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[schneeland]

Arian Dynas wrote...

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And  if you didn't rescue the Rachni queen on Noveria, then it assumes another survived without you, one who is *gasp* mysteriously absent if you DID rescue her.

Didn't they say that the other Rachni queen was cloned? (not that this isn't nearly equally dumb) I don't have a playthough were I killed her, but that's what I got from other threads.

[byne]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Yeah, I pretty much feel like all the DLC of ME2 was canon and BioWare shows no qualms about it.

If you didnt play Arrival it really doesnt make much sense as to why you're being detained on Earth either.

I think the supposed reason they give is because you worked with Cerberus, but so did Joker and Chakwas, and they didnt get detained.

If you didnt do Arrival theres really no reason for Shep to have come to Earth, allowed the Alliance to detain her, and let them impound the Normandy.

[IronSabbath88]

I don't see how Control could be viewed in that sense. For one, it's purposely coloured blue, making it "seem" like a good option. Yes, the kid says you WILL die, but by all accounts, there will be peace and everything will be normal, though it's never explicity stated the cycle will end.. because it wouldn't.

For destroy, he makes it out to be MUCH worse. You're killing the geth, so you're committing genocide, even YOU are partly synthetic, so you're basically killing yourself or making yourself braindead for the most part. He also goes onto to tell you the "peace won't last". EVERYTHING he tells you about Destroy is negative. He makes it seem like you NEED the Reapers around.

Let's not even get into Synthesis, which is called the "final evolution of life"... yeah.. that just reeks of Reaper talk to me.

[StElmo]

byne wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Yeah, I pretty much feel like all the DLC of ME2 was canon and BioWare shows no qualms about it.

If you didnt play Arrival it really doesnt make much sense as to why you're being detained on Earth either.

I think the supposed reason they give is because you worked with Cerberus, but so did Joker and Chakwas, and they didnt get detained.

If you didnt do Arrival theres really no reason for Shep to have come to Earth, allowed the Alliance to detain her, and let them impound the Normandy.

Arrival happened wether you played it or not.

[byne]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Let's not even get into Synthesis, which is called the "final evolution of life"... yeah.. that just reeks of Reaper talk to me.

But Synthesis isnt Reaper talk! Synthesis is the only way any of us will survive.

I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed!

But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die.

[/Saren]

Modifié par byne, 14 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[byne]

StElmo wrote...

byne wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Yeah, I pretty much feel like all the DLC of ME2 was canon and BioWare shows no qualms about it.

If you didnt play Arrival it really doesnt make much sense as to why you're being detained on Earth either.

I think the supposed reason they give is because you worked with Cerberus, but so did Joker and Chakwas, and they didnt get detained.

If you didnt do Arrival theres really no reason for Shep to have come to Earth, allowed the Alliance to detain her, and let them impound the Normandy.

Arrival happened wether you played it or not.

The destruction of the batarian system did, yes, but if you didnt play it, Shepard wasnt the one who blew it up, it was a group of Alliance marines.

Modifié par byne, 14 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[Arian Dynas]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I don't believe or support the IT theory, but I find it interesting nonetheless, and I had a thought based on something I read earlier:

 

No offense, but in English this can be translated as "Stop reading here."

We appreciate your honesty, but this isn't the best way to introduce yourself.

Could control be the option that breaks you free of indoctrination?

No, and I will tell you why in a minute.

Someone earlier mentioned that whenever Paul Grayson was performing tasks the Reapers desired, he would have more strength than when he performed tasks counter to the Reapers' wishes - obeying them gave him a surge of energy while disobeying them was a struggle.

With that in mind, there are two endings where Shepard seems to gain a final burst of energy, and one where he is struggling the entire time. When you pick destroy, Shepard seems to gain strength from somewhere - he stands up straight and is able to shhot accurately. The same occurs in synthesis - Shepard goes from limping to full-on jogging. You can obviously put this down to last reserves of strength if the endings are real, but if in light of the thread we assume the IT theory is true (I don't want to get into an arguement over whether it is or isn't real) then it seems that Shepard has suddenly gained some enegry from somewhere, whereas in control he is clearly struggling the whole time.

