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[Arian Dynas]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Ohh oohh my favorite part is where there's 'debate' on points regarding ME3 and ME3 alone but nothing is mentioned about evidence in and around previous games' established lore. *popcorn*

Honestly not meaning to be overly aggressive, Epyon, but have you played the previous 2?

Judging by his profile, which was made this year and has only one game registered to it...

Not by the looks of it.

[Dwailing]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

You do not have an ammo counter if that's what you mean but, to all effects and purposes, you do have infinite ammo. You can endlessly shoot at the sky and you won't run out of bullets, that's what I mean. At least not until you get to the building with the kid.

Considering Harbinger's obsession with Shepard, he was probably the only Reaper likely to welcome Shepard to the Conduit. As for how the Citadel being made up of other assets, I honestly don't see it, but would you put it past Bioware to recycle assets?

The reason there's unlimited ammo for the first few husks in the tutorial is because you're script to run out of ammo after those so the game can show you how to use melee on the next batch of husks.  It's the tutorial, its main purpose is to teach players the basics of gameplay.  It was a "necessary evil" to show us about heavy melee, making sure we had ammo for using the gun on the first husks and making sure we didn't have ammo to use melee on the next ones.

That said, personally I don't consider the infinite carnifex to be one of the stronger pieces of evidence.

Au contraire, I actually think that the infinite ammo gun is a pretty valuable piece of evidence.  For one thing, the Predator at the beginning of the game DOES run out of ammo.  And by that I mean it has to be reloaded.  The Carnifex at the end does not.  Secondly, while the Carnifex at the end has the same firing sound, recoil, and, I'm assuming, damage as a regular Carnifex, the reload, if you choose to reload, uses the PREDATOR's animation, not the Carnifex's.  Why would they do this if not on purpose?

lack of polish..... apparently   

But why would THIS area be unpolished?  They have said REPEATEDLY that the ending was a very important part of the development.  Besides, the rest of the game was so well done that I find it hard to believe that the ending would be sacrificed.

P.S. And yes, I understand you were being sarcastic.

[n00bsauce2010]

Iconoclaste wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I can tie up all the facts relating to pieces of level "appearing" or apparent "inconsistencies" with storyline (AKA Anderson getting up after, but yet in before) by Anderson's statement to Shepard, while in the corridor, that the "place is reconfiguring itself".

like in a dream? YES... more evidence for IT. thank  you.

This clearly went over your head, didn't it?

It has clearly went over everyones head according to your superior logic. Thank god for people like you who seek to express their god-like intelligence in order to prove a point that has no definitive evidence. Thanks.

[Arian Dynas]

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
He is referring to the massive citadel explosion at the end

And where was Shepard at that moment?

according to IDT- back on earth. According to anti IDT- on the citadel.

IF on the Citadel, WHERE precisely on the Citadel?

The Presidium Ring... which last I checked, got blown sky-high by a neuclear force explosion. Imagine that.

[Dwailing]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Ohh oohh my favorite part is where there's 'debate' on points regarding ME3 and ME3 alone but nothing is mentioned about evidence in and around previous games' established lore. *popcorn*

Honestly not meaning to be overly aggressive, Epyon, but have you played the previous 2?

Judging by his profile, which was made this year and has only one game registered to it...

Not by the looks of it.

Yeah, not to demean Balance5050, we love you here, don't get me wrong, I think that many of the people who oppose IT are people who have not played the first two.  Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Iconoclaste]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I can tie up all the facts relating to pieces of level "appearing" or apparent "inconsistencies" with storyline (AKA Anderson getting up after, but yet in before) by Anderson's statement to Shepard, while in the corridor, that the "place is reconfiguring itself".

like in a dream? YES... more evidence for IT. thank  you.

This clearly went over your head, didn't it?

It has clearly went over everyones head according to your superior logic. Thank god for people like you who seek to express their god-like intelligence in order to prove a point that has no definitive evidence. Thanks.

Damned, the "evidence" is in the game : Anderson tells that to Shepard! What's the problem with that?

[llbountyhunter]

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
He is referring to the massive citadel explosion at the end

And where was Shepard at that moment?

according to IDT- back on earth. According to anti IDT- on the citadel.

IF on the Citadel, WHERE precisely on the Citadel?

at the very heart of the explosion..... and aperently he survives.... on earth.

