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[DangerousPuddy]

You can't trust Merizan. She just dishes out half truths in an attempt to never give you closure about the ending, keep you baited.

[Arian Dynas]

DangerousPuddy wrote...

You can't trust Merizan. She just dishes out half truths in an attempt to never give you closure about the ending, keep you baited.

My GOD! You pointed out something that we ourselves already determined more than 200 pages ago! We now see your astounding brilliance and will abandon IDT entirely! ALL HAIL! WORSHIP! WORSHIP!

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 avril 2012 - 12:01 .

[Eli Parker]

DangerousPuddy wrote...

You can't trust Merizan. She just dishes out half truths in an attempt to never give you closure about the ending, keep you baited.

I think she gets second hand or third hand and passees that to us via twitter.

[DangerousPuddy]

Arian Dynas wrote...

DangerousPuddy wrote...

You can't trust Merizan. She just dishes out half truths in an attempt to never give you closure about the ending, keep you baited.

My GOD! You pointed out something that we ourselves already determined more than 200 pages ago! We now see your astounding brilliance and will abandon IDT entirely! ALL HAIL! WORSHIP! WORSHIP!

Hey I'm not saying abandon it, just don't get your hopes up on it. In-game stuff that you guys can prove I have no problem with.

[Hacedor1566]

Eli Parker wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

Amh, people, please, allow me to ask you for a favor. I want to write an article about ME3 endings, Retake ME movement and IT, bioware declarations, etc. (because there's very few information in spanish about all ME3 ending stuff) and I'm trying to find the "There will be no A B C ending" interview... But i can't... It's the last thing I need. Can someone, please, tell me where to find it?

Well, thanks in advance.

Here is a thread about quotes.
http://social.biowar.../index/10056886 

Edit - hope this helps 
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2 

it helps me a lot, thank you very much.

[Eli Parker]

Hacedor1566 wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

Amh, people, please, allow me to ask you for a favor. I want to write an article about ME3 endings, Retake ME movement and IT, bioware declarations, etc. (because there's very few information in spanish about all ME3 ending stuff) and I'm trying to find the "There will be no A B C ending" interview... But i can't... It's the last thing I need. Can someone, please, tell me where to find it?

Well, thanks in advance.

Here is a thread about quotes.
http://social.biowar.../index/10056886 

Edit - hope this helps 
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2 

it helps me a lot, thank you very much.

no prob.

[Arian Dynas]

DangerousPuddy wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

DangerousPuddy wrote...

You can't trust Merizan. She just dishes out half truths in an attempt to never give you closure about the ending, keep you baited.

My GOD! You pointed out something that we ourselves already determined more than 200 pages ago! We now see your astounding brilliance and will abandon IDT entirely! ALL HAIL! WORSHIP! WORSHIP!

Hey I'm not saying abandon it, just don't get your hopes up on it. In-game stuff that you guys can prove I have no problem with.

I'm kind of making the point; OLD NEWS.

[Hawk227]

Drago6667 wrote...

So I don't know is this has been said but I'm replaying ME3 now and just got to the Citadel the first time. After talking to the council and Udina I saw James at a window and talked to him. He said something about "this place" making you forget about the war. I don't know if its a hint that the Citadel has a small Indoc effect, or just a random comment. Still something to think about.

I always thought it was weird the Council so quickly dismissed the reapers, even though one tried to kill them. Their explanation was that the Geth followed Saren because they bought his lie about the reapers. But they also claimed that Sovereign was a Geth creation. So Saren found the geth, convinced them the ship they made was an immortal sentient being and that they should join up with him. That was pretty obviously contradictory.

There's a number of reasons to think the Citadel has a slight Indoc effect, and I think that convo with James could be another.

[Rifneno]

Hawk227 wrote...

I always thought it was weird the Council so quickly dismissed the reapers, even though one tried to kill them. Their explanation was that the Geth followed Saren because they bought his lie about the reapers. But they also claimed that Sovereign was a Geth creation. So Saren found the geth, convinced them the ship they made was an immortal sentient being and that they should join up with him. That was pretty obviously contradictory.

The sad part is, that's still better logical deduction than some of the anti-ITers are throwing at us.

[spotlessvoid]

Is Liara's goodbye considered a mind meld, or some similar act?
If so what ramifications does that possibly hold for IT?