I fail to see where he is struggling in Control, but say you are correct. There, that could merely indicate a lack of desire to do so, or in IDT's case, Shepard's subconcious STILL trying to warn him off. In Synthesis he is metaphorically "Jumping into a brave new future" with destroy, that is his resolve returning to him, and is the only one where he does not drop his pistol, a symbol of his defiance.

The Catalyst makes control seem the least desirable - it hints at your death with destroy, but outright tells you that you will die and lose everything if you pick control.The Reapers are still alive in this ending. It is associated with TIM, one of the main villains (even more so if you have the PS3 version, where you've never faced Saren). Destroy has been your goal throughout all three games, and is associated with Anderson - at face value, this is clearly the most desirable, so why would the Reapers make it the 'break free' option?

Uh... no he does not. In Control he basically informs you that you are sacrificing for everyone else, giving up your physical form to control the Reapers, but in the event you choose Destroy, he informs you that you will be destroying not only your friend (EDI) but also an entire, newly sentient race of beings (The Geth) This is also dismissing that Destroy is the only ending in which Shepard does NOT get Huskified eyes, and the (as yet unconfirmed) angelic tone that plays when walking toward it, where Control and Synthesis have sinister music. 

As for why they show Shepard breathing in destroy if you have a high enough GaW, maybe Shepard is indoctrinated when he wakes up. You could probably think of a reason for it.

Yes but that would be the only ending where the breathing scene even COMES UP. It does not appear in Control, and in fact, Destruction is the only one in which he is shown breathing, despite being directly lied to and told it leads to his death.

This is just me thinking aloud, so to speak, but while I can agree that there are hints that the end sequence could be some kind of dream/hallucination, possibly created by indoctrination (I don't believe it, but there is some compelling stuff nonetheless) there is no evidence that destroy is actually the 'break free' option, just speculation and with that in mind I thought I may as well put my thoughts out there - maybe control is the 'break free' option.

Well, we appreciate you thinking about us, stay and learn more.

[StElmo]

byne wrote...

StElmo wrote...

byne wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Yeah, I pretty much feel like all the DLC of ME2 was canon and BioWare shows no qualms about it.

If you didnt play Arrival it really doesnt make much sense as to why you're being detained on Earth either.

I think the supposed reason they give is because you worked with Cerberus, but so did Joker and Chakwas, and they didnt get detained.

If you didnt do Arrival theres really no reason for Shep to have come to Earth, allowed the Alliance to detain her, and let them impound the Normandy.

Arrival happened wether you played it or not.

The destruction of the batarian system did, yes, but if you didnt play it, Shepard wasnt the one who blew it up, it was a group of Alliance marines.

lol, really? why id they even bother changing that, so unecessary. Then again, there is a lot of unecessary in the ending.

[Arian Dynas]

StElmo wrote...

byne wrote...

StElmo wrote...

byne wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Yeah, I pretty much feel like all the DLC of ME2 was canon and BioWare shows no qualms about it.

If you didnt play Arrival it really doesnt make much sense as to why you're being detained on Earth either.

I think the supposed reason they give is because you worked with Cerberus, but so did Joker and Chakwas, and they didnt get detained.

If you didnt do Arrival theres really no reason for Shep to have come to Earth, allowed the Alliance to detain her, and let them impound the Normandy.

Arrival happened wether you played it or not.

The destruction of the batarian system did, yes, but if you didnt play it, Shepard wasnt the one who blew it up, it was a group of Alliance marines.

lol, really? why id they even bother changing that, so unecessary. Then again, there is a lot of unecessary in the ending.

They wanted n00bs to not feel left out. The fact is though, looking at it, it all seems a VERY token effort. As far as they are concerned, Shepard saved the queen on Noveria, saved the council, either nominated Anderson to the council, whom stepped down, or nominated Udina, helped Liara tackle the Shadow Broker, and blew up the Alpha relay, becoming a Batarian war-criminal.

[StElmo]

Arian Dynas wrote...

StElmo wrote...

byne wrote...

StElmo wrote...

byne wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Yeah, I pretty much feel like all the DLC of ME2 was canon and BioWare shows no qualms about it.

