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[Lugaidster]

forsaken gamer wrote...

Interestingly, I was looking at the bik files in the movies folder, and
noticed that there are good and bad ending videos for the blue and red,
but only a good video of the green.  No bad green video.

Define good and bad...

[Leiha]

I've been sleeping from about page 90.. Any big updates?

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

This is probably way to far out but:

On the last mission against cerberus you witness your own revival from ME2 on their computers logs and how shepard is braindead (Note: They seem very clear that you really are GONE). Now... we all knew this from ME2. Why teaspoon this back into us near the end of the game UNLESS it had a purpose? Now also consider the Illusive man has had reaper tech for a long time.

What if the real shepard really did die in the start of ME2?

Again look at this: "Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years."

Shepard was out cold a long time. Could it be possible that the illusive man got Shepard indoctrinated when revived (Purposely or not doesent matter) - that the Illusive man used reaper tech as part of his cybernetic implants? Or that shepards memories are fake and he is infact a sleeper agent or atleast not the original shepard?

[xDarkspace]

Leiha wrote...

I've been sleeping from about page 90.. Any big updates?

its getting clearer that this is a dream/indoctranation

[Lugaidster]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Celrath wrote...

Something to make you go Hmmm .

[snipped images]

That means nothing. I could argue that the Reapers are V'Ger from the Star Trek The Motion Picture using that logic.

Dude! Seriously! What's with the BM. No need for that.

I'm sorry, I'm overreacting to people using things as proof that really aren't anything of the sort because of some things I've had to deal with in real life recently. No offense was intended.

No problem mate Just trying to keep the thread nice. Even if all of this is wishful thinking...

[krystalevenstar]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but there's a track on the CE soundtrack called 'Betrayal' following the credit music. I don't think I recognize it from in-game anywhere...

Edit: It sure as **** sounds like it could be a boss battle BG though...

Edit 2: There's 2 tracks after credits called, CE Extra - Betrayal, and CE Extra - Creation, neither of which I recognize from anywhere in the game. If someone does, could they please point it out to me?

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 12 mars 2012 - 07:07 .

[N3vDawg]

Linus108 wrote...

XCMichael wrote...

Linus108 wrote...

Can someone explain to me (if this theory is correct), how Shepard wakes up in London? If she was indoctrinated, wouldn't that be game over? How did she awake from the hallucination?

Also wouldn't the reapers have destroyed all of earth if she had failed...

Implied in this thread: Shepard never boarded the Citadel! The part starting from when Shepad "wakes up" from Harbinger's blast to the "ending" is the whole process of indoctrintation. The secret ending shows Shepard really waking up after solidifying his resolve to destroy the Reapers (ie, choosing the red destroy option).

Okay, this is the clarification I needed. So you are saying that: Shepard broke from the indoctrination process: and that is why Shepard woke up. 

What was confusing me is, I assumed that once you are indoctrinated, that's it. That you can't really fight it. Now the choices at the end do make sense. 

But this is shepard we're talking about here. Shepard is one tough SOB

[byne]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

This is probably way to far out but:

On the last mission against cerberus you witness your own revival from ME2 on their computers logs and how shepard is braindead (Note: They seem very clear that you really are GONE). Now... we all knew this from ME2. Why teaspoon this back into us near the end of the game UNLESS it had a purpose? Now also consider the Illusive man has had reaper tech for a long time.

What if the real shepard really did die in the start of ME2?

Again look at this: "Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years."

Shepard was out cold a long time. Could it be possible that the illusive man got Shepard indoctrinated when revived (Purposely or not doesent matter) - that the Illusive man used reaper tech as part of his cybernetic implants? Or that shepards memories are fake and he is infact a sleeper agent or atleast not the original shepard?

Well, I brought Liara with me on that mission, and she was also my LI, and when that part came up, with Shep questioning if she was really herself or not, Liara said she knew since the first time she touched Shep that it really was her, and since Liara can do that mind joining thing, I think she'd be in a position to know for sure.

[J717]

Leiha wrote...

I've been sleeping from about page 90.. Any big updates?

