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[N3vDawg]

shimoyake wrote...

@SomeoneStoleMyName:

I agree entirely. Hearing just HOW dead Shepard was made me... shockingly nervous. It seemed to confirm my long-standing theories (which began at Shep's first nightmare) that something was very wrong with our hero. The disturbed look on Shepard's face shot right through me. Shepard wondering if she was maybe just an advanced AI (or VI, I forget which she said) that only THINKS it's Commander Shepard was stomach-turning.

My love interest's comment of "You're real enough for me" was not comforting, even if it was intended as such. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, so to speak. I see no other reason for bringing this information up again, especially so late in the game.

For that matter, do we still not know how the Virmire Survivor escaped the Seeker Swarms on Horizon in ME2? That STILL makes me nervous. Something being off there could also explain why, for example, Kaidan doesn't comment about any sort 'hum' or otherwise bothersome effect, but James does.

:/

At what point is this hum mentioned and what is its context?

[humes spork]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but there's a track on the CE soundtrack called 'Betrayal' following the credit music. I don't think I recognize it from in-game anywhere...

"Betrayal" plays during cutscenes when Shepard epically dicks over a squaddie. Like, for example if you have to shoot Mordin to keep the genophage cure from being distributed. Or if you side with the geth and Tali kills herself.

[krystalevenstar]

I keep reiterating this point because it's very important not to forget; In the cutscene following choosing 'Destroy' we are shown NOTHING of the geth or EDI or any synthetic life being destroyed beyond The Reapers. It's more likely than not that's because the star child is lying to you about it to try to dissuade you from choosing that option.

[N3vDawg]

Can I get an explanation for 1m1 theories? What are they?

[Rahabzu]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Anyone with access to the CE soundtrack, could you take a listen to the last two 'CE - Extra' tracks, Betrayal and Creation, and see if you recognize them from anywhere in game?

Ive heard Creation..   perhaps during the talk with the illusive man at the end?  I know I've heard it before.

Betrayal not so much.

[Lugaidster]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

Let's apply Occam's Razor to this problem.

What's the simpler explanation: that it's a fiendishly clever ploy to deceive players and surprise them at a later date with the real ending, risking total outrage and risking a lot of players who don't follow gaming news religiously never even finding out about it, or that Bioware was pressed to get the game out on time, had to rush the ending (and/or change it due to leaks) and messed it up.

My money's on the latter.

That said, Myst 3 for the Mac was originally released with a glitch that made it impossible to get the best ending, though at least in that case the video files for that ending were on the disc, whereas the video files for ME3 obviously don't contain any other endings than the ones we got.

No one here disagrees with the fact that everything here might not be. But it might. Occam's Razor only makes the latter solution more possible, but it doesn't rule out our theory. In any case, this has been brought up several times since the creation of the thread.

[krystalevenstar]

humes spork wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but there's a track on the CE soundtrack called 'Betrayal' following the credit music. I don't think I recognize it from in-game anywhere...

"Betrayal" plays during cutscenes when Shepard epically dicks over a squaddie. Like, for example if you have to shoot Mordin to keep the genophage cure from being distributed. Or if you side with the geth and Tali kills herself.

Ah, right-o. That makes sense why I don't recognize it, neither of those things happened in my playthrough.

[N3vDawg]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I keep reiterating this point because it's very important not to forget; In the cutscene following choosing 'Destroy' we are shown NOTHING of the geth or EDI or any synthetic life being destroyed beyond The Reapers. It's more likely than not that's because the star child is lying to you about it to try to dissuade you from choosing that option.

Yeah, even if EDI doesn't step out of the normandy at the end, Jeff doesn't seem visibly upset about it....

[Cepreus]

Most likely theory. It has to be indoctrination!

[UKillMeLongTime]

aquaticidioticus wrote...

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

also ya really have to work to get a real crappy ending as it was easy getting over 5k much less 4k

Did you play MP because I found it difficult to get it to 4,000 - I'm currently at 3,800 (something or other) and don't want to touch MP with a ten foot pole.  Bleh.

