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[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Nuclear explosion? When and where did that happen? Where was Shepard, exactly?

Part of Destroy ending:



Centered around the center of the Citadel. Which is where Shepard was with starbrat. Considering over ten million people live in the Citadel and that explosion is engulfing a pretty significant portion of it... I'd say it's the size of a small to medium nuke.

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

[Iconoclaste]

Arian Dynas wrote...

*hands you troll feed* Here, give this to him. The way to a troll's heart is through his stomach. Which by the way bypasses the ribcage and has the added benefit of puncturing his intestines and making him go septic.

Such a serious argument.

[n00bsauce2010]

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...
He is referring to the massive citadel explosion at the end

And where was Shepard at that moment?

according to IDT- back on earth. According to anti IDT- on the citadel.

IF on the Citadel, WHERE precisely on the Citadel?

The Presidium Ring... which last I checked, got blown sky-high by a neuclear force explosion. Imagine that.

Getting closer, but not there yet. On which side of the presidium ring?

What happened just before the explosion shown in the picture previously posted?

Awww. cute little troll trying to troll people. Present an argument/discussion or just leave please. Your attempt at insulting others is rather sad.

This is your failure point? You do not wish to go further, even if there is clear evidence in game to answer such a simple question?

How about just presenting evidence rather than trying to lead people on. You of all people should understand the clear basis of an argument/debate. Or were you not taught such things?

[Five oH Thre3]

Arian Dynas, You're my F@$#ING HERO! I laugh horrendously whenever I see your reply's to some of these people!

[Golferguy758]

Iconoclaste wrote...

*snip*

This is your failure point? You do not wish to go further, even if there is clear evidence in game to answer such a simple question?

Clarify your statement, please. From what you are saying you seem to imply that Shepard isn't standing  in the center of that explosion, or he's on the other side of that explosion. And If that fireball is engulfing the entirety of the central area it wouldn't matter if he's on one side or the other. 

At the very least the explosion would be launching him outward from that area, through the earth's atmosphere, or off into the void of space.

Neither of which bode well for one's lifepsan.

[OdanUrr]

byne wrote...

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

Let's keep explosions in space and our physics out of this. The two don't go very well hand in hand, I'm afraid.

[Domanese]

I should point out that the IT v2 also makes a conclusion that the breathing scene happens on the Citadel. Of course by the look of the explosion of the citadel, that might very well be inaccurate as well. Not even Shepard could survive that, especially with his damaged armor.

[Arian Dynas]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

All of your points have been debated. Some of your points aren't even valid anymore.
 I'm not wasting my time arguing them again.

I thought my post was clear about that.

If you are not going to waste your time, then get out.

I am not going to further waste MY time educating you.

Hey calm down a bit. There's really no need for that. There's no point in debating these points again. We'll be going around i circles. It's a waste of time. Doesn't mean IT is a waste of time.

Need I remind you that you jumped in on my conversation, not the other way around so your agressiveness is unfounded.

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My god.

Your hipocrisy has rendered me truly and completely speechless.

Can you elaborate?

Must I? I mean you are taking away minutes of my life that I will never get back.

[Iconoclaste]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Nuclear explosion? When and where did that happen? Where was Shepard, exactly?

Part of Destroy ending:



Centered around the center of the Citadel. Which is where Shepard was with starbrat. Considering over ten million people live in the Citadel and that explosion is engulfing a pretty significant portion of it... I'd say it's the size of a small to medium nuke.

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

This blast happens after the beam to Charon mass relay fades out. There are other things happening before that, in this very same cutscene. Those are related to my questions.

By the way, an explosion in vacuum has no pressure to fight against, so it expanses more than it would do on Earth. We cannot infer it's power from just the distance it travels. But that's not the point.

