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spotlessvoid wrote...

My mother had no idea what she had rented for me on that one.
Optimus Prime dying was sad, but I wasn't oblivious to death. Watership Down blew my mind like a Krogan Headbutt. (Shepard excluded)


Ah, Watership Down, the unintended traumatiser of many a young soul.

They actually showed it to us when I was in Junior School... about aged 9. I don't think the Teachers screened it beforehand.

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Witcher 2 is M rated and you see... a lot. As in, carpet doesn't match the drapes type of lot. As Byne said, they should have just not put the camera there if they didn't want to show anything. Nobody showers with a goddamn bra on.


I know, I've seen that scene. But you must remember. They're Norweigan... Europe has a very diffrent veiw on sex in well, just about anything. A better one IMO, goddamn fundies. And the simpler explanation as for why the underwear... well it stays in place and is alot easier to code than fog. And I kinda DID get the feeling that it was fanservice to some extent.


Who? Geralt is from Rivia, CD-Projekt Red from Poland...

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Ravel1992 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Witcher 2 is M rated and you see... a lot. As in, carpet doesn't match the drapes type of lot. As Byne said, they should have just not put the camera there if they didn't want to show anything. Nobody showers with a goddamn bra on.


I know, I've seen that scene. But you must remember. They're Norweigan... Europe has a very diffrent veiw on sex in well, just about anything. A better one IMO, goddamn fundies. And the simpler explanation as for why the underwear... well it stays in place and is alot easier to code than fog. And I kinda DID get the feeling that it was fanservice to some extent.


Who? Geralt is from Rivia, CD-Projekt Red from Poland...


Whoops. I thought CD-Projekt was a Norweigan company. Apologies.

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Speaking of Krogan headbutts, I am enjoying the wonderful voice of my favorite voice actor of all time;

Steve Blum :)


Grunt?

Edit: Just looked it up. That man has done a lot of va work

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Rifneno wrote...

Witcher 2 is M rated and you see... a lot. As in, carpet doesn't match the drapes type of lot. As Byne said, they should have just not put the camera there if they didn't want to show anything. Nobody showers with a goddamn bra on.


I know, I've seen that scene. But you must remember. They're Norweigan... Europe has a very diffrent veiw on sex in well, just about anything. A better one IMO, goddamn fundies. And the simpler explanation as for why the underwear... well it stays in place and is alot easier to code than fog. And I kinda DID get the feeling that it was fanservice to some extent.


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Europe is awesome btw.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...



Speaking of Krogan headbutts, I am enjoying the wonderful voice of my favorite voice actor of all time;

Steve Blum :)


Grunt?


As well as Wilson, Crewman Matthews, the Shadow Broker, Brother-Sergeant Cyrus, Wolverine, Spike Speigel, General Todoh, TOM, Sanjuro (the original, not ours), Oghren, First Enchanter Irving, Gorim, Andronikos Revel, Baron Deathmark, Techmarine Martellus and many, MANY more.

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...

It's quiet...

TOO quiet...

*runs about the thread wearing nothing but a rubber chicken waving a cutlass over his head*

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As well as Wilson, Crewman Matthews, the Shadow Broker, Brother-Sergeant Cyrus, Wolverine, Spike Speigel, General Todoh, TOM, Sanjuro (the original, not ours), Oghren, First Enchanter Irving, Gorim, Andronikos Revel, Baron Deathmark, Techmarine Martellus and many, MANY more.


Ah, good old Techmarine Martellus ... too bad he switched sides.

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schneeland wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

[...]

As well as Wilson, Crewman Matthews, the Shadow Broker, Brother-Sergeant Cyrus, Wolverine, Spike Speigel, General Todoh, TOM, Sanjuro (the original, not ours), Oghren, First Enchanter Irving, Gorim, Andronikos Revel, Baron Deathmark, Techmarine Martellus and many, MANY more.


Ah, good old Techmarine Martellus ... too bad he switched sides.


Not according to Retribution. The canon traitor is Avitus. The Force Commander was sent on a penance crusade into the Eye of Terror for 100 years.

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schneeland wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

[...]

As well as Wilson, Crewman Matthews, the Shadow Broker, Brother-Sergeant Cyrus, Wolverine, Spike Speigel, General Todoh, TOM, Sanjuro (the original, not ours), Oghren, First Enchanter Irving, Gorim, Andronikos Revel, Baron Deathmark, Techmarine Martellus and many, MANY more.


