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[Dilandau3000]

Celrath wrote...

Something to make you go Hmmm .

[snipped images]

That means nothing. I could argue that the Reapers are V'Ger from the Star Trek The Motion Picture using that logic.

[Sajuro]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

I think the people saying that Bioware isn't good enough/couldn't pull this off

No, I'm actually saying the opposite. I'm saying they aren't stupid enough to pull this off. Because coming out after the fact and saying "haha, fooled you" would make me even more angry and would be the stupidest decision in writing history, even if it did improve the ending.

Such a manoeuvre would not be the most epic stunt in gaming history, it would be the most epic betrayal in gaming history.

I'm not so sure: I'm sure the forums would catch on fire, but they do that periodically anyway. I could see Bioware doing it because of all the leaks and if the final conclusion to Mass Effect 3 came out and everyone started spoiling it for the people who hadn't had it released in their regions yet, that would really suck (I know it was hard to find a non spoiling thread in the non spoilers section before the game released in America) People might be mad, but I think that some people would realize that the fact that Bioware managed to prank so many players was something to be respected in a sense (like, well played Bioware)

[Dilandau3000]

Lugaidster wrote...

Auresta wrote...

http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Does this hold relevance now?

It certainly does, if you pick what we call indoctrinated endings, the reapers win.

If you enter the final battle with a too low EMS, the reapers win for real (earth destroyed, galaxy harvested). I find it more likely that that was what he meant.

Modifié par Dilandau3000, 12 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[Lugaidster]

Linus108 wrote...

Can someone explain to me (if this theory is correct), how Shepard wakes up in London? If she was indoctrinated, wouldn't that be game over? How did she awake from the hallucination?

Also wouldn't the reapers have destroyed all of earth if she had failed...

The wake up in london requires you to pick the "right choice" (reaper destruction) and a good deal of gallactic points/forces. So I'd say that she could only break out of the spell because you had enough backups and chose the right answer.

Cheers

[Terraforming2154]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

I think the people saying that Bioware isn't good enough/couldn't pull this off

No, I'm actually saying the opposite. I'm saying they aren't stupid enough to pull this off. Because coming out after the fact and saying "haha, fooled you" would make me even more angry and would be the stupidest decision in writing history, even if it did improve the ending.

Such a manoeuvre would not be the most epic stunt in gaming history, it would be the most epic betrayal in gaming history.

*edited*
Read you response to someone else, see where you are coming from now.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 12 mars 2012 - 06:52 .

[Lugaidster]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Auresta wrote...

http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Does this hold relevance now?

It certainly does, if you pick what we call indoctrinated endings, the reapers win.

If you enter the final battle with a too low EMS, the reapers win for real (earth destroyed, galaxy harvested). I find it more likely that that was what he meant.

Uhh no they don't. Both the reapers and the Earth die. Everything is destroyed, I don't see that as a reaper victory.

[UKillMeLongTime]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I think the people saying that Bioware isn't good enough/couldn't pull this off should really take a look at what they're saying. We're talking about the same people that created this world, crafted each of the games, including this one which everyone pretty much agrees is utterly fantastic until the last 10 minutes. They have more invested in this than even we do. This is their baby. They wouldn't undermine everything they've accomplished with the lackluster ending we have now. All of the evidence we've compiled isn't 'just coincidence' anymore, and we're not scrambling to find things to make this fit. They're not going to say "Hey, look at what these people came up with, let's run with that!" This was planned. There's a clear, deliberate and methodical, cohesive way to follow it to this conclusion. It was easy to say that they might have just missed these things and since this makes so much sense they'd go with it in the beginning, but there is just too many things that fit now. If all the people in this thread have come up with this conclusion from what we've discovered, do you really think that after X amount of years of development, no one on the ME team noticed these things?

THIS IS DELIBERATE.

And it's brilliant.

It will go down not only as one of the greatest game series in history, but the greatest reveal for the ending of that series.

Mass Effect could never go out on a whimper, it's going to go out on an earthshattering bang. Just like it should.

