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Demon King Oda wrote...

Please do not use indoctrination theory. Stick to your story if this is the only other option. Don't make it worse.



Rephrased:

If your zhitty story has only one alternative of just odd... then stay with the crappy.:blink:

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Golferguy758 wrote...

I really need some of my IT buddies to play MP with.


Go ahead, add me in Origin. Name's iphyZ.

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N7xELITE wrote...

To be honest i think that mass effect 3 is screwed up.



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byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

I really need some of my IT buddies to play MP with.


Was about to say I'd play with you, but then I checked your registered games, and you've got the PC version :(

Also, speaking of multiplayer, I totally want the new multiplayer weapons in single player. I love my geth smg


Huh? I thought, PC and Console players where linked to the same network.

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schneeland wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

I really need some of my IT buddies to play MP with.


Was about to say I'd play with you, but then I checked your registered games, and you've got the PC version :(

Also, speaking of multiplayer, I totally want the new multiplayer weapons in single player. I love my geth smg


Huh? I thought, PC and Console players where linked to the same network.


Nope. But this is a good thing, since PC players are in the advantage of having a mouse. Targeting works better with a mouse than with a stick. So it's more democratic the way it is.

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schneeland wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

I really need some of my IT buddies to play MP with.


Was about to say I'd play with you, but then I checked your registered games, and you've got the PC version :(

Also, speaking of multiplayer, I totally want the new multiplayer weapons in single player. I love my geth smg


Huh? I thought, PC and Console players where linked to the same network.


The only crossover network i know of is portal 2.

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You guys can add me on origin too. Same name as here.

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Ok. I guess I had misunderstood that. And I have to admit that headshots are possibly a little too easy on PC - even I can do them and my twitch skills are notoriously low ;)

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schneeland wrote...

Ok. I guess I had misunderstood that. And I have to admit that headshots are possibly a little too easy on PC - even I can do them and my twitch skills are notoriously low ;)


Try them with a XBox Controller, they are little tricky with this one :P

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Vahilor wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Ok. I guess I had misunderstood that. And I have to admit that headshots are possibly a little too easy on PC - even I can do them and my twitch skills are notoriously low ;)


Try them with a XBox Controller, they are little tricky with this one :P


I guess if I ever do that, my group will be beaten even on bronze ;)

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Speaking of crossovers.

Watch this video.
youtu.be/mdWkKKSckNk

Then see this picture and put it as a scene in it.
fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/282/9/8/mass_effect__michael_by_pen_gwyn-d4c9l7i.jpg

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lex0r11 wrote...

Speaking of crossovers.

Watch this video.
youtu.be/mdWkKKSckNk

Then see this picture and put it as a scene in it.
fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/282/9/8/mass_effect__michael_by_pen_gwyn-d4c9l7i.jpg


Awesome! Plain awesome!

#36538
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Apologies for the wall of text. I tried to cut it down but... so much I wanted to reply to in the half a day I was gone.

[quote]Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Yeah he knew how to get around :lol:
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That's an understatement and a half. TIM got more ass than a public toilet at Grand Central Station. I remember reading that dossier and at the end of the long list of women it reads "(This week)". It's only tuesday you bastard, I hate you so much!

Mass Effect 4 won't be about Reapers. It's going to be about TIM's children, so numerous experts will argue they qualify as their own species. It'll be like the Bhaalspawn all over again except... except... no actually I guess it'll be exactly like that.

[quote]Legion109 wrote...

And now a special message from Grunt.

"I am KROGAN!!!!!"

This has been a special message from Grunt thank you.[/quote]

I love playing a krogan in MP just for the dialogue.

FOR TUCHANKA!

[quote]Nauks wrote...

About Shepard and Vega trading blows.

It's a bit iffy when taken literally sure, but technically speaking, I'd argue that Shepard is probably even stronger and deadlier with her hands than Vega, considering her synthetic Terminator-ish body, I imagine Shepard could run through a brick wall if she wanted to.
We even se her beating up the frigging Shadow Broker in ME2 :D
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Very true, but censorhappy ****s rarely bother to check into things like that. They take everything at face value, and face value there is FemShep barely dodging an uppercut from a guy whose arm is thicker than her chest.

[quote]EpyonX3 wrote...

He was holding his gut before he shot anderson. His arms and hands were already covered in blood. This isn't evidence for IT any longer.