Ah, good old Techmarine Martellus ... too bad he switched sides.


Not according to Retribution. The canon traitor is Avitus. The Force Commander was sent on a penance crusade into the Eye of Terror for 100 years.


Yeah, that was a bit odd - if I read that correctly, when you come out as "pure" at the End of DoW II, Martellus is the traitor, but they changed it to Avitus for Retribution. But maybe I am just too much of a paragon in any game and they didn't factor in that I would refuse all the fancy Chaos stuff ;)

That makes me notice that even if the crucicible actually teleported Terminators and Storm Terminators in to defeat the reapers, it would not have been more confusing than hologram kid.

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It's quiet...

TOO quiet...

*runs about the thread wearing nothing but a rubber chicken waving a cutlass over his head*


:blink::blink::blink: -traumatized for life-

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schneeland wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

[...]

As well as Wilson, Crewman Matthews, the Shadow Broker, Brother-Sergeant Cyrus, Wolverine, Spike Speigel, General Todoh, TOM, Sanjuro (the original, not ours), Oghren, First Enchanter Irving, Gorim, Andronikos Revel, Baron Deathmark, Techmarine Martellus and many, MANY more.


Ah, good old Techmarine Martellus ... too bad he switched sides.


Not according to Retribution. The canon traitor is Avitus. The Force Commander was sent on a penance crusade into the Eye of Terror for 100 years.


Yeah, that was a bit odd - if I read that correctly, when you come out as "pure" at the End of DoW II, Martellus is the traitor, but they changed it to Avitus for Retribution. But maybe I am just too much of a paragon in any game and they didn't factor in that I would refuse all the fancy Chaos stuff ;)

That makes me notice that even if the crucicible actually teleported Terminators and Storm Terminators in to defeat the reapers, it would not have been more confusing than hologram kid.


Oh god... can you picture THAT?

TERMINATOR: XENOS FILTH!

SHEPARD: No! They're allies!

TERMINATOR: HERETIC!

LIARA HITS HIM WITH A SINGULARITY

TERMINATOR: FOUL SORCERY!

Actually, that'd be kinda ****in, Shepard with a storm shield and a thunderhammer... hmm... we need them to work in the idea behind Bolters in to Mass effect. A rocket propelled high caliber rapid fire grenade launcher? Yes please.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

[...]

As well as Wilson, Crewman Matthews, the Shadow Broker, Brother-Sergeant Cyrus, Wolverine, Spike Speigel, General Todoh, TOM, Sanjuro (the original, not ours), Oghren, First Enchanter Irving, Gorim, Andronikos Revel, Baron Deathmark, Techmarine Martellus and many, MANY more.


Ah, good old Techmarine Martellus ... too bad he switched sides.


Not according to Retribution. The canon traitor is Avitus. The Force Commander was sent on a penance crusade into the Eye of Terror for 100 years.


Yeah, that was a bit odd - if I read that correctly, when you come out as "pure" at the End of DoW II, Martellus is the traitor, but they changed it to Avitus for Retribution. But maybe I am just too much of a paragon in any game and they didn't factor in that I would refuse all the fancy Chaos stuff ;)

That makes me notice that even if the crucicible actually teleported Terminators and Storm Terminators in to defeat the reapers, it would not have been more confusing than hologram kid.


Oh god... can you picture THAT?

TERMINATOR: XENOS FILTH!

SHEPARD: No! They're allies!

TERMINATOR: HERETIC!

LIARA HITS HIM WITH A SINGULARITY

TERMINATOR: FOUL SORCERY!

Actually, that'd be kinda ****in, Shepard with a storm shield and a thunderhammer... hmm... we need them to work in the idea behind Bolters in to Mass effect. A rocket propelled high caliber rapid fire grenade launcher? Yes please.


Yeah, gotta love my little fascitic space marines ;) ... it's a shame my artistic skills are so limited - someone should really make a motviational with Shepard in Terminator armor and "To admit defeat is to blaspheme against the Emperor".

And I'm all for bolters in Mass Effect. I love sound of heavy bolters in the morning - so relaxing.

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schneeland wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

[...]

As well as Wilson, Crewman Matthews, the Shadow Broker, Brother-Sergeant Cyrus, Wolverine, Spike Speigel, General Todoh, TOM, Sanjuro (the original, not ours), Oghren, First Enchanter Irving, Gorim, Andronikos Revel, Baron Deathmark, Techmarine Martellus and many, MANY more.