I'm with you there...but no, sadly.

I'll wait until the 3/15, when the worldwide release concludes to see if the 1M1 theories hold any water, or if BioWare will at least say SOMETHING that day or the day after.

All i know is....when I wake up tomorrow, this thread will be like 450 pages long at this rate, LOL. Keep fighting the good fight, folks. 

[xDarkspace]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

This is probably way to far out but:

On the last mission against cerberus you witness your own revival from ME2 on their computers logs and how shepard is braindead (Note: They seem very clear that you really are GONE). Now... we all knew this from ME2. Why teaspoon this back into us near the end of the game UNLESS it had a purpose? Now also consider the Illusive man has had reaper tech for a long time.

What if the real shepard really did die in the start of ME2?

Again look at this: "Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years."

Shepard was out cold a long time. Could it be possible that the illusive man got Shepard indoctrinated when revived (Purposely or not doesent matter) - that the Illusive man used reaper tech as part of his cybernetic implants? Or that shepards memories are fake and he is infact a sleeper agent or atleast not the original shepard?

but tali said that your real and hers for ever

[XCMichael]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

This is probably way to far out but:

On the last mission against cerberus you witness your own revival from ME2 on their computers logs and how shepard is braindead (Note: They seem very clear that you really are GONE). Now... we all knew this from ME2. Why teaspoon this back into us near the end of the game UNLESS it had a purpose? Now also consider the Illusive man has had reaper tech for a long time.

What if the real shepard really did die in the start of ME2?

Again look at this: "Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years."

Shepard was out cold a long time. Could it be possible that the illusive man got Shepard indoctrinated when revived (Purposely or not doesent matter) - that the Illusive man used reaper tech as part of his cybernetic implants? Or that shepards memories are fake and he is infact a sleeper agent or atleast not the original shepard?

Well another reason is maybe for giving new players some sort of background info to ME2 and ME1? I am not saying it's not possible. It's a stretch though, which is saying something, considering the sort of "crazy" ideas people have come up with in this thread XD. Its something to think about at least.

Modifié par XCMichael, 12 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[N3vDawg]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

This is probably way to far out but:

On the last mission against cerberus you witness your own revival from ME2 on their computers logs and how shepard is braindead (Note: They seem very clear that you really are GONE). Now... we all knew this from ME2. Why teaspoon this back into us near the end of the game UNLESS it had a purpose? Now also consider the Illusive man has had reaper tech for a long time.

What if the real shepard really did die in the start of ME2?

Again look at this: "Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years."

Shepard was out cold a long time. Could it be possible that the illusive man got Shepard indoctrinated when revived (Purposely or not doesent matter) - that the Illusive man used reaper tech as part of his cybernetic implants? Or that shepards memories are fake and he is infact a sleeper agent or atleast not the original shepard?

Super important point you just pointed out. As cool as it was, it might serve a bigger purpose, although it might also complicate the story further as well.

[krystalevenstar]

The major revelations of the last few dozens of pages is some extended/unused dialogue found in the game assets.

[J717]

xDarkspace wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

This is probably way to far out but:

On the last mission against cerberus you witness your own revival from ME2 on their computers logs and how shepard is braindead (Note: They seem very clear that you really are GONE). Now... we all knew this from ME2. Why teaspoon this back into us near the end of the game UNLESS it had a purpose? Now also consider the Illusive man has had reaper tech for a long time.

What if the real shepard really did die in the start of ME2?

Again look at this: "Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years."

Shepard was out cold a long time. Could it be possible that the illusive man got Shepard indoctrinated when revived (Purposely or not doesent matter) - that the Illusive man used reaper tech as part of his cybernetic implants? Or that shepards memories are fake and he is infact a sleeper agent or atleast not the original shepard?

but tali said that your real and hers for ever

The Prothean VI has the ability to detect indoctrinated beings like Kai Leng, and it did not at any point of contact with Shepard detect that he was indoctrinated.

[N3vDawg]

J717 wrote...

Leiha wrote...

I've been sleeping from about page 90.. Any big updates?