Edit: meaning EMS after the 50% hit - my total is 6,000 (blah-di-blah more numbers). 

hum i was at 6200 and i kinda did most everything so mp is needed but not much
i forgot that its .50 so hum.....

[PlumPaul93]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I keep reiterating this point because it's very important not to forget; In the cutscene following choosing 'Destroy' we are shown NOTHING of the geth or EDI or any synthetic life being destroyed beyond The Reapers. It's more likely than not that's because the star child is lying to you about it to try to dissuade you from choosing that option.

It's more likely that it wasn't shown because Bioware was too lazy to differentiate the endings (other than the color and random squadmates).

[Ainyan42]

J717 wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

This is probably way to far out but:

On the last mission against cerberus you witness your own revival from ME2 on their computers logs and how shepard is braindead (Note: They seem very clear that you really are GONE). Now... we all knew this from ME2. Why teaspoon this back into us near the end of the game UNLESS it had a purpose? Now also consider the Illusive man has had reaper tech for a long time.

What if the real shepard really did die in the start of ME2?

Again look at this: "Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years."

Shepard was out cold a long time. Could it be possible that the illusive man got Shepard indoctrinated when revived (Purposely or not doesent matter) - that the Illusive man used reaper tech as part of his cybernetic implants? Or that shepards memories are fake and he is infact a sleeper agent or atleast not the original shepard?

but tali said that your real and hers for ever

The Prothean VI has the ability to detect indoctrinated beings like Kai Leng, and it did not at any point of contact with Shepard detect that he was indoctrinated.

Kai Leng knew he was infused with reaper tech and that he had taken part in Cerberus's indoctrination experiments. Shepard would have known nothing of the sort. Additionally, Kai Leng's indoctrination (and any synethetics which correspond to it) was in full effect, however, even if Shepard had been implanted with indoctrination cicuitry when she was reassembled by Cerberus, at this point it probably wasn't turned on. TIM wouldn't want to interfere with her finding all the last pieces for him.

[J717]

BahamutZ wrote...

Something that I also realized is that there is no final boss confrontation in the game. Regardless of your choices in the games, you fought Saren/Soverign in ME1, and the human reaper in ME2. After you get through the admittedly epic fights to get there (4 brutes bioware? ouchy) there is no boss fight to end the game. It seems like there should be something more... too many comments from people made me realize that the sheer carelessness of the current ending cannot possibly be the true end. Too much doesn't add up. Here's hoping bioware has something interesting in store for us.

I've mentioned this 3 or 4 times in this thread. 

[Dilandau3000]

shimoyake wrote...
For that matter, do we still not know how the Virmire Survivor escaped the Seeker Swarms on Horizon in ME2? That STILL makes me nervous. Something being off there could also explain why, for example, Kaidan doesn't comment about any sort 'hum' or otherwise bothersome effect, but James does.

Good point about the Virmire survivor on Horizon. That bothers me too, that that wasn't mentioned. I fact, I thought that the conflict with the VS at the beginning had something to do with it, but it turned out to just be about them thinking we were still with Cerberus.

However, you're reaching with the hum thing, as the hum James is talking about is clearly audible even to the player (at least I think he's talking about the persistent background hum in the cargo bay).

[BabyFaceNeptune]