[EpyonX3]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Sad fact: no one knows how the ending should be interpreted. The subtle hints are at least enough to craft a theory.. and it's one i indeed support. Like i said before.. i don't think they planned this from the start though... maybe they did. I def think the subtle hints are there for a reason. Yes.. some bits of "evidence" are more valid than others. The trees.. are imo.. not a valid point. However the steer away from the mass effect we knew seems to be the best I can think of. And of course.. my own opinion about the child not being real... (indoctrination or not) except for the first time.

Someone said that the options of logic are-

1. bioware planned this from the start.. but didn't correctly predict the outrage and have poorly handled PR

2. The writing went to ****... and/or they decided to go in a completely different direction in the last 10-15 minutes of the game.

which one seems better to you?

Sorry I got hit by several posts and didn't see your reply.

I actually agree with you. I find I have to repeat this, but I like the theory. I just find some parts flawed based on the game itself.

The story has some flaws before the end but nothing as drammatic as the ending. Number 2 would seem the most likely but not in favor of IT. Being that there isn't much solid evidence for Shepard being indoctrinated during the game, it makes it harder for me to believe it.

What hurts it as well are the articles about how the ending came to be. Only two people wrote the end and it wasn't up for review. This would explain why the end is so much different than the rest of the game.

[Golferguy758]

Tov01 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I can tie up all the facts relating to pieces of level "appearing" or apparent "inconsistencies" with storyline (AKA Anderson getting up after, but yet in before) by Anderson's statement to Shepard, while in the corridor, that the "place is reconfiguring itself".

Which is, coincidentally, word for word what happened to the indoctrinated scientists on the derelict reaper

I don't remember that from the Derelict Reaper mission. Care to refresh my memory?

In one of the little video that you come across when you are getting the IFF in ME2. Some of the scientists mention that the walls are shifting and that things are appearing out of it and vanishing back into it.  It;'s like 3rd or 4th video you come across.

[EpyonX3]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
He is referring to the massive citadel explosion at the end

And where was Shepard at that moment?

according to IDT- back on earth. According to anti IDT- on the citadel.

IF on the Citadel, WHERE precisely on the Citadel?

at the very heart of the explosion..... and aperently he survives.... on earth.

On earth? I'm sure this has been debated as well.

[Iconoclaste]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
He is referring to the massive citadel explosion at the end

And where was Shepard at that moment?

according to IDT- back on earth. According to anti IDT- on the citadel.

IF on the Citadel, WHERE precisely on the Citadel?

The Presidium Ring... which last I checked, got blown sky-high by a neuclear force explosion. Imagine that.

Getting closer, but not there yet. On which side of the presidium ring?

What happened just before the explosion shown in the picture previously posted?

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

On earth? I'm sure this has been debated as well.

Unless someone brought a ton of concrete on board the Citadel, then yeah, on Earth.

[Arian Dynas]

Know what I find funny? These stretches of arguments are usually what makes this thread grow the fastest.

[Emperor_Ike]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Judging by his profile, which was made this year and has only one game registered to it...

Not by the looks of it.

That's what I thought but I didn't want to bring it up. Profile wouldn't really be the be-all, end-all. Might just have not registered. Who knows. Solid evidence, but not as damning as, say...

... IT.

Oh-ho, see what I did there!? <3

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The Citadel DOES NOT explode in the Control ending - just closes up.

We're talking about destroy, since that's the only one where Shepard lives.

... No wonder the supermarket security follows you around.

LOL. I knew it.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 avril 2012 - 04:05 .

[RorickHuon]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
He is referring to the massive citadel explosion at the end

And where was Shepard at that moment?

according to IDT- back on earth. According to anti IDT- on the citadel.

IF on the Citadel, WHERE precisely on the Citadel?

The Presidium Ring... which last I checked, got blown sky-high by a neuclear force explosion. Imagine that.

Getting closer, but not there yet. On which side of the presidium ring?

What happened just before the explosion shown in the picture previously posted?

...Im having a hard time understanding if you are joking or really this strange...

[Arian Dynas]

EpyonX3 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Sad fact: no one knows how the ending should be interpreted. The subtle hints are at least enough to craft a theory.. and it's one i indeed support. Like i said before.. i don't think they planned this from the start though... maybe they did. I def think the subtle hints are there for a reason. Yes.. some bits of "evidence" are more valid than others. The trees.. are imo.. not a valid point. However the steer away from the mass effect we knew seems to be the best I can think of. And of course.. my own opinion about the child not being real... (indoctrination or not) except for the first time.