I'm with you there...but no, sadly.

I'll wait until the 3/15, when the worldwide release concludes to see if the 1M1 theories hold any water, or if BioWare will at least say SOMETHING that day or the day after.

All i know is....when I wake up tomorrow, this thread will be like 450 pages long at this rate, LOL. Keep fighting the good fight, folks. 

Ok, I keep seeing these "1m1" theories mentioned. Any links to clarify this?

[BahamutZ]

Something that I also realized is that there is no final boss confrontation in the game. Regardless of your choices in the games, you fought Saren/Soverign in ME1, and the human reaper in ME2. After you get through the admittedly epic fights to get there (4 brutes bioware? ouchy) there is no boss fight to end the game. It seems like there should be something more... too many comments from people made me realize that the sheer carelessness of the current ending cannot possibly be the true end. Too much doesn't add up. Here's hoping bioware has something interesting in store for us.

[Lazirus]

The probability of this actually being accurate stuns me.

Great work on this theory.

[Lugaidster]

N3vDawg wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

This is probably way to far out but:

On the last mission against cerberus you witness your own revival from ME2 on their computers logs and how shepard is braindead (Note: They seem very clear that you really are GONE). Now... we all knew this from ME2. Why teaspoon this back into us near the end of the game UNLESS it had a purpose? Now also consider the Illusive man has had reaper tech for a long time.

What if the real shepard really did die in the start of ME2?

Again look at this: "Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years."

Shepard was out cold a long time. Could it be possible that the illusive man got Shepard indoctrinated when revived (Purposely or not doesent matter) - that the Illusive man used reaper tech as part of his cybernetic implants? Or that shepards memories are fake and he is infact a sleeper agent or atleast not the original shepard?

Super important point you just pointed out. As cool as it was, it might serve a bigger purpose, although it might also complicate the story further as well.

I think it was there to close that story arc. I think your conclusion after those scenes should be that Shepard is indeed Shepard.

[humes spork]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Such a manoeuvre would not be the most epic stunt in gaming history, it would be the most epic betrayal in gaming history.

Opposed to what, the game having a truly epic, incredible, emotional ending that's the greatest experience in the history of gaming only to have a pack of little pricks online go all "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" across the entire internet, before the game even so much as went retail?

[shimoyake]

@SomeoneStoleMyName:

I agree entirely. Hearing just HOW dead Shepard was made me... shockingly nervous. It seemed to confirm my long-standing theories (which began at Shep's first nightmare) that something was very wrong with our hero. The disturbed look on Shepard's face shot right through me. Shepard wondering if she was maybe just an advanced AI (or VI, I forget which she said) that only THINKS it's Commander Shepard was stomach-turning.

My love interest's comment of "You're real enough for me" was not comforting, even if it was intended as such. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, so to speak. I see no other reason for bringing this information up again, especially so late in the game.

For that matter, do we still not know how the Virmire Survivor escaped the Seeker Swarms on Horizon in ME2? That STILL makes me nervous. Something being off there could also explain why, for example, Kaidan doesn't comment about any sort 'hum' or otherwise bothersome effect, but James does.

:/

[Dilandau3000]

Let's apply Occam's Razor to this problem.

What's the simpler explanation: that it's a fiendishly clever ploy to deceive players and surprise them at a later date with the real ending, risking total outrage and risking a lot of players who don't follow gaming news religiously never even finding out about it, or that Bioware was pressed to get the game out on time, had to rush the ending (and/or change it due to leaks) and messed it up.

My money's on the latter.

That said, Myst 3 for the Mac was originally released with a glitch that made it impossible to get the best ending, though at least in that case the video files for that ending were on the disc, whereas the video files for ME3 obviously don't contain any other endings than the ones we got.

[Rahabzu]

They can definitely use unused dialogue to make a continued ending with ease if that wasn't their idea already.

[krystalevenstar]

Anyone with access to the CE soundtrack, could you take a listen to the last two 'CE - Extra' tracks, Betrayal and Creation, and see if you recognize them from anywhere in game?