If you didnt play Arrival it really doesnt make much sense as to why you're being detained on Earth either.

I think the supposed reason they give is because you worked with Cerberus, but so did Joker and Chakwas, and they didnt get detained.

If you didnt do Arrival theres really no reason for Shep to have come to Earth, allowed the Alliance to detain her, and let them impound the Normandy.

Arrival happened wether you played it or not.

The destruction of the batarian system did, yes, but if you didnt play it, Shepard wasnt the one who blew it up, it was a group of Alliance marines.

lol, really? why id they even bother changing that, so unecessary. Then again, there is a lot of unecessary in the ending.

They wanted n00bs to not feel left out. The fact is though, looking at it, it all seems a VERY token effort. As far as they are concerned, Shepard saved the queen on Noveria, saved the council, either nominated Anderson to the council, whom stepped down, or nominated Udina, helped Liara tackle the Shadow Broker, and blew up the Alpha relay, becoming a Batarian war-criminal.

y'know some of us did pay a lot of money for these games, the more I think about it, the more they are pretty lucky not to have legal action. Not that I would personally, waste of time and effort. But, the way we get led on by the marketing is a bit sad ):

but is that just being "entitled"? I dunno its sad though ):

Modifié par StElmo, 14 avril 2012 - 07:26 .

[byne]

StElmo wrote...

y'know some of us did pay a lot of money for these games, the more I think about it, the more they are pretty lucky not to have legal action. Not that I would personally, waste of time and effort. But, the way we get led on by the marketing is a bit sad ):

but is that just being "entitled"? I dunno its sad though ):

Well, we're entitled to the game we were told we were paying for, so while it may be entitled, it isnt wrong to have a sense of entitlement in this case.

My favorite quote is this one:



They had to know they were at the very least being dishonest with that quote if they actually intended the current endings all along.

[Arian Dynas]

StElmo wrote...

y'know some of us did pay a lot of money for these games, the more I think about it, the more they are pretty lucky not to have legal action. Not that I would personally, waste of time and effort. But, the way we get led on by the marketing is a bit sad ):

but is that just being "entitled"? I dunno its sad though ):

No need. Because you've got IDT

Seriously. We're getting a satisfying ending one way or another.


Yeah, but the phrase "It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings," is very telling, hence why I think they are deliberately playing with the ABC thing.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 14 avril 2012 - 07:37 .

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

StElmo wrote...

y'know some of us did pay a lot of money for these games, the more I think about it, the more they are pretty lucky not to have legal action. Not that I would personally, waste of time and effort. But, the way we get led on by the marketing is a bit sad ):

but is that just being "entitled"? I dunno its sad though ):

No need. Because you've got IDT

Seriously. We're getting a satisfying ending one way or another.

My ending is not satisfying until I see Shepard and Liara reunite and have lots of little blue children. IT lets me believe its possible for it to happen, but I shan't be satisfied until I actually see it! 

[Vahilor]

Arian Dynas wrote...

StElmo wrote...

y'know some of us did pay a lot of money for these games, the more I think about it, the more they are pretty lucky not to have legal action. Not that I would personally, waste of time and effort. But, the way we get led on by the marketing is a bit sad ):

but is that just being "entitled"? I dunno its sad though ):

No need. Because you've got IDT

Seriously. We're getting a satisfying ending one way or another.

Hopfully we will... but even with IDT they can mess up a lot.. 

[N7xELITE]

This may seem like a stupid question but if IT is wrong than why does the Catalyst take the form of the kid ???

[balance5050]

N7xELITE wrote...

This may seem like a stupid question but if IT is wrong than why does the Catalyst take the form of the kid ???

If I.T. is wrong? That's easy: 

[MaximizedAction]

Arian Dynas wrote...

StElmo wrote...

y'know some of us did pay a lot of money for these games, the more I think about it, the more they are pretty lucky not to have legal action. Not that I would personally, waste of time and effort. But, the way we get led on by the marketing is a bit sad ):

but is that just being "entitled"? I dunno its sad though ):

No need. Because you've got IDT

Seriously. We're getting a satisfying ending one way or another.


