:

My question is, the way indoctrination works is one has to be under the influence of indoctrination in order to be controlled by reapers Example:  (Saren had become indoctrinated by spending too much time aboard the reaper sovereign as is also true with the scientist who were reseaching Sovereign in the Book Mass Effect Revelation), Also Dr Kenson became Indoctrinated by being exposed to the Reaper Artifact Object Rho in the DLC "The Arrival."  So we see the method of how Indoctrination works as a person has to be exposed to some sort of Reaper tech in order to become indoctrinated, it is then possible for the Reapers to controll this infected person.  So how is the illusive man through his experiments even able to control Shepard and Anderson unless they HAVE already been indoctrinated?

Modifié par bobnice31, 14 avril 2012 - 12:41 .

[SirLugash]

What really bothers me about the ending is the lack of detail.
I mean, pretty much everything about the Mass Effect universe is described in the codex or novels...
What the Mass Effect is, how Mass Relays work, how Biotics work etc, everything written down pretty detailed.
But the end screws this over entirely, but well, who am I telling this, right ? ^^

What I really wanted to bringt up:
I was just reading some Codex entries and under The Reapers is the section "Reaper Variants" which describes the four basic reaper form.
Capital Ships
Destroyer
Troop Transports
Processors

We saw Capital Ships and Destroyers, but we haven't seen Troop Transports or Processors, have we ?

[IronSabbath88]

I cannot BELIEVE there are people who say they won't play the FREE DLC.

Are people that mad? Seriously? I don't consider them a fan if they don't have the decency to give BioWare a shot at the cost of NOTHING.

[Aanlen]

liggy002 wrote...

TheDarkPal wrote...

Guys!!!

Found this...

Don't know if old news, but I think is interesting at least...

Looks like the Starchild... A LOT.

The pic was taken in the Docks Holding Area of the Citadel.

Seems bad news for IT (I'm a full IT Supporter btw)




Uploaded with ImageShack.us

That doesn't necessarily mean anything.  It could just be a reproduction of  a stock image Bioware uses for human boys.

How is this bad news? Shepard sees the boy everywhere. Seing a picture of him doesnt make him more real than seing him play with a ship in the start of the game.

[IronSabbath88]

That picture also says the very... undescriptive "Last Seen on Earth"

Boy that really narrows it down, don't it? lol

[byne]

TheDarkPal wrote...

Guys!!!

Found this...

Don't know if old news, but I think is interesting at least...

Looks like the Starchild... A LOT.

The pic was taken in the Docks Holding Area of the Citadel.

Seems bad news for IT (I'm a full IT Supporter btw)




Uploaded with ImageShack.us

I like how one of the pictures of the missing people is a volus wearing his full environmental suit.

Thats really helpful.

[IronSabbath88]

I hope that's not Niftu Cal

[Arian Dynas]

TheDarkPal wrote...

Guys!!!

Found this...

Don't know if old news, but I think is interesting at least...

Looks like the Starchild... A LOT.

The pic was taken in the Docks Holding Area of the Citadel.

Seems bad news for IT (I'm a full IT Supporter btw)



Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Note the text reads; "Last seen on Earth." As in no confirmation of death. Meaning more than likely this gives an indication that the kid when we first see him in the first minute of gameplay was real. After that, he disappears. Though this DOES settle the issue of whether the child was ever real or not. Apparently the Reapers are lazy enough that they chose a real kid for the template.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

TheDarkPal wrote...

Guys!!!

Found this...

Don't know if old news, but I think is interesting at least...

Looks like the Starchild... A LOT.

The pic was taken in the Docks Holding Area of the Citadel.

Seems bad news for IT (I'm a full IT Supporter btw)



Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Note the text reads; "Last seen on Earth." As in no confirmation of death. Meaning more than likely this gives an indication that the kid when we first see him in the first minute of gameplay was real. After that, he disappears. Though this DOES settle the issue of whether the child was ever real or not. Apparently the Reapers are lazy enough that they chose a real kid for the template.

I've always figured the kid was real the first time we see him, mostly because I've known about that picture since like the day the game came out. I figure he probably wasnt real when we see him in the vent though, because even if he was real when you see him run into that room, I dont see how anything could survive the explosion the Reaper laser caused in that room.

[TheDarkPal]

Honestly I don't know what to think anymore....

[RADIUMEYEZ]

TheDarkPal wrote...

Guys!!!

Found this...

Don't know if old news, but I think is interesting at least...

Looks like the Starchild... A LOT.

The pic was taken in the Docks Holding Area of the Citadel.

Seems bad news for IT (I'm a full IT Supporter btw)




Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Doesn't necessarily mean anything I personally think the kid was real till he either died in the shuttle or in that building. After he died he is just being used by the Reapers to guilt Shepard into submission basically. So it would make sense then for someone to put a picture of him there in remembrance.

Modifié par RADIUMEYEZ, 14 avril 2012 - 01:13 .