Unless one is saying that everything is in Shepards head at that point, wouldn't Liara be able to tell if Shepard is indoctrinated? If that is the case, it seems to imply Shepard isn't indoctrinated (or at least to any significant degree) yet, and would seem to further the theory that Shepard isn't under full attack from Reaper indoctrination until Harbinger's blast (or elevator.)

Maybe I'm assuming incorrect things about Asari mind melds, but Liara and Shepard, especially if she is your LI, are pretty damn close. Does anyone else think she should have picked up on something?

Seems with Shepards infamous willpower that the Reapers wouldnt be able to indoctrinate Shepard intellectually, hence why up until the end, they are only trying to manipulate his subconscious emotionally.

Only after taking a massive blow from Harbinger, is he weak enough to attempt a direct attack on his conscious mind.

Just a thought, bring on the feedback

[paxxton]

Hawk227 wrote...

Drago6667 wrote...

So I don't know is this has been said but I'm replaying ME3 now and just got to the Citadel the first time. After talking to the council and Udina I saw James at a window and talked to him. He said something about "this place" making you forget about the war. I don't know if its a hint that the Citadel has a small Indoc effect, or just a random comment. Still something to think about.

I always thought it was weird the Council so quickly dismissed the reapers, even though one tried to kill them. Their explanation was that the Geth followed Saren because they bought his lie about the reapers. But they also claimed that Sovereign was a Geth creation. So Saren found the geth, convinced them the ship they made was an immortal sentient being and that they should join up with him. That was pretty obviously contradictory.

There's a number of reasons to think the Citadel has a slight Indoc effect, and I think that convo with James could be another.

That would be compelling. What reasons?

[Hawk227]

Rifneno wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

I always thought it was weird the Council so quickly dismissed the reapers, even though one tried to kill them. Their explanation was that the Geth followed Saren because they bought his lie about the reapers. But they also claimed that Sovereign was a Geth creation. So Saren found the geth, convinced them the ship they made was an immortal sentient being and that they should join up with him. That was pretty obviously contradictory.

The sad part is, that's still better logical deduction than some of the anti-ITers are throwing at us.

Well, duh, they all picked synthesis and got indoctrinated.

[Arian Dynas]

Hawk227 wrote...

Drago6667 wrote...

So I don't know is this has been said but I'm replaying ME3 now and just got to the Citadel the first time. After talking to the council and Udina I saw James at a window and talked to him. He said something about "this place" making you forget about the war. I don't know if its a hint that the Citadel has a small Indoc effect, or just a random comment. Still something to think about.

I always thought it was weird the Council so quickly dismissed the reapers, even though one tried to kill them. Their explanation was that the Geth followed Saren because they bought his lie about the reapers. But they also claimed that Sovereign was a Geth creation. So Saren found the geth, convinced them the ship they made was an immortal sentient being and that they should join up with him. That was pretty obviously contradictory.

There's a number of reasons to think the Citadel has a slight Indoc effect, and I think that convo with James could be another.

...

I'm going to pretend I noticed this logical fallacy so I look smart still... 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 avril 2012 - 12:36 .

[blooregard]

Arian Dynas wrote...

DangerousPuddy wrote...

You can't trust Merizan. She just dishes out half truths in an attempt to never give you closure about the ending, keep you baited.

My GOD! You pointed out something that we ourselves already determined more than 200 pages ago! We now see your astounding brilliance and will abandon IDT entirely! ALL HAIL! WORSHIP! WORSHIP!

The fact that this was only determined 200 pages ago is a bit sad. 

[OdanUrr]

Hawk227 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

I always thought it was weird the Council so quickly dismissed the reapers, even though one tried to kill them. Their explanation was that the Geth followed Saren because they bought his lie about the reapers. But they also claimed that Sovereign was a Geth creation. So Saren found the geth, convinced them the ship they made was an immortal sentient being and that they should join up with him. That was pretty obviously contradictory.

The sad part is, that's still better logical deduction than some of the anti-ITers are throwing at us.

Well, duh, they all picked synthesis and got indoctrinated.

Not really. The first time around, I picked synthesis because I had already seen Control and Destroy on YouTube and couldn't find the third ending.

[Hawk227]

paxxton wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

Drago6667 wrote...