I agree somethings up....the game is not over yet imo

but they still made a game that is amazing. I mean uncharted is a great game but its a movie you dont have any real control. This game has so many things that no one will have the same game

same endings but the path is too varied.  My friend did not see thane or jack because of just a simple goof
then i go and import the old save where tali was exiled and si in my game i could not save the gethand quarians and it sucked
but that was my fault

and i do not see how a new game would be that great as its the import of my me2 team to help me that made this game

[MissMaster_2]

Jenaimarre wrote...

Guys, here's a tweet by Jessica Merizan, it may not mean anything so take it with a grain of salt.

@o1striker that's kind of how I interpreted it as a dying hallucination, but I'm not a dev so I don't know what was intended.

http://twitter.com/J...692740471721985

I was looking for this, thanks.

[XCMichael]

Linus108 wrote...

Can someone explain to me (if this theory is correct), how Shepard wakes up in London? If she was indoctrinated, wouldn't that be game over? How did she awake from the hallucination?

Also wouldn't the reapers have destroyed all of earth if she had failed...

Implied in this thread: Shepard never boarded the Citadel! The part starting from when Shepad "wakes up" from Harbinger's blast to the "ending" is the whole process of indoctrintation. The secret ending shows Shepard really waking up after solidifying his resolve to destroy the Reapers (ie, choosing the red destroy option).

[Dilandau3000]

Sajuro wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

I think the people saying that Bioware isn't good enough/couldn't pull this off

No, I'm actually saying the opposite. I'm saying they aren't stupid enough to pull this off. Because coming out after the fact and saying "haha, fooled you" would make me even more angry and would be the stupidest decision in writing history, even if it did improve the ending.

Such a manoeuvre would not be the most epic stunt in gaming history, it would be the most epic betrayal in gaming history.

I'm not so sure: I'm sure the forums would catch on fire, but they do that periodically anyway. I could see Bioware doing it because of all the leaks and if the final conclusion to Mass Effect 3 came out and everyone started spoiling it for the people who hadn't had it released in their regions yet, that would really suck (I know it was hard to find a non spoiling thread in the non spoilers section before the game released in America) People might be mad, but I think that some people would realize that the fact that Bioware managed to prank so many players was something to be respected in a sense (like, well played Bioware)

Except they released the game a month before April Fools.

... Now that would've been epic. The biggest April Fools prank ever.

[krystalevenstar]

I just had a wacky thought guys... Doesn't it seem a little off that we have clips showing Anderson or TIM making the two major decisions at the end? Maybe when you wake up, the scene plays fairly similar to how you 'dreamed it', but you get to choose to stick with Anderson, who maybe volunteers to be the one to actually set off the crucible and destroy the Reapers, or let TIM control them via the crucible (which he's already claimed is integral to him being able to control them). Maybe that's where those clips are from, from the real endings. They seem very strange otherwise, considering in the current endings, neither of them even knows about this room with the child and the 'choice pillars'... is the only way I can describe them, let alone survives to get there.

[UKillMeLongTime]

also ya really have to work to get a real crappy ending as it was easy getting over 5k much less 4k

[Dilandau3000]

Lugaidster wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Auresta wrote...

http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Does this hold relevance now?

It certainly does, if you pick what we call indoctrinated endings, the reapers win.

If you enter the final battle with a too low EMS, the reapers win for real (earth destroyed, galaxy harvested). I find it more likely that that was what he meant.

Uhh no they don't. Both the reapers and the Earth die. Everything is destroyed, I don't see that as a reaper victory.

I was under the impression that if your EMS was really low you wouldn't even get to the Citadel, it would just be game over, reapers win. I'm not talking about the "everything gets disintegrated" ending.

[Drewskii]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

I think the people saying that Bioware isn't good enough/couldn't pull this off

No, I'm actually saying the opposite. I'm saying they aren't stupid enough to pull this off. Because coming out after the fact and saying "haha, fooled you" would make me even more angry and would be the stupidest decision in writing history, even if it did improve the ending.

Such a manoeuvre would not be the most epic stunt in gaming history, it would be the most epic betrayal in gaming history.

No worse than the ending as it stands. Unfortunately. Quite a betrayal it was/is.