Here's tghe proof.
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Seriously, "proof" and "evidence" are not the same thing. Proof is absolutely conclusive. Evidence is suggestive but not definitive. Everything both sides have are evidence. There is nothing absolutely conclusive one way or the other.

But on the topic at hand. If they bothered to animate Shepard with all that blood, why doesn't Anderson have any? Especially where he was shot? And while Shepard was bloodied in various points, the blood is clearly pooling from the abdominal wound s/he was holding. That very strongly suggests that that particular area was bleeding profusely.

[quote]Ravel1992 wrote...

No, he is Superman.

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That is why he survived re-entry in Destroy ending.
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That. Is. Awesome. A krogan-shaped cookie for you, good sir.

[quote]Nauks wrote...

Speaking of which, you should ask Rifneno about the Prothean VI on Thessia in regards to the indoctrination plot, I've heard he loves that Posted Image
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Indeed. People who think only krogan get blood rage haven't seen me when I get asked that question.

[quote]Golferguy758 wrote...

Honestly, a better reason for why Shep's arm isn't covered in blood at the starkid scene would be a graphical glitch. I'd believe that a lot faster than I would believe that Shepard all of a sudden stopped pouring blood out of his conviently placed gunshot wound.
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I guess we can chalk that one up right next to how Shepard's scars re-appear in the ending. Geez, there sure is a massive concentration of graphical bugs in the ending, aren't there? :)

[quote]IronSabbath88 wrote...

Rifneno, you're a WWE fan?

If IT is true, do you know what I'm going to post here?

A gif of Daniel Bryan and "YES! YES! YES! YES!"[/quote]

Honestly I haven't been able to watch SD since JBL made the title a joke. I just could never get back into it. But while we're on the subject, is it just me or does Orton's theme remind you of IT? Soon as I hear that "I gear voices in my head" my mind switches back to this thread. "Voices" by Rev Theory if anyone who doesn't watch it is curious what I'm talking about. I'd link a YouTube of it if I could find one with sound quality I wouldn't describe as "eternal damnation".

[quote]Golferguy758 wrote...

So, maybe it's just me, but I've more or less moved on from Mass Effect because of how Bioware has been handling everything. I think the only reason I post here is cause of the people I've met. It's also the reason why I support the threads as I do. Not for me, but so other people can get to happier conclusions and such.[/quote]

I know this debacle sucks, but try to remember all the greatness ME has given us that drew you here in the first place. The last ten minutes sure sucked, but it was a hell of a ride getting there. I don't like sci-fi and I don't like shooters yet this is still far and away my favorite series of all time.

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

You really have it in for that theory don't you? You know, VISUAL confirmation can peirce Normandy's stealth, and from what I recall of the scene, where the Collector Ship dropped out of FTL, you could have thrown a rock from the Normandy and hit it.[/quote]

The dialogue says otherwise. The Normandy's long range scanners had just picked up the Collector cruiser when it changed course to attack the Normandy. That clearly tells us the Collector vessel was far away when it detected the Normandy. Check the wikia, I'm not the only one who drew that conclusion.

[quote]But... on the other hand, the Germans like David Hasslehoff, and the French like their peas canned, and think Jerry Lewis is a genius.[/quote]

And let's not for Germany's most horrifying obsession.

... What? Why are you looking me like that? Sauerkraut is a crime against nature.

[quote]schneeland wrote...

Well, if we consider the unofficial Weeves interview, than there are at least minor signs of rushing (he mentions resource problems quite often). However, he also applies that to ME2, so ME3 probably shouldn't be considered extremely rushed in any case. Also, I had "only" one crash, suggesting that at least from the technical side the game was polished enough.[/quote]

Agreed. Every game has some to cut some stuff and deal with deadlines. There's no solid evidence ME3 was rushed IMO.

[quote]SulacoKate wrote...

The PC version had lots of bugs that the previous games did not have any hint of. Floaty characters, getting stuck on scenery, an abysmal moment (for me) when in the midst of an emotive sequence a character disappeared:[/quote]

I don't know about anyone else but I got stuck in scenery WAY too often in ME2. Very rarely happens in ME3. Only times I can remember is that one specific bug that disables movement sometimes when you're in the cockpit next to Joker. The strongest evidence any ME was rushed was actually in ME1. There were about 3 different "dungeon" zones used for like 40 zones. Now that looks like a rush job IMO.

[quote]IronSabbath88 wrote...