Yeah, but the phrase "It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings," is very telling, hence why I think they are deliberately playing with the ABC thing.

^this. Exactly my suspicion. It's just way too "No, there are FIVE lights!"

[Vahilor]

N7xELITE wrote...

This may seem like a stupid question but if IT is wrong than why does the Catalyst take the form of the kid ???

Cause Star brats are a very original solutuin for BW.. and cause children are inocennt poor cratures poor Shep has to listen too and has to believe all stuff they say.. *irony out*

If it is real (and I really hope not) the child is a form to convince Shep to do the things STar Brat (Reapers) wants... and to appeal to his guilt cause he could not save the dumb brat getting killed by the Reapers.

[N7xELITE]

balance5050 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

This may seem like a stupid question but if IT is wrong than why does the Catalyst take the form of the kid ???

If I.T. is wrong? That's easy: 

So that means you fight through a massive war just to get to some god dam space magic http://ts4.mm.bing.n...3a897ef7d5ca1a2

[balance5050]

Vahilor wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

This may seem like a stupid question but if IT is wrong than why does the Catalyst take the form of the kid ???

Cause Star brats are a very original solutuin for BW.. and cause children are inocennt poor cratures poor Shep has to listen too and has to believe all stuff they say.. *irony out*

If it is real (and I really hope not) the child is a form to convince Shep to do the things STar Brat (Reapers) wants... and to appeal to his guilt cause he could not save the dumb brat getting killed by the Reapers.

That's what gets me though, if what he says is true and he is only an AI, He has no business pulling from your memories.

[schneeland]

byne wrote...

[...]



They had to know they were at the very least being dishonest with that quote if they actually intended the current endings all along.

Yeah, that one is a really appaling contraction. And probably as bad:
Whether you’re happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an

ending. BioWare will not do a “Lost” and leave fans with more questions

than answers after finishing the game.

While I have accepted that advertisements often promise more than the products keep, this "quality" of contradiction is really new.

And yes, I'm also in for the blue baby part. Even though I think, Liara and me have earned ourselves very long holidays before.

Modifié par schneeland, 14 avril 2012 - 07:50 .

[N7xELITE]

 Also i know this is funny but it makes a point http://ts4.mm.bing.n...677bf57facfff11

[N7xELITE]

balance5050 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

This may seem like a stupid question but if IT is wrong than why does the Catalyst take the form of the kid ???

Cause Star brats are a very original solutuin for BW.. and cause children are inocennt poor cratures poor Shep has to listen too and has to believe all stuff they say.. *irony out*

If it is real (and I really hope not) the child is a form to convince Shep to do the things STar Brat (Reapers) wants... and to appeal to his guilt cause he could not save the dumb brat getting killed by the Reapers.

That's what gets me though, if what he says is true and he is only an AI, He has no business pulling from your memories.

I bet shepard was thinking why a kid <_< i hate space magic 

[lex0r11]

N7xELITE wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

This may seem like a stupid question but if IT is wrong than why does the Catalyst take the form of the kid ???

Cause Star brats are a very original solutuin for BW.. and cause children are inocennt poor cratures poor Shep has to listen too and has to believe all stuff they say.. *irony out*

If it is real (and I really hope not) the child is a form to convince Shep to do the things STar Brat (Reapers) wants... and to appeal to his guilt cause he could not save the dumb brat getting killed by the Reapers.

That's what gets me though, if what he says is true and he is only an AI, He has no business pulling from your memories.

I bet shepard was thinking why a kid <_< i hate space magic 

[blooregard]

schneeland wrote...

byne wrote...

[...]



They had to know they were at the very least being dishonest with that quote if they actually intended the current endings all along.

Yeah, that one is a really appaling contraction. And probably as bad:
Whether you’re happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an

ending. BioWare will not do a “Lost” and leave fans with more questions

than answers after finishing the game.

While I have accepted that advertisements often promise more than the products keep, this "quality" of contradiction is really new.

And yes, I'm also in for the blue baby part. Even though I think, Liara and me have earned ourselves very long holidays before.

I'm sure everything would be alot better when it comes to the ending if Mac and Casey fessed up to what they said and how they lied.