ok i'm new to this so bear with me in ME3 you have some dreams yes three of them in the first you chase the kid he burns and it ends same in the second but in the third you and him burn well what if that has something to do with the choices you get at the end of the game what if the dreams are like slow signs of indoctrination you know and the same kid being the catalyst like really? and shep would never make the choices he did so what if like when he got to london he just got all ****** up and the reapers just killed every one and at the end of the game when it shows shep thats him waking up from the indoctrinattion as a result of killing the reapers but if you choose one of the other choices you give in to the indoctrination and die or become some husk or whatever but yeah i mean come on when you are talking to your friend they are pretty much all telling you that you are going to die and this is the end you know like easing you into it like its all a really big mind **** and if this is right bioware could make another game with the shep you know like he wakes up all of earth is done for and he stays on earth or whats left of it to fight the reapers with like some kind of resistance i mean the whole game was a big mind **** like am i just dumb? or do you all feel this way too? i mean why would joker leave earth? and they crash on some random planet really? just the crew of the norm? and how the hell are they going to populate the entire planet? and why would shep destroy the relays? that is just another mind **** with out them they are all back to the beginning haha they don't even show what happends the to earth or your mates but yeah i can go on forever but i dont know how to put whats in my head into words...... oh and sorry for the rant and the missspelling im sure i have some im in the dark cant see the keyboard and feel my fingers and i've been up all night bioware should make a DLC that rewrites the ending like even a short movie like assassins creed embers

[CyanidPontifex]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Anyone with access to the CE soundtrack, could you take a listen to the last two 'CE - Extra' tracks, Betrayal and Creation, and see if you recognize them from anywhere in game?

I believe that "Creation" is the song that plays after the Faunts song during the credits (there's a lot of credits).  I've heard from others that "Betrayal" plays when Evil!Shep shoots Mordin in the back, though it could also play in other places. 

[shimoyake]

@N3vDawg It was middle to end of the game. It seemed I had exhausted all of James's other dialogue. I had a habit of clicking on people several times to make sure I had gotten everything new after every quest. Eventually, they would just say something generic like "Hey Shepard" or "Maybe later."

Eventually, though, James defaults to something in the effect of, "Does anyone else hear that hum? Is that just me?" And further clicking or investigation would not get him to elaborate on the matter. At first I passed it off as engine noise or something, but it does fit in with the Indoctrination theory rather well. Recalling the Citadel in ME1, clicking on Kaidan near what turned out to be the Conduit would result in him mentioning his teeth aching or a headache, something like that. To me, that says James is making this comment for a reason, just as Kaidan was foreshadowing the Conduit. Otherwise, why bother?

[Tocquevillain]

Harorrd wrote...

magic armor

magic gun with unlimited ammo

magic breath machine

Magic machine that destroys the galaxy

Yeha i hope it was a dream

In all likelihood, Bioware gave you the "magic gun" and "magic armor" because at that point in the story, narrative was more important than gameplay. 

Magic breath machine has already been discussed, mass effect fields can trap atmosphere, just like Palaven.

[Greed1914]

N3vDawg wrote...

J717 wrote...

Leiha wrote...

I've been sleeping from about page 90.. Any big updates?

I'm with you there...but no, sadly.

I'll wait until the 3/15, when the worldwide release concludes to see if the 1M1 theories hold any water, or if BioWare will at least say SOMETHING that day or the day after.

All i know is....when I wake up tomorrow, this thread will be like 450 pages long at this rate, LOL. Keep fighting the good fight, folks. 

Ok, I keep seeing these "1m1" theories mentioned. Any links to clarify this?

Basically, somebody posted some screenshots showing Shepard on the walkway on the Citadel at the end.  On one side, it says 1M1.  On the other side, it says 1M1 but it is inverted like a mirror image.  It probably means nothing, but if you combine it with how TIM's option was blue and Anderson's was red, which is the inverse of what you'd expect, it makes it seem like Shepard wasn't in his/her right mind after being blasted.

[Sajuro]