[krystalevenstar]

Linus108 wrote...

Can someone explain to me (if this theory is correct), how Shepard wakes up in London? If she was indoctrinated, wouldn't that be game over? How did she awake from the hallucination?

Also wouldn't the reapers have destroyed all of earth if she had failed...

That's the thing, you only get the 'waking in rubble' scene if you choose the destroy option with enough war assets. Destroy = breaking free from the indoctrination by sticking to your convictions about destroying the reapers whatever the cost (possibly the geth/edi ASSUMING the child wasn't lying to you to dissuade you from that choice.)

[FLGSynyster]

byne wrote...

15. Shepard is not wearing his armor when he wakes up in the Citadel, implying that this is a dream.

He is wearing his armor, but it has been severly damaged

[Lugaidster]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Celrath wrote...

Something to make you go Hmmm .

[snipped images]

That means nothing. I could argue that the Reapers are V'Ger from the Star Trek The Motion Picture using that logic.

Dude! Seriously! What's with the BM. No need for that.

[aquaticidioticus]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

also ya really have to work to get a real crappy ending as it was easy getting over 5k much less 4k

Did you play MP because I found it difficult to get it to 4,000 - I'm currently at 3,800 (something or other) and don't want to touch MP with a ten foot pole.  Bleh.

Edit: meaning EMS after the 50% hit - my total is 6,000 (blah-di-blah more numbers). 

Modifié par aquaticidioticus, 12 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[Lugaidster]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Auresta wrote...

http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Does this hold relevance now?

It certainly does, if you pick what we call indoctrinated endings, the reapers win.

If you enter the final battle with a too low EMS, the reapers win for real (earth destroyed, galaxy harvested). I find it more likely that that was what he meant.

Uhh no they don't. Both the reapers and the Earth die. Everything is destroyed, I don't see that as a reaper victory.

I was under the impression that if your EMS was really low you wouldn't even get to the Citadel, it would just be game over, reapers win. I'm not talking about the "everything gets disintegrated" ending.

According to the IGN guide there's no such ending. Either that or any "game over" is considered a victory for the reapers.

[Rahabzu]

Linus108 wrote...

Can someone explain to me (if this theory is correct), how Shepard wakes up in London? If she was indoctrinated, wouldn't that be game over? How did she awake from the hallucination?

Also wouldn't the reapers have destroyed all of earth if she had failed...

Well this has been said a bunch of time but the idea is that choosing to destroy the reapers is you breaking free from indoctrination, which is why destroy is the only ending you end up alive on. Also it only happens if you have high war assets, this is assumed to factor into how much time they could buy you before all hope is lost etc.

[krystalevenstar]

Whoever just linked to this is a genius. I don't know how we've missed this up til this point.

[Dessalines]

At the end of Mass Effect 2, Harbringer says they will find another way to beat Shepard. He did not say that we are going back to original plan of just destroing the universe.

[Linus108]

XCMichael wrote...

Linus108 wrote...

Can someone explain to me (if this theory is correct), how Shepard wakes up in London? If she was indoctrinated, wouldn't that be game over? How did she awake from the hallucination?

Also wouldn't the reapers have destroyed all of earth if she had failed...

Implied in this thread: Shepard never boarded the Citadel! The part starting from when Shepad "wakes up" from Harbinger's blast to the "ending" is the whole process of indoctrintation. The secret ending shows Shepard really waking up after solidifying his resolve to destroy the Reapers (ie, choosing the red destroy option).

Okay, this is the clarification I needed. So you are saying that: Shepard broke from the indoctrination process: and that is why Shepard woke up. 

What was confusing me is, I assumed that once you are indoctrinated, that's it. That you can't really fight it. Now the choices at the end do make sense. 

[Dilandau3000]

Lugaidster wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Celrath wrote...

Something to make you go Hmmm .

[snipped images]

That means nothing. I could argue that the Reapers are V'Ger from the Star Trek The Motion Picture using that logic.

Dude! Seriously! What's with the BM. No need for that.

I'm sorry, I'm overreacting to people using things as proof that really aren't anything of the sort because of some things I've had to deal with in real life recently. No offense was intended.