[Lugaidster]

humes spork wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Such a manoeuvre would not be the most epic stunt in gaming history, it would be the most epic betrayal in gaming history.

Opposed to what, the game having a truly epic, incredible, emotional ending that's the greatest experience in the history of gaming only to have a pack of little pricks online go all "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" across the entire internet, before the game even so much as went retail?

While I appreciate the point that you're trying to make, let's keep the spoilers confined to the Mass Effect universe. I'm still not done with Harry Potter *sigh*...

[RabidChinaGirl]

forsaken gamer wrote...

Warhawk7137 wrote...

Warhawk7137 wrote...

My own intepretation is that the "catalyst" is 3 things in one: Harbinger, exerting as much hold as he can over Shepard; Shepard's subconscious manifestation of TIM; and Shepard's subconscious manifestation of Anderson.

The drawbacks of each choice are voiced by the other 2, essentially.  I.E., the stated drawbacks of the destroy ending are the destruction of synthetic life including the Geth and EDI (which is Harbinger playing on Shepard's fears, becasue Harbinger doesn't want the kind of harmony between synthetics and organics that Shepard has accomplished - he wants to domiante them), and the destruction of the relays (which is Shepard's subsoncious manifestation of TIM, trying to convince him that to destroy the Reapers would harm the galaxy by inhibiting technological progress, and that organics should use that power instead).  It also explains why the drawbacks for control and synthesis are essentially the same - because it's Anderson warning Shepard that, by going down either path, he will essentially lose himself, and everything he's stood for.  As for the synthesis ending, strictly speaking that's what the Reapers already are - a synthesis of organic and synthetic in a truly horrifying way.

So, there are really only 2 possible endings.  The catalyst fires and the Reapers are destroyed, or it doesn't and they aren't (because control means the Reapers win, because you can't control them).

Basically, the endings line up as follows:

Control: Arrogance.  Desire for power.  Represents the delusion that you are in control, like TIM, but you are not.  Ultimately futile.  Pride is your downfall.

Synthesis: Despair.  You give up.  Represents acceptance of the idea that organics and synthetics alike shouldn't be able to choose their own path.  Let the reapers win, and become one with them.

Destroy: Defiance.  Do what you set out to do in the first place.  Represents staying true to the belief that we ought to be able to make our own future.  Life doesn't need to be guided - it can guide itself.

Thread is moving pretty fast... anyone like this interpretation?

Sounds as good as any to me, right now.

I do believe like you, that choosing Synthesis [green(representing life as someone else posted?)] is giving up, unless that is what your Shepard truly believes in.  If your Shepard truly believed in Synthesis as the best way, that would seem to be quite a contradiction in his/her character within the story.

Interestingly, I was looking at the bik files in the movies folder, and
noticed that there are good and bad ending videos for the blue and red,
but only a good video of the green.  No bad green video.

I dig this interpretation as well!

My thoughts on the three are fairly similar, but there are a few questions.  If you choose to control the Reapers, why would you be vaporised in the process?  Does Shepard pull a Legion and destroy herself to channel her consciousness into the Reapers and make them leave?  Why not just have them destroy each other, if they're being controlled?

Synthesis feels completely ridiculous to me.  The Catalyst offers a poor argument for it, and I can't fathom why Shepard, as a character, would even consider throwing herself into a beam to contribute her DNA and turn everyone in existence into a hybrid of organic and synthetic.  What's the purpose of doing this? 

Destroying the Reapers seems most canon, since you set out to this all along (and Shep actually lives).  You'll destroy the geth and EDI in the process (ouch), but all of Shep's friends have repeatedly warned her of sacrificing for the greater good.  So really, sacrificing two artificial races seems a small price to pay to ensure the Reapers are gone for good; let the quarians rebuild the geth if you miss 'em enough.

Even in recognizing the last option as canon, what exactly happens to Shep?  Being buried in a mass of rubble and debris floating in space still seems like a crappy situation.  And what exactly is going to happen to all the alien fleets around Earth now that the mass relays are gone and they can't get home...?  

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  Gonna cross my fingers for a better ending.