Someone said that the options of logic are-

1. bioware planned this from the start.. but didn't correctly predict the outrage and have poorly handled PR

2. The writing went to ****... and/or they decided to go in a completely different direction in the last 10-15 minutes of the game.

which one seems better to you?

Sorry I got hit by several posts and didn't see your reply.

I actually agree with you. I find I have to repeat this, but I like the theory. I just find some parts flawed based on the game itself.

The story has some flaws before the end but nothing as drammatic as the ending. Number 2 would seem the most likely but not in favor of IT. Being that there isn't much solid evidence for Shepard being indoctrinated during the game, it makes it harder for me to believe it.

What hurts it as well are the articles about how the ending came to be. Only two people wrote the end and it wasn't up for review. This would explain why the end is so much different than the rest of the game.

So... you're willing to beleive something that Bioware has SPECIFICALLY STATED IS UNTRUE, and not beleive in IDT? I think we're done here folks.

[Iconoclaste]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Tov01 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I can tie up all the facts relating to pieces of level "appearing" or apparent "inconsistencies" with storyline (AKA Anderson getting up after, but yet in before) by Anderson's statement to Shepard, while in the corridor, that the "place is reconfiguring itself".

Which is, coincidentally, word for word what happened to the indoctrinated scientists on the derelict reaper

I don't remember that from the Derelict Reaper mission. Care to refresh my memory?

In one of the little video that you come across when you are getting the IFF in ME2. Some of the scientists mention that the walls are shifting and that things are appearing out of it and vanishing back into it.  It;'s like 3rd or 4th video you come across.

Well, that does not sound like what Anderson is telling Shepard! And if I remember well, those scientists were frightened, inside a derelict Reaper, whereas Anderson still sounds confident and on his guard, on the Citadel.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 avril 2012 - 03:48 .

[n00bsauce2010]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
He is referring to the massive citadel explosion at the end

And where was Shepard at that moment?

according to IDT- back on earth. According to anti IDT- on the citadel.

IF on the Citadel, WHERE precisely on the Citadel?

The Presidium Ring... which last I checked, got blown sky-high by a neuclear force explosion. Imagine that.

Getting closer, but not there yet. On which side of the presidium ring?

What happened just before the explosion shown in the picture previously posted?

Awww. cute little troll trying to troll people. Present an argument/discussion or just leave please. Your attempt at insulting others is rather sad.

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Ohh oohh my favorite part is where there's 'debate' on points regarding ME3 and ME3 alone but nothing is mentioned about evidence in and around previous games' established lore. *popcorn*

Honestly not meaning to be overly aggressive, Epyon, but have you played the previous 2?

Judging by his profile, which was made this year and has only one game registered to it...

Not by the looks of it.

Because maybe I played the first two before Origin was even a though in EA's head?

Assuming I haven't played the first two games because I didn't post a massive essay on why certain parts of IT aren't accurate with evidence spanning three games is kind of weird.

[Iconoclaste]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
He is referring to the massive citadel explosion at the end

And where was Shepard at that moment?

according to IDT- back on earth. According to anti IDT- on the citadel.

IF on the Citadel, WHERE precisely on the Citadel?

The Presidium Ring... which last I checked, got blown sky-high by a neuclear force explosion. Imagine that.

Getting closer, but not there yet. On which side of the presidium ring?

What happened just before the explosion shown in the picture previously posted?

Awww. cute little troll trying to troll people. Present an argument/discussion or just leave please. Your attempt at insulting others is rather sad.

This is your failure point? You do not wish to go further, even if there is clear evidence in game to answer such a simple question?

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Sad fact: no one knows how the ending should be interpreted. The subtle hints are at least enough to craft a theory.. and it's one i indeed support. Like i said before.. i don't think they planned this from the start though... maybe they did. I def think the subtle hints are there for a reason. Yes.. some bits of "evidence" are more valid than others. The trees.. are imo.. not a valid point. However the steer away from the mass effect we knew seems to be the best I can think of. And of course.. my own opinion about the child not being real... (indoctrination or not) except for the first time.