I think a lot of people are just... upset? That BioWare actually fooled them. I think they may have dragged it out a bit too long, but I'm absolutely convinced they had this or something similar planned. [/quote]

I'm replying to way too much and making this post way too long, but I have to add that I agree completely. 100%.

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

I have PLAYED rushed games, alot of them in fact, Dungeon Lords, The Temple of Elemental Evil and many, MANY more, Mass Effect 3 is in NO way a rushed game, the issues you are talking about are minor cosmetic issues that some people only experience part of the time, and are an occasional issue of the game engine itself (the same things would happen in ME2) That does not "Reek of a rushed release" and it annoys me that you claim it to be so. I have seen rushed releases, and sincerely wish the people here at BSN could get a better idea of what a rushed release actually IS. The fact is, Bioware spoils us. We get solid games with good plot and characters, solid engines prone to few bugs, and well tested games with regular patches.
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Best example of a rushed game: Xenogears. PSX jRPG. Disc 1 was incredible. The game is often called a masterpiece because it was so great. Disc 2 made baby Jesus cry. There were hour and a half long cutscenes that served almost no purpose and accomplished nothing. I'm not kidding, I literally timed one at an hour and 20 minutes. They just started telling you about big epic dungeons and battles that you were supposed to experience.

[quote]schneeland wrote...

Didn't they say that the other Rachni queen was cloned? (not that this isn't nearly equally dumb) I don't have a playthough were I killed her, but that's what I got from other threads.[/quote]

Yeah. She really only exists to explain all the ravagers.

[quote]byne wrote...

They could try, but remember what he did to that room full of Darkspawn in Fort Drakon? That would have been a tough fight even for the Warden, but he apparently pulled it off fairly easily.
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Sandal is clearly Commander Shepard in disguise. Look at that ogre in the Deep Roads and tell me it wasn't hit by the M-622 Avalanche.

[quote]byne wrote...

On a random note, Bioware needs to let us specifically buy multiplayer equipment with our credits. Make that one equipment pack they had that one weekend permanent. I have 158 Thermal Clip Packs, 126 Cobra Missile Launchers, and only 10 Medi-Gel and 16 Ops Survival Packs.[/quote]

QFT. God I omniloathe the casino they use right now. To the point where I want to buy some packs with BWP not just for the new classes but because I'm glad to give BW a few more bucks for all the joy this series has brought me. But I don't do it because I know it just validates this atrocious business model. Being forced to gamble for every upgrade is BS.

[quote]Various people wrote...

(Stuff about MP names)[/quote]

I'm Veladus on the PC version, since we're adding our infos. Fair warning though, I don't use VC and while I don't suck I'm not exactly a top tier player.

#36539
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I'm really sorry. ^^'

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Man, my geth engineer is really fragile. 313 health, 938 shields.

The shields seems nice, but hunter mode cuts them in half, so I only have 469 >.>

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MaximizedAction wrote...

On a random note:

videogames.memebase.com/2012/04/14/video-game-memes-mindgasm/  :blink:


More of that from this guy http://neehs.deviantart.com/gallery/
Don't know how he animates them but he does great work with the game assets.

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 Just to point out regarding the fake Rachni queen. If you let the fake one live she will turn upon you later and strip away some war readiness. It is not entirely for nothing the choice we made back in ME1.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

 Just to point out regarding the fake Rachni queen. If you let the fake one live she will turn upon you later and strip away some war readiness. It is not entirely for nothing the choice we made back in ME1.


Yep, exactly.  That's what I meant when I said she's really only there to explain away all the ravagers in the game.  Without her there's no good reason they should exist.  And simply removing them if the real queen died would make any part with ravagers way too easy.

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Something I don't think anyone's mentioned about the Indoctrination Theory yet...

There's indication back in the Arrival DLC that Shepard's already in contact with the Reapers and potentially indoctrinated. Consider: Object Rho allowed Harbinger to take over Dr. Kenson, as demonstrated by the glowing yellow eyes. Shepard was hit by Object Rho's pulse. At the end of Arrival, upon making it to the landing pad, Shepard is then confronted by what appears to be a hologram of Harbinger.

Except it can't be a hologram. Harbinger appears, a hundred feet high, on a blank landing pad with no projection equipment. Harbinger is appearing in Shepard's mind at this point, in the same way he spoke to, and through, Kenson.

