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Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

On topic:

I have been thinking. If IT is true then what is TIM doing? I mean if he truly ain't dead as it was all in Shep's head then he is a pretty big wild card that is still in play to use Hackets quote.


Judging by the profile the Shadow Broker had on him... getting laid.


Yeah he knew how to get around :lol:

Schneeland:

As I said, my own opinion. If I had to choose between Lion King and Princess Mononoke I would be with Mononoke and not to avoid the singing (love many of the Disney songs actually, so catchy...and stuck in my head till eternity) :P

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
As I said, my own opinion. If I had to choose between Lion King and Princess Mononoke I would be with Mononoke and not to avoid the singing (love many of the Disney songs actually, so catchy...and stuck in my head till eternity) :P


Well, Lion King does not count as old ;) ... try "The Sword in the Stone", just for an impression what Disney films were on TV when I was young/in the 80s.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

On topic:

I have been thinking. If IT is true then what is TIM doing? I mean if he truly ain't dead as it was all in Shep's head then he is a pretty big wild card that is still in play to use Hackets quote.


Judging by the profile the Shadow Broker had on him... getting laid.


Yeah he knew how to get around :lol:

Schneeland:

As I said, my own opinion. If I had to choose between Lion King and Princess Mononoke I would be with Mononoke and not to avoid the singing (love many of the Disney songs actually, so catchy...and stuck in my head till eternity) :P


Hehe I would prefer Mononoke as well =)

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schneeland wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
As I said, my own opinion. If I had to choose between Lion King and Princess Mononoke I would be with Mononoke and not to avoid the singing (love many of the Disney songs actually, so catchy...and stuck in my head till eternity) :P


Well, Lion King does not count as old ;) ... try "The Sword in the Stone", just for an impression what Disney films were on TV when I was young/in the 80s.


Still Mononoke or "Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind" if i go back to Ghibli's first movie.

Never really liked "Sword in the stone" actually, not even as a kid. Don't know why. But I have watched most Disney movies and my opinion stands.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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Still Mononoke or "Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind" if i go back to Ghibli's first movie.

Never really liked "Sword in the stone" actually, not even as a kid. Don't know why. But I have watched most Disney movies and my opinion stands.


No problem with that. Nowadays I would make the same choice. But then, we can have both - and that's without space magic ;)

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"I am KROGAN!!!!!"

This has been a special message from Grunt thank you.

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Rifneno wrote...

And while we're on the subject, I'm really surprised they didn't censor the scene with Vega "dancing" with FemShep. I'm a WWE fan (yeah yeah, I know) and I know when airing in Canada they have to censor out the rare segment that has a male striking a female even if it's unintentional. Video games are a different medium than cable TV of course, but I was still very surprised to see a game made in Canada include a scene with a guy who looks like he could rip a bear in half trading fisticuffs with a woman who probably weighs less than his average meal.

About Shepard and Vega trading blows.

It's a bit iffy when taken literally sure, but technically speaking, I'd argue that Shepard is probably even stronger and deadlier with her hands than Vega, considering her synthetic Terminator-ish body, I imagine Shepard could run through a brick wall if she wanted to.
We even se her beating up the frigging Shadow Broker in ME2 :D

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Nauks wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

And while we're on the subject, I'm really surprised they didn't censor the scene with Vega "dancing" with FemShep. I'm a WWE fan (yeah yeah, I know) and I know when airing in Canada they have to censor out the rare segment that has a male striking a female even if it's unintentional. Video games are a different medium than cable TV of course, but I was still very surprised to see a game made in Canada include a scene with a guy who looks like he could rip a bear in half trading fisticuffs with a woman who probably weighs less than his average meal.

About Shepard and Vega trading blows.

It's a bit iffy when taken literally sure, but technically speaking, I'd argue that Shepard is probably even stronger and deadlier with her hands than Vega, considering her synthetic Terminator-ish body, I imagine Shepard could run through a brick wall if she wanted to.
We even se her beating up the frigging Shadow Broker in ME2 :D



LOL, perfect!

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Nauks wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

And while we're on the subject, I'm really surprised they didn't censor the scene with Vega "dancing" with FemShep. I'm a WWE fan (yeah yeah, I know) and I know when airing in Canada they have to censor out the rare segment that has a male striking a female even if it's unintentional. Video games are a different medium than cable TV of course, but I was still very surprised to see a game made in Canada include a scene with a guy who looks like he could rip a bear in half trading fisticuffs with a woman who probably weighs less than his average meal.