So I don't know is this has been said but I'm replaying ME3 now and just got to the Citadel the first time. After talking to the council and Udina I saw James at a window and talked to him. He said something about "this place" making you forget about the war. I don't know if its a hint that the Citadel has a small Indoc effect, or just a random comment. Still something to think about.

I always thought it was weird the Council so quickly dismissed the reapers, even though one tried to kill them. Their explanation was that the Geth followed Saren because they bought his lie about the reapers. But they also claimed that Sovereign was a Geth creation. So Saren found the geth, convinced them the ship they made was an immortal sentient being and that they should join up with him. That was pretty obviously contradictory.

There's a number of reasons to think the Citadel has a slight Indoc effect, and I think that convo with James could be another.

That would be compelling. What reasons?

What would be compelling? The council's contradictory logic?

Off the top of my head:

The Citadel is always the seat of galactic government in every cycle. The council refuses to acknowledge the now obvious reaper threat in ME2. It's a reaper creation, reaper tech indoctrinates. Even at the beginning of ME3 when Earth, Palaven, and Thessia have are under reaper attack, the people on the presidium are oblivious to the impending doom. James says the Citadel "makes you forget about the war".

It's all kind of vague and circumstantial, but still interesting.

[OdanUrr]

Hawk227 wrote...

It's a reaper creation, reaper tech indoctrinates.

That doesn't make sense. If a Reaper builds, say, a pyramid, will that pyramid indoctrinate everyone who goes near it? No, indoctrination is not some kind of disease that gets transmitted whenever a Reaper touches something. By that logic, all they'd have to do is modify the relays so they indoctrinate everyone who uses them and it's game over.

[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Is Liara's goodbye considered a mind meld, or some similar act?
If so what ramifications does that possibly hold for IT?

Unless one is saying that everything is in Shepards head at that point, wouldn't Liara be able to tell if Shepard is indoctrinated? If that is the case, it seems to imply Shepard isn't indoctrinated (or at least to any significant degree) yet, and would seem to further the theory that Shepard isn't under full attack from Reaper indoctrination until Harbinger's blast (or elevator.)

Maybe I'm assuming incorrect things about Asari mind melds, but Liara and Shepard, especially if she is your LI, are pretty damn close. Does anyone else think she should have picked up on something?

Seems with Shepards infamous willpower that the Reapers wouldnt be able to indoctrinate Shepard intellectually, hence why up until the end, they are only trying to manipulate his subconscious emotionally.

Only after taking a massive blow from Harbinger, is he weak enough to attempt a direct attack on his conscious mind.

Just a thought, bring on the feedback

Yeah, that's how most of us saw it too. I know it's how I figure it went, that the rest of the game (and possibly some of ME2) they were just laying groundwork and eating away at Shepard's resolve but only made the full on indoctrination attempt at the beam charge. Though I'm not sure Liara would recognize it if Shepard was indoctrinated. I can't think of any instance where an asari was doing that weird mind sex thing with an indoctrinated person before, so who knows what they would perceive. She may not notice it at all, or she may think it's simply self-doubt. Given that it's a "gentle melding of nervous systems" and indoctrination is an attack on the nervous system, I suppose it's even possible that the asari could catch indoctrination like a mental VD. Damn, I hope not. ... I'm gonna stop thinking about this now.

Hawk227 wrote...

Well, duh, they all picked synthesis and got indoctrinated.

Hehe. I'm sure a lot of us also picked wrong and only realized after we read this thread. I know I did. I didn't even pay attention to some of starbrat's nonsense the first time. I was waiting for the expected investigate option. When I never got it, I didn't even know which option was which so I just wandered around til something happened. Turned out I 'picked' synthesis.

Arian Dynas wrote...

...

I'm going to pretend I noticed this logical fallacy so I look smart still...

One of my favorite bits in that game was if you had Legion with you when you first met the Council. He'd call their bull**** and they'd handwave even that. Always made me lol.

[spotlessvoid]

OdanUrr wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

It's a reaper creation, reaper tech indoctrinates.

That doesn't make sense. If a Reaper builds, say, a pyramid, will that pyramid indoctrinate everyone who goes near it? No, indoctrination is not some kind of disease that gets transmitted whenever a Reaper touches something. By that logic, all they'd have to do is modify the relays so they indoctrinate everyone who uses them and it's game over.