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Sad fact: no one knows how the ending should be interpreted. The subtle hints are at least enough to craft a theory.. and it's one i indeed support. Like i said before.. i don't think they planned this from the start though... maybe they did. I def think the subtle hints are there for a reason. Yes.. some bits of "evidence" are more valid than others. The trees.. are imo.. not a valid point. However the steer away from the mass effect we knew seems to be the best I can think of. And of course.. my own opinion about the child not being real... (indoctrination or not) except for the first time.

Someone said that the options of logic are-

1. bioware planned this from the start.. but didn't correctly predict the outrage and have poorly handled PR

2. The writing went to ****... and/or they decided to go in a completely different direction in the last 10-15 minutes of the game.

which one seems better to you?

Sorry I got hit by several posts and didn't see your reply.

I actually agree with you. I find I have to repeat this, but I like the theory. I just find some parts flawed based on the game itself.

The story has some flaws before the end but nothing as drammatic as the ending. Number 2 would seem the most likely but not in favor of IT. Being that there isn't much solid evidence for Shepard being indoctrinated during the game, it makes it harder for me to believe it.

What hurts it as well are the articles about how the ending came to be. Only two people wrote the end and it wasn't up for review. This would explain why the end is so much different than the rest of the game.

So... you're willing to beleive something that Bioware has SPECIFICALLY STATED IS UNTRUE, and not beleive in IDT? I think we're done here folks.

Bioware also said there wouldn't be a reaper off button. But that's what we got. Would you be more willing to take Bioware's word on the issue?

I'll say this one more time. If I can get solid evidence for IT then I'm all in it like I was from the start when I first read about it. But after replaying the game 5 times I just don't think it's likely.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Can you elaborate?

Must I? I mean you are taking away minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Settle down you two, dont make me turn this thread around!

[Arian Dynas]

OdanUrr wrote...

byne wrote...

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

Let's keep explosions in space and our physics out of this. The two don't go very well hand in hand, I'm afraid.

Can we discard logic, good sense, taste, reason and everything we know about Mass Effect while we're at it?

[llbountyhunter]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Nuclear explosion? When and where did that happen? Where was Shepard, exactly?

Part of Destroy ending:



Centered around the center of the Citadel. Which is where Shepard was with starbrat. Considering over ten million people live in the Citadel and that explosion is engulfing a pretty significant portion of it... I'd say it's the size of a small to medium nuke.

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

no no no no..... he was on the OTHER side of the citadel.    well according to Iconoclaste anyways.

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

All of your points have been debated. Some of your points aren't even valid anymore.
 I'm not wasting my time arguing them again.

I thought my post was clear about that.

If you are not going to waste your time, then get out.

I am not going to further waste MY time educating you.

Hey calm down a bit. There's really no need for that. There's no point in debating these points again. We'll be going around i circles. It's a waste of time. Doesn't mean IT is a waste of time.

Need I remind you that you jumped in on my conversation, not the other way around so your agressiveness is unfounded.

...

...

...

My god.

Your hipocrisy has rendered me truly and completely speechless.

Can you elaborate?

Must I? I mean you are taking away minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Then don't reply.

[Golferguy758]

Domanese wrote...

I should point out that the IT v2 also makes a conclusion that the breathing scene happens on the Citadel. Of course by the look of the explosion of the citadel, that might very well be inaccurate as well. Not even Shepard could survive that, especially with his damaged armor.

I've never heard that come up as an alternate place for where Shep's breath takes place in IT. Ever.

[Iconoclaste]

Domanese wrote...

I should point out that the IT v2 also makes a conclusion that the breathing scene happens on the Citadel. Of course by the look of the explosion of the citadel, that might very well be inaccurate as well. Not even Shepard could survive that, especially with his damaged armor.

That sounds interesting.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Can you elaborate?

Must I? I mean you are taking away minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Settle down you two, dont make me turn this thread around!

:innocent:

Wasn't me...

[byne]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

I should point out that the IT v2 also makes a conclusion that the breathing scene happens on the Citadel. Of course by the look of the explosion of the citadel, that might very well be inaccurate as well. Not even Shepard could survive that, especially with his damaged armor.

I've never heard that come up as an alternate place for where Shep's breath takes place in IT. Ever.