Ah, good old Techmarine Martellus ... too bad he switched sides.


Not according to Retribution. The canon traitor is Avitus. The Force Commander was sent on a penance crusade into the Eye of Terror for 100 years.


Yeah, that was a bit odd - if I read that correctly, when you come out as "pure" at the End of DoW II, Martellus is the traitor, but they changed it to Avitus for Retribution. But maybe I am just too much of a paragon in any game and they didn't factor in that I would refuse all the fancy Chaos stuff ;)

That makes me notice that even if the crucicible actually teleported Terminators and Storm Terminators in to defeat the reapers, it would not have been more confusing than hologram kid.


Oh god... can you picture THAT?

TERMINATOR: XENOS FILTH!

SHEPARD: No! They're allies!

TERMINATOR: HERETIC!

LIARA HITS HIM WITH A SINGULARITY

TERMINATOR: FOUL SORCERY!

Actually, that'd be kinda ****in, Shepard with a storm shield and a thunderhammer... hmm... we need them to work in the idea behind Bolters in to Mass effect. A rocket propelled high caliber rapid fire grenade launcher? Yes please.


Yeah, gotta love my little fascitic space marines ;) ... it's a shame my artistic skills are so limited - someone should really make a motviational with Shepard in Terminator armor and "To admit defeat is to blaspheme against the Emperor".

And I'm all for bolters in Mass Effect. I love sound of heavy bolters in the morning - so relaxing.




Oh I can see it now;

FOR THE COUNCIL!

PURGE THE HUSK! BURN THE KROGAN BREAK THE MACHINE!

AN OPEN MIND IS THE KEY TO PEACE AND EQUITABLE RELATIONS WITH ALL RACES!

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[...]

Oh I can see it now;

FOR THE COUNCIL!

PURGE THE HUSK! BURN THE KROGAN BREAK THE MACHINE!

AN OPEN MIND IS THE KEY TO PEACE AND EQUITABLE RELATIONS WITH ALL RACES!


THE COUNCIL PROTECTS!

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spotlessvoid 

The first time I saw a thresher maw, I immediately thought of Shai Hulud.

Dune and Asimov were my first exposure to science fiction. I was still really young, and they left a lasting imprint. I don't think my world view had been so suddenly and dramatically shifted since watching Wateship Down as a little kid. THAT is not a freaking kids movie.


I avoided all the sad stuff throughout childhood...mostly by coincidence. However now some things are hitting me in the back, like my obsession with Studio Ghibli movies (even went to the Ghibli museum today) which meant I inevitably had to watch Grave of the Fireflies...good god.

I mean I knew it was sad from various sources, but sweet god. I cried uncontrolleably during the last 5-10 min and probably sat sobbing a quarter of an hour after that. Couldn't sleep either...

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You know what? This thread is the future of BSN. I Hope. One day I hope to see the entire site like this, players speaking and interacting respectfully with one another, Devs popping in to give comments with no worries of attacks.

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@arian dynas for that bsn would need its own equivelent of of the c-sec to fend of trolls and other disrespectful people to keep said Respectfulness

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While only a few are on I've got a question/insight of sorts.

Saw a few pages (few hundred? lost count) a comparison picture of renegade Shepard's red cybernetic eyes and The Illusive Man's, it pointed out they're inversions of each other. I'm still all for the Indoctrination Theory, but one of our main points is that Shepard appears to get "huskified" if you choose the blue or green endings. I've seen them both first hand (with a very nice monitor and graphics card to boot) and that was initially my first thought; "My Shepard...looks almost like a husk."

Didn't make this connection until I saw that comparison picture: Renegade Shepard's scars are his/her cybernetics being rejected/popping out. My question is this, is it possible that during the blue and green endings that Shepard is not being "huskified" but rather while he/she is being disintegrated/absorbed his/her cybernetics are showing without a layer of skin?

I know I know, Shepard's cybernetics are red, but if you pick the blue "paragon" ending as a paragon or even the green ending being affected by the blue or green energy could very well change the cybernetic coloring. I haven't tried this on my renegade yet, but I'm curious if a full renegade were to pick the blue option, would their "huskified" state look red? Will try it when I have time.

As I said I still firmly believe in Indoctrination, but just trying to further analyze our evidence.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 14 avril 2012 - 09:58 .


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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

While only a few are on I've got a question/insight of sorts.