Someone said that the options of logic are-

1. bioware planned this from the start.. but didn't correctly predict the outrage and have poorly handled PR

2. The writing went to ****... and/or they decided to go in a completely different direction in the last 10-15 minutes of the game.

which one seems better to you?

Sorry I got hit by several posts and didn't see your reply.

I actually agree with you. I find I have to repeat this, but I like the theory. I just find some parts flawed based on the game itself.

The story has some flaws before the end but nothing as drammatic as the ending. Number 2 would seem the most likely but not in favor of IT. Being that there isn't much solid evidence for Shepard being indoctrinated during the game, it makes it harder for me to believe it.

What hurts it as well are the articles about how the ending came to be. Only two people wrote the end and it wasn't up for review. This would explain why the end is so much different than the rest of the game.

See, thing is, though, that while the ending may have only been written by two guys, those two were the lead writer, who had been co-lead writer since the beginning of the series, and the project director, again, who had been here since the beginning of the series.  And considering these guys both work for Bioware, I find it hard to believe that these guys could have written something that was such an epic fail.  Although, Casey did say he thought that ME: Deception depicted Kai Leng as a bad***.  Yeah, a bad*** who eats cereal in another man's apartment and pees in a vase.  To quote Doctor Evil, "Riiiiiiigggggghhht." <_<

Edit: So, Casey and Mac DIDN'T write the ending for ME3 by themselves?  Cool, just gives us more evidence.  'Cause I find it hard to believe that the WHOLE WRITING TEAM came up with an ending that was such an epic fail.

Modifié par Dwailing, 16 avril 2012 - 03:52 .

[Arian Dynas]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
He is referring to the massive citadel explosion at the end

And where was Shepard at that moment?

according to IDT- back on earth. According to anti IDT- on the citadel.

IF on the Citadel, WHERE precisely on the Citadel?

The Presidium Ring... which last I checked, got blown sky-high by a neuclear force explosion. Imagine that.

Getting closer, but not there yet. On which side of the presidium ring?

What happened just before the explosion shown in the picture previously posted?

Awww. cute little troll trying to troll people. Present an argument/discussion or just leave please. Your attempt at insulting others is rather sad.

*hands you troll feed* Here, give this to him. The way to a troll's heart is through his stomach. Which by the way bypasses the ribcage and has the added benefit of puncturing his intestines and making him go septic.

[Golferguy758]

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Sad fact: no one knows how the ending should be interpreted. The subtle hints are at least enough to craft a theory.. and it's one i indeed support. Like i said before.. i don't think they planned this from the start though... maybe they did. I def think the subtle hints are there for a reason. Yes.. some bits of "evidence" are more valid than others. The trees.. are imo.. not a valid point. However the steer away from the mass effect we knew seems to be the best I can think of. And of course.. my own opinion about the child not being real... (indoctrination or not) except for the first time.

Someone said that the options of logic are-

1. bioware planned this from the start.. but didn't correctly predict the outrage and have poorly handled PR

2. The writing went to ****... and/or they decided to go in a completely different direction in the last 10-15 minutes of the game.

which one seems better to you?

Sorry I got hit by several posts and didn't see your reply.

I actually agree with you. I find I have to repeat this, but I like the theory. I just find some parts flawed based on the game itself.

The story has some flaws before the end but nothing as drammatic as the ending. Number 2 would seem the most likely but not in favor of IT. Being that there isn't much solid evidence for Shepard being indoctrinated during the game, it makes it harder for me to believe it.

What hurts it as well are the articles about how the ending came to be. Only two people wrote the end and it wasn't up for review. This would explain why the end is so much different than the rest of the game.

So... you're willing to beleive something that Bioware has SPECIFICALLY STATED IS UNTRUE, and not beleive in IDT? I think we're done here folks.

Well! They lied about not havign A, B, or C endings! Thus they HAVE to be lying about that as well! :bandit:

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

All of your points have been debated. Some of your points aren't even valid anymore.
 I'm not wasting my time arguing them again.

I thought my post was clear about that.

If you are not going to waste your time, then get out.

I am not going to further waste MY time educating you.

Hey calm down a bit. There's really no need for that. There's no point in debating these points again. We'll be going around i circles. It's a waste of time. Doesn't mean IT is a waste of time.

Need I remind you that you jumped in on my conversation, not the other way around so your agressiveness is unfounded.

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My god.

Your hipocrisy has rendered me truly and completely speechless.

Can you elaborate?