About Shepard and Vega trading blows.

It's a bit iffy when taken literally sure, but technically speaking, I'd argue that Shepard is probably even stronger and deadlier with her hands than Vega, considering her synthetic Terminator-ish body, I imagine Shepard could run through a brick wall if she wanted to.
We even se her beating up the frigging Shadow Broker in ME2 :D



Good point.

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I don't know if anyone pointed this out before. I didn't notice it during my playthrough, only later when watching a youtube vid.

OBVIOUS SPOILERS

Shepard shoots Anderson in the right side of his stomach. But when they both sit down, we see SHEPARD bleeding. It's clearly a fresh wound, right on his stomach, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't there before.

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@M_k yep its a pretty solid bit of evidence for IT but you noticed the middle section anderson and shepard sit at it suddenly raised up when before it was flat?

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m_k wrote...

I don't know if anyone pointed this out before. I didn't notice it during my playthrough, only later when watching a youtube vid.

OBVIOUS SPOILERS

Shepard shoots Anderson in the right side of his stomach. But when they both sit down, we see SHEPARD bleeding. It's clearly a fresh wound, right on his stomach, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't there before.


So you boast IT banner on your sig and come post month old information as news under spoiler warning in a forum where spoilers are allowed? No offense dude. No wonder this thread is already on page 9001.

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Falloutwarfare wrote...

@M_k yep its a pretty solid bit of evidence for IT but you noticed the middle section anderson and shepard sit at it suddenly raised up when before it was flat?


He was holding his gut before he shot anderson. His arms and hands were already covered in blood. This isn't evidence for IT any longer.

Here's tghe proof.

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Falloutwarfare wrote...

@M_k yep its a pretty solid bit of
evidence for IT but you noticed the middle section anderson and shepard
sit at it suddenly raised up when before it was flat?


Yeah, several parts are off.

foxlockbox wrote...

m_k wrote...

I don't know if anyone pointed this out before. I didn't notice it during my playthrough, only later when watching a youtube vid.

OBVIOUS SPOILERS

Shepard shoots Anderson in the right side of his stomach. But when they both sit down, we see SHEPARD bleeding. It's clearly a fresh wound, right on his stomach, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't there before.


So you boast IT banner on your sig and come post month old information as news under spoiler warning in a forum where spoilers are allowed? No offense dude. No wonder this thread is already on page 9001.


I didn't read every analysis or check every damn page of this thread and I just finished the game a couple of days ago. New people might have not noticed that before, I was just pointing it out. The whole purpose of this is speculating, so I don't see what's the issue. Except for the spoiler part, it was pointless but I wrote it in a rush, no need to nitpick.

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There's a difference between his arm just hanging down and him holding his gut.

He is bleeding more while crawling to the console more than any other time, then he passes out. When he wakes up he's not bleeding so much any more, but his arms were "shiny" with blood before.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

@M_k yep its a pretty solid bit of evidence for IT but you noticed the middle section anderson and shepard sit at it suddenly raised up when before it was flat?


He was holding his gut before he shot anderson. His arms and hands were already covered in blood. This isn't evidence for IT any longer.

Here's tghe proof.


He was bleeding way more after he shot Anderson regardless of if he held his gut before or not (you only see him hold his gut for a second, he holds his shoulder more before the Anderson scene). He was bleeding out after he shot Anderson, but then, he's not and he's talking to a ghost kid? AND YOU THINK THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?!

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balance5050 wrote...

There's a difference between his arm just hanging down and him holding his gut.

He is bleeding more while crawling to the console more than any other time, then he passes out. When he wakes up he's not bleeding so much any more, but his arms were "shiny" with blood before.


Level of detail. They increased if for the that particular scene to point out how close shepard is to bleeding out. Developers, including bioware, do this all the time. Just like you'd see a lot more facial features on shepard during a conversation but less in an combat scene.

And even if you try to link all of that blood to the wound he got, how did he manage to get all of that blook on both his arms?

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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

@M_k yep its a pretty solid bit of evidence for IT but you noticed the middle section anderson and shepard sit at it suddenly raised up when before it was flat?


He was holding his gut before he shot anderson. His arms and hands were already covered in blood. This isn't evidence for IT any longer.

Here's tghe proof.