Saw a few pages (few hundred? lost count) a comparison picture of renegade Shepard's red cybernetic eyes and The Illusive Man's, it pointed out they're inversions of each other. I'm still all for the Indoctrination Theory, but one of our main points is that Shepard appears to get "huskified" if you choose the blue or green endings. I've seen them both first hand (with a very nice monitor and graphics card to boot) and that was initially my first thought; "My Shepard...looks almost like a husk."

Didn't make this connection until I saw that comparison picture: Renegade Shepard's scars are his/her cybernetics being rejected/popping out. My question is this, is it possible that during the blue and green endings that Shepard is not being "huskified" but rather while he/she is being disintegrated/absorbed his/her cybernetics are showing without a layer of skin?

I know I know, Shepard's cybernetics are red, but if you pick the blue "paragon" ending as a paragon or even the green ending being affected by the blue or green energy could very well change the cybernetic coloring. I haven't tried this on my renegade yet, but I'm curious if a full renegade were to pick the blue option, would their "huskified" state look red? Will try it when I have time.

As I said I still firmly believe in Indoctrination, but just trying to further analyze our evidence.


The design is entirely different, as in it is a negative of the Illusive Man's, happens to be red, would require Shepard's eyes to roll back into his head and completely reverse themselves, the orbs would have to become several times larger and the pupils would need to disappear. They're similar only in the vaugest sense.

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@arian dynas for that bsn would need its own equivelent of of the c-sec to fend of trolls and other disrespectful people to keep said Respectfulness

 

Officer reporting for duty.

Lawbreakers, lawmakers, let us fight them all. Why not?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

While only a few are on I've got a question/insight of sorts.

Saw a few pages (few hundred? lost count) a comparison picture of renegade Shepard's red cybernetic eyes and The Illusive Man's, it pointed out they're inversions of each other. I'm still all for the Indoctrination Theory, but one of our main points is that Shepard appears to get "huskified" if you choose the blue or green endings. I've seen them both first hand (with a very nice monitor and graphics card to boot) and that was initially my first thought; "My Shepard...looks almost like a husk."

Didn't make this connection until I saw that comparison picture: Renegade Shepard's scars are his/her cybernetics being rejected/popping out. My question is this, is it possible that during the blue and green endings that Shepard is not being "huskified" but rather while he/she is being disintegrated/absorbed his/her cybernetics are showing without a layer of skin?

I know I know, Shepard's cybernetics are red, but if you pick the blue "paragon" ending as a paragon or even the green ending being affected by the blue or green energy could very well change the cybernetic coloring. I haven't tried this on my renegade yet, but I'm curious if a full renegade were to pick the blue option, would their "huskified" state look red? Will try it when I have time.

As I said I still firmly believe in Indoctrination, but just trying to further analyze our evidence.


The design is entirely different, as in it is a negative of the Illusive Man's, happens to be red, would require Shepard's eyes to roll back into his head and completely reverse themselves, the orbs would have to become several times larger and the pupils would need to disappear. They're similar only in the vaugest sense.
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Are Shepard's eyes fully cybernetic? Or were his/her eyes mostly intact and just in need of dire repair?

If that's the case I'd attribute the difference (aside from the inverted direction) to Shepard's cybernetic enhancements being on the inside rather than Illusive Man's, otherwise even paragon Shepard would have them showing.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

While only a few are on I've got a question/insight of sorts.

Saw a few pages (few hundred? lost count) a comparison picture of renegade Shepard's red cybernetic eyes and The Illusive Man's, it pointed out they're inversions of each other. I'm still all for the Indoctrination Theory, but one of our main points is that Shepard appears to get "huskified" if you choose the blue or green endings. I've seen them both first hand (with a very nice monitor and graphics card to boot) and that was initially my first thought; "My Shepard...looks almost like a husk."

Didn't make this connection until I saw that comparison picture: Renegade Shepard's scars are his/her cybernetics being rejected/popping out. My question is this, is it possible that during the blue and green endings that Shepard is not being "huskified" but rather while he/she is being disintegrated/absorbed his/her cybernetics are showing without a layer of skin?

I know I know, Shepard's cybernetics are red, but if you pick the blue "paragon" ending as a paragon or even the green ending being affected by the blue or green energy could very well change the cybernetic coloring. I haven't tried this on my renegade yet, but I'm curious if a full renegade were to pick the blue option, would their "huskified" state look red? Will try it when I have time.

As I said I still firmly believe in Indoctrination, but just trying to further analyze our evidence.