I'm still not 100 on the Reapers telling the truth about that

Edited to make sense

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 16 avril 2012 - 12:59 .

[OdanUrr]

spotlessvoid wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

It's a reaper creation, reaper tech indoctrinates.

That doesn't make sense. If a Reaper builds, say, a pyramid, will that pyramid indoctrinate everyone who goes near it? No, indoctrination is not some kind of disease that gets transmitted whenever a Reaper touches something. By that logic, all they'd have to do is modify the relays so they indoctrinate everyone who uses them and it's game over.

I'm still not 100 on the Reapers telling about that

Telling about what?

[Hawk227]

OdanUrr wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

It's a reaper creation, reaper tech indoctrinates.

That doesn't make sense. If a Reaper builds, say, a pyramid, will that pyramid indoctrinate everyone who goes near it? No, indoctrination is not some kind of disease that gets transmitted whenever a Reaper touches something. By that logic, all they'd have to do is modify the relays so they indoctrinate everyone who uses them and it's game over.

Indoctrination is transmitted through some frequency that gets into you brain. This is discussed in ME1 (virmire), ME2 (Arrival, and Chorban emails you about the Keepers having a weird frequency) and ME3 (Sanctuary). Plus a bunch of side missions throughout. Reaper tech gives off indoctrination frequencies. That's why its so dangerous. If they made a reaper pyramid I would expect it to indoctrinate you. Yes.

[paxxton]

Hawk227 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

Drago6667 wrote...

So I don't know is this has been said but I'm replaying ME3 now and just got to the Citadel the first time. After talking to the council and Udina I saw James at a window and talked to him. He said something about "this place" making you forget about the war. I don't know if its a hint that the Citadel has a small Indoc effect, or just a random comment. Still something to think about.

I always thought it was weird the Council so quickly dismissed the reapers, even though one tried to kill them. Their explanation was that the Geth followed Saren because they bought his lie about the reapers. But they also claimed that Sovereign was a Geth creation. So Saren found the geth, convinced them the ship they made was an immortal sentient being and that they should join up with him. That was pretty obviously contradictory.

There's a number of reasons to think the Citadel has a slight Indoc effect, and I think that convo with James could be another.

That would be compelling. What reasons?

What would be compelling? The council's contradictory logic?

Off the top of my head:

The Citadel is always the seat of galactic government in every cycle. The council refuses to acknowledge the now obvious reaper threat in ME2. It's a reaper creation, reaper tech indoctrinates. Even at the beginning of ME3 when Earth, Palaven, and Thessia have are under reaper attack, the people on the presidium are oblivious to the impending doom. James says the Citadel "makes you forget about the war".

It's all kind of vague and circumstantial, but still interesting.

He says so because the view out the window is so calm. The Reaper threat in ME2 is not as obvious as you might think. Remember that at the beginning no one knows about the Collectors kidnapping humans. Then after Shepard learns it it's still not obvious that the Reapers are really behind it. It turns out to be so on Horizon.

Only TIM connects the Collectors and the Reapers early on in the story. He sends Shepard to the Collector ship that turns out to be a trap (and than admits he knew it and hid it only after Shepard manages to escape).

The Citadel is the seat of the government because it controls the whole relay network. An obvious choice.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 avril 2012 - 01:02 .

[Hawk227]

Rifneno wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

Well, duh, they all picked synthesis and got indoctrinated.

Hehe. I'm sure a lot of us also picked wrong and only realized after we read this thread. I know I did. I didn't even pay attention to some of starbrat's nonsense the first time. I was waiting for the expected investigate option. When I never got it, I didn't even know which option was which so I just wandered around til something happened. Turned out I 'picked' synthesis.

Arian Dynas wrote...

...

I'm going to pretend I noticed this logical fallacy so I look smart still...

One of my favorite bits in that game was if you had Legion with you when you first met the Council. He'd call their bull**** and they'd handwave even that. Always made me lol.

Yeah, I picked control the first time. I was just making a joke.

That's awesome about Legion and the Council, I'll have to try that next time, or at least find a video.

[n00bsauce2010]

So everyone here is still supporting indoc theory?

[Arian Dynas]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

So everyone here is still supporting indoc theory?

No. There's still  a few deluded people who aren't.