He was bleeding way more after he shot Anderson regardless of if he held his gut before or not (you only see him hold his gut for a second, he holds his shoulder more before the Anderson scene). He was bleeding out after he shot Anderson, but then, he's not and he's talking to a ghost kid? AND YOU THINK THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?!


We forget that Shepard is part synthetic now. His wounds can heal on their own and his blood count can be restored thanks to these parts. It's not so far fetched that he was able to wake up again.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

@M_k yep its a pretty solid bit of evidence for IT but you noticed the middle section anderson and shepard sit at it suddenly raised up when before it was flat?


He was holding his gut before he shot anderson. His arms and hands were already covered in blood. This isn't evidence for IT any longer.

Here's tghe proof.


He was bleeding way more after he shot Anderson regardless of if he held his gut before or not (you only see him hold his gut for a second, he holds his shoulder more before the Anderson scene). He was bleeding out after he shot Anderson, but then, he's not and he's talking to a ghost kid? AND YOU THINK THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?!


We forget that Shepard is part synthetic now. His wounds can heal on their own and his blood count can be restored thanks to these parts. It's not so far fetched that he was able to wake up again.


He's not Wolvorine bro.


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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

@M_k yep its a pretty solid bit of evidence for IT but you noticed the middle section anderson and shepard sit at it suddenly raised up when before it was flat?


He was holding his gut before he shot anderson. His arms and hands were already covered in blood. This isn't evidence for IT any longer.

Here's tghe proof.


He was bleeding way more after he shot Anderson regardless of if he held his gut before or not (you only see him hold his gut for a second, he holds his shoulder more before the Anderson scene). He was bleeding out after he shot Anderson, but then, he's not and he's talking to a ghost kid? AND YOU THINK THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?!


We forget that Shepard is part synthetic now. His wounds can heal on their own and his blood count can be restored thanks to these parts. It's not so far fetched that he was able to wake up again.


He's not Wolvorine bro.
*pic*


You certainly know how to keep the conversation interesting lol.

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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

@M_k yep its a pretty solid bit of evidence for IT but you noticed the middle section anderson and shepard sit at it suddenly raised up when before it was flat?


He was holding his gut before he shot anderson. His arms and hands were already covered in blood. This isn't evidence for IT any longer.

Here's tghe proof.


He was bleeding way more after he shot Anderson regardless of if he held his gut before or not (you only see him hold his gut for a second, he holds his shoulder more before the Anderson scene). He was bleeding out after he shot Anderson, but then, he's not and he's talking to a ghost kid? AND YOU THINK THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?!


We forget that Shepard is part synthetic now. His wounds can heal on their own and his blood count can be restored thanks to these parts. It's not so far fetched that he was able to wake up again.


He's not Wolvorine bro.


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NO ONE IS SAYING THAT..We are just say Shepard would be healed enough tofight again in a few hours....Read the codex sometime...http://masseffect.wi...rnetic_Upgrades

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dreman9999 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

@M_k yep its a pretty solid bit of evidence for IT but you noticed the middle section anderson and shepard sit at it suddenly raised up when before it was flat?


He was holding his gut before he shot anderson. His arms and hands were already covered in blood. This isn't evidence for IT any longer.

Here's tghe proof.


He was bleeding way more after he shot Anderson regardless of if he held his gut before or not (you only see him hold his gut for a second, he holds his shoulder more before the Anderson scene). He was bleeding out after he shot Anderson, but then, he's not and he's talking to a ghost kid? AND YOU THINK THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED?!


We forget that Shepard is part synthetic now. His wounds can heal on their own and his blood count can be restored thanks to these parts. It's not so far fetched that he was able to wake up again.


He's not Wolvorine bro.


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NO ONE IS SAYING THAT..We are just say Shepard would be healed enough tofight again in a few hours....Read the codex sometime...http://masseffect.wi...rnetic_Upgrades


I've read it extensively and there is nothing in there that says he has anything close to "rapid healing" or "the ability to rapidly restore bloodcells."

Maybe you misunderstood?

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Uhhh you say he'd be up in a few hours. When exactly would Shep get a "few hours" to rest and recover after the Harbinger beam?

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Golferguy758 wrote...

Uhhh you say he'd be up in a few hours. When exactly would Shep get a "few hours" to rest and recover after the Harbinger beam?


The answer to everything... Space Magic ! :P

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@golferguy i think he ment a few hours after Tim is killed which is still rediculous as the crucible would be ****ed........ I dont think he thought that part out