Even if indoctrination hadn't started earlier, even if Cerberus didn't implant Reaper tech along with all their cybernetics during Project Lazarus, we can establish the interaction with Object Rho as the earliest demonstration of hard evidence that the Reapers are attempting to indoctrinate Shepard.

Of course... BioWare is not going to use all this setup.  They now seem to be committed to presenting everything that happened in the ending as literal.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 14 avril 2012 - 10:01 .


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Demon King Oda wrote...

Please do not use indoctrination theory. Stick to your story if this is the only other option. Don't make it worse.



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Sable Phoenix wrote...

Something I don't think anyone's mentioned about the Indoctrination Theory yet...

There's indication back in the Arrival DLC that Shepard's already in contact with the Reapers and potentially indoctrinated. Consider: Object Rho allowed Harbinger to take over Dr. Kenson (as demonstrated by the glowing yellow eyes. Shepard was hit by Object Rho's pulse. At the end of Arrival, upon making it to the landing pad, Shepard is then confronted by what appears to be a hologram of Harbinger.

Except it can't be a hologram. Harbinger appears, a hundred feet high, on a blank landing pad with no projection equipment. Harbinger is appearing in Shepard's mind at this point, in the same way he spoke to, and through, Kenson.

Even if indoctrination hadn't started earlier, even if Cerberus didn't implant Reaper tech along with all their cybernetics during Project Lazarus, we can establish the interaction with Object Rho as the earliest demonstration of hard evidence that the Reapers are attempting to indoctrinate Shepard.

Of course... BioWare is not going to use all this setup.  They now seem to be committed to presenting everything that happened in the ending as literal.




Yeah I always wondered why Harbinger just appeared out of no where. I think at the end of Arrival Hackett comes and checks on Shepard and asks if he's ok to which shep responds "I'm not getting the visions anymore if thats what you're aksing"" (paraphrasing but one of them said something along those lines)


I think one of the biggest problems people have with the IT is that while Arrival is probably the biggest indoctrination bath Shepard has been in (damn near 3 days) it doesn't necessarily happen (since if you didn't play/buy Arrival a marine team does the same thing you would have done but they don't make it)

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blooregard wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Something I don't think anyone's mentioned about the Indoctrination Theory yet...

There's indication back in the Arrival DLC that Shepard's already in contact with the Reapers and potentially indoctrinated. Consider: Object Rho allowed Harbinger to take over Dr. Kenson (as demonstrated by the glowing yellow eyes. Shepard was hit by Object Rho's pulse. At the end of Arrival, upon making it to the landing pad, Shepard is then confronted by what appears to be a hologram of Harbinger.

Except it can't be a hologram. Harbinger appears, a hundred feet high, on a blank landing pad with no projection equipment. Harbinger is appearing in Shepard's mind at this point, in the same way he spoke to, and through, Kenson.

Even if indoctrination hadn't started earlier, even if Cerberus didn't implant Reaper tech along with all their cybernetics during Project Lazarus, we can establish the interaction with Object Rho as the earliest demonstration of hard evidence that the Reapers are attempting to indoctrinate Shepard.

Of course... BioWare is not going to use all this setup.  They now seem to be committed to presenting everything that happened in the ending as literal.




Yeah I always wondered why Harbinger just appeared out of no where. I think at the end of Arrival Hackett comes and checks on Shepard and asks if he's ok to which shep responds "I'm not getting the visions anymore if thats what you're aksing"" (paraphrasing but one of them said something along those lines)


I think one of the biggest problems people have with the IT is that while Arrival is probably the biggest indoctrination bath Shepard has been in (damn near 3 days) it doesn't necessarily happen (since if you didn't play/buy Arrival a marine team does the same thing you would have done but they don't make it)


(I'm reading this thread for new info) I understand that point and I think Bioware could just say "the reapers are after Shepard" or they can say something about now Earth they were able to break him/her down slowly when shep was in jail.

#36548
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Cucobr wrote...

Demon King Oda wrote...

Please do not use indoctrination theory. Stick to your story if this is the only other option. Don't make it worse.



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Noooo no Power Rangers.. now my whole world is broken :crying:

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Hey, has anyone noticed the inconsistencies within anderson's skill tree in the beginning?
Just an example:

Rank 5 of "alliance admiral": increase sniper rifle damage by 45%

Now i don't know about you guys, but i sure as s**t do not remember anderson sporting a sniper rifle...

Aaah...all these hints. And still, we got nothi g.

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Modifié par N7xELITE, 14 avril 2012 - 10:36 .