As for choosing the other two options, maybe you could have dialogue based on that when you wake up like "The Illusive Man was right" or "We should try and work with them, they are only doing things to help us" Or maybe just new dialogue paths and auto dialogue to go along with the fact the Reapers are influencing Shep's thought process which could result in him attempting to sabotage the crucible and either killing himself or getting killed by one of your squadmates.
After Reapers are destroyed in Shepard was indoctrinated, Shepard's face is covered in the husk marks like TIM's was in the dream.
Anderson: The galaxy is going to tear itself part as soon as they learn what Shepard did.
-TIM walks up, marks still on his face, but in control of himself due to Reaper destruction-
TIM: Then make sure they don't, learning Shepard worked with the Reapers will destroy humanity.
-TIM puts sealed Helmet on Shepard to hide the damage-
Anderson: We can't just cover it up that the plan almost failed and now Humanity's greatest hero is dead!
-TIM draws on his cigarette-
TIM: He died stopping me from selling Humanity to the Reapers. The Galaxy already hates me and everything I am Anderson, this way the Hero of Humanity becomes a Martyr rather than a Traitor.
-Anderson pulls out gun and points it at TIM-
Anderson: I can't let you get away, not after all you've done. You almost cost us the war!
-TIM drops his cigarette and steps on it to put it out-
TIM: I know, and like I said before I will advance humanity at any cost, even if it's my life. But just know Cerberus as an ideal will always exist, and sooner or later there will be a new Cerberus, even if it is under a different name... Humanity will always have a watchdog.
-Anderson shoots and kills TIM-

[N3vDawg]

Ainyan42 wrote...

J717 wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

This is probably way to far out but:

On the last mission against cerberus you witness your own revival from ME2 on their computers logs and how shepard is braindead (Note: They seem very clear that you really are GONE). Now... we all knew this from ME2. Why teaspoon this back into us near the end of the game UNLESS it had a purpose? Now also consider the Illusive man has had reaper tech for a long time.

What if the real shepard really did die in the start of ME2?

Again look at this: "Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years."

Shepard was out cold a long time. Could it be possible that the illusive man got Shepard indoctrinated when revived (Purposely or not doesent matter) - that the Illusive man used reaper tech as part of his cybernetic implants? Or that shepards memories are fake and he is infact a sleeper agent or atleast not the original shepard?

but tali said that your real and hers for ever

The Prothean VI has the ability to detect indoctrinated beings like Kai Leng, and it did not at any point of contact with Shepard detect that he was indoctrinated.

Kai Leng knew he was infused with reaper tech and that he had taken part in Cerberus's indoctrination experiments. Shepard would have known nothing of the sort. Additionally, Kai Leng's indoctrination (and any synethetics which correspond to it) was in full effect, however, even if Shepard had been implanted with indoctrination cicuitry when she was reassembled by Cerberus, at this point it probably wasn't turned on. TIM wouldn't want to interfere with her finding all the last pieces for him.

They make a great deal about the fact that TIM wanted shepard completely normal and not messed with. He even convinced Miranda out of putting a control device in Shepard's head. I don't think TIM indoctrinated him.

[krystalevenstar]

N3vDawg wrote...

Can I get an explanation for 1m1 theories? What are they?

The two major things I've heard on that front are this;

1. There is 1m1 on a piece of the wall where the catalyst is, and on the opposing wall it's backwards, supposedly to show you things aren't 'quite right'.

2. M is the 13th letter of the alphabet, 13 +1+1 = 15. March 15th is when the game is released in Asia and people think we'll hear from Bioware on that date.

I think #2 is stretching it a bit though. I think we'll hear from Bioware before the end of the week, but I don't think they'll blab the day Japan gets their games before people can even play them.

[Berkilak]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I keep reiterating this point because it's very important not to forget; In the cutscene following choosing 'Destroy' we are shown NOTHING of the geth or EDI or any synthetic life being destroyed beyond The Reapers. It's more likely than not that's because the star child is lying to you about it to try to dissuade you from choosing that option.

That's just the thing, though - nothing is shown. None of your multitudes of decisions affect the outcome except the very last (very impersonal) one. Quite ironic for a trilogy entitled Mass Effect.

There are so many unknowns that you cannot rely on the fact that something not being shown means a thing.

[Aigik]

I've read quite a lot of pages of this thread, and there's something I haven't seen brought up yet. And that is...

Doesn't anyone else thing the setup of the final room was a little too convenient? It's like an attraction at an amusement park. To your left, you've got the indoctrination device. To the right, you've got the self destruct conduit. And straight down the middle, you've got the beam. If this place was real, it seems odd that the room would be set up the way it was. You know what I mean?