The design is entirely different, as in it is a negative of the Illusive Man's, happens to be red, would require Shepard's eyes to roll back into his head and completely reverse themselves, the orbs would have to become several times larger and the pupils would need to disappear. They're similar only in the vaugest sense.
.


Are Shepard's eyes fully cybernetic? Or were his/her eyes mostly intact and just in need of dire repair?

If that's the case I'd attribute the difference (aside from the inverted direction) to Shepard's cybernetic enhancements being on the inside rather than Illusive Man's, otherwise even paragon Shepard would have them showing.


Eyes degrade too fast. They're either cybernetic, or cloned, with cybernetic implants. Or perhaps merely cloned with optic nerve implants. But either way, the design is nothing like TIM's, especially considering they have the actual Renegade eyes in ME3. which they could have used if they so desired. No the eyes were intentional.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

While only a few are on I've got a question/insight of sorts.

Saw a few pages (few hundred? lost count) a comparison picture of renegade Shepard's red cybernetic eyes and The Illusive Man's, it pointed out they're inversions of each other. I'm still all for the Indoctrination Theory, but one of our main points is that Shepard appears to get "huskified" if you choose the blue or green endings. I've seen them both first hand (with a very nice monitor and graphics card to boot) and that was initially my first thought; "My Shepard...looks almost like a husk."

Didn't make this connection until I saw that comparison picture: Renegade Shepard's scars are his/her cybernetics being rejected/popping out. My question is this, is it possible that during the blue and green endings that Shepard is not being "huskified" but rather while he/she is being disintegrated/absorbed his/her cybernetics are showing without a layer of skin?

I know I know, Shepard's cybernetics are red, but if you pick the blue "paragon" ending as a paragon or even the green ending being affected by the blue or green energy could very well change the cybernetic coloring. I haven't tried this on my renegade yet, but I'm curious if a full renegade were to pick the blue option, would their "huskified" state look red? Will try it when I have time.

As I said I still firmly believe in Indoctrination, but just trying to further analyze our evidence.


The design is entirely different, as in it is a negative of the Illusive Man's, happens to be red, would require Shepard's eyes to roll back into his head and completely reverse themselves, the orbs would have to become several times larger and the pupils would need to disappear. They're similar only in the vaugest sense.
.


Are Shepard's eyes fully cybernetic? Or were his/her eyes mostly intact and just in need of dire repair?

If that's the case I'd attribute the difference (aside from the inverted direction) to Shepard's cybernetic enhancements being on the inside rather than Illusive Man's, otherwise even paragon Shepard would have them showing.


Eyes degrade too fast. They're either cybernetic, or cloned, with cybernetic implants. Or perhaps merely cloned with optic nerve implants. But either way, the design is nothing like TIM's, especially considering they have the actual Renegade eyes in ME3. which they could have used if they so desired. No the eyes were intentional.


Well now I gotta reload my Citadel: The Return and check to see if Shepard's huskified eyes are the same formation as Illusive Man's or not, they're definitley similar in those endings...Too similar.

I hope they announce a date for Extended Cut soon, all this speculation is gonna drive me crazier :).

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"Earth. I wish you could see it like I could Shepard. It's so...perfect." Through his eyes... Indoctrinated...perfect... Shepard's eyes... hmmm....Speculations!

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[quote]gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

[quote]gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

[quote]gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

*snip*
[/quote]

Eyes degrade too fast. They're either cybernetic, or cloned, with cybernetic implants. Or perhaps merely cloned with optic nerve implants. But either way, the design is nothing like TIM's, especially considering they have the actual Renegade eyes in ME3. which they could have used if they so desired. No the eyes were intentional.

[/quote]

Well now I gotta reload my Citadel: The Return and check to see if Shepard's huskified eyes are the same formation as Illusive Man's or not, they're definitley similar in those endings...Too similar.

I hope they announce a date for Extended Cut soon, all this speculation is gonna drive me crazier :).

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We proved it a few pages back, the renegade eyes are similar in a sidealong comparison, bearing a triangular pattern, two small dots near the top, one at the bottom and a center red dot. Shepard's eyes in the scene (we even have high res pictures around here somewhere) are identical to TIM's, with a concentric circle surrounding the dark pupil, with smaller dots in a upward facing triangle pattern surrounding it. IT's also bright blue, in the same shade as TIM's, Saren's, and Husk eyes, which is also the same color as the relays, being distinct from the shade of blue associated with Paragon.