Me neither, plus I've never once seen any concrete on the Citadel.

I've heard people say the indoctrination begins on the Citadel, but never say that the breath scene takes place there.

[Turbotanden]

Iconoclaste wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Nuclear explosion? When and where did that happen? Where was Shepard, exactly?

Part of Destroy ending:



Centered around the center of the Citadel. Which is where Shepard was with starbrat. Considering over ten million people live in the Citadel and that explosion is engulfing a pretty significant portion of it... I'd say it's the size of a small to medium nuke.

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

This blast happens after the beam to Charon mass relay fades out. There are other things happening before that, in this very same cutscene. Those are related to my questions.

By the way, an explosion in vacuum has no pressure to fight against, so it expanses more than it would do on Earth. We cannot infer it's power from just the distance it travels. But that's not the point.

Yeah, Shepard is engulfed in a small explosion that throws him on his back.  I suppose you are suggesting that the ramp Shepard fell backwards on flew away into space towards earth and it was built with heat shields to prevent Shepard burning up during reentry and then actually being made of lots of pillows dampened the final fall.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Nuclear explosion? When and where did that happen? Where was Shepard, exactly?

Part of Destroy ending:



Centered around the center of the Citadel. Which is where Shepard was with starbrat. Considering over ten million people live in the Citadel and that explosion is engulfing a pretty significant portion of it... I'd say it's the size of a small to medium nuke.

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

Well, (puts on physicist glasses) if I remember correctly, a bomb is an explosive device, and explosive devices create both a massive blast of kinetic energy and a massive burst of heat energy.  I do believe that the heat created by the blast would be enough to probably burn you alive.  And the kinetic energy would probably be enough to rip you apart and send you flying.  So I find it hard to believe that Shepard would have survived being at the center of the blast. 

[Arian Dynas]

Iconoclaste wrote...

This blast happens after the beam to Charon mass relay fades out. There are other things happening before that, in this very same cutscene. Those are related to my questions.

By the way, an explosion in vacuum has no pressure to fight against, so it expanses more than it would do on Earth. We cannot infer it's power from just the distance it travels. But that's not the point.

The point you are missing, is that ANY explosion of sufficent force to TEAR APART THE CITADEL would be more than adequate to PULP our hero.

Also, Dwalling, don't forget about pressure waves. Twould be more than enough there to make Shep's lungs collapse in on themselves, terminator or not.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 avril 2012 - 04:00 .

[Golferguy758]

Iconoclaste wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Nuclear explosion? When and where did that happen? Where was Shepard, exactly?

Part of Destroy ending:

pic snip

Centered around the center of the Citadel. Which is where Shepard was with starbrat. Considering over ten million people live in the Citadel and that explosion is engulfing a pretty significant portion of it... I'd say it's the size of a small to medium nuke.

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

This blast happens after the beam to Charon mass relay fades out. There are other things happening before that, in this very same cutscene. Those are related to my questions.

By the way, an explosion in vacuum has no pressure to fight against, so it expanses more than it would do on Earth. We cannot infer it's power from just the distance it travels. But that's not the point.

So...then the explosion launches Shepard off into the void of space even more easily? 

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Sad fact: no one knows how the ending should be interpreted. The subtle hints are at least enough to craft a theory.. and it's one i indeed support. Like i said before.. i don't think they planned this from the start though... maybe they did. I def think the subtle hints are there for a reason. Yes.. some bits of "evidence" are more valid than others. The trees.. are imo.. not a valid point. However the steer away from the mass effect we knew seems to be the best I can think of. And of course.. my own opinion about the child not being real... (indoctrination or not) except for the first time.

Someone said that the options of logic are-

1. bioware planned this from the start.. but didn't correctly predict the outrage and have poorly handled PR

2. The writing went to ****... and/or they decided to go in a completely different direction in the last 10-15 minutes of the game.

which one seems better to you?

Sorry I got hit by several posts and didn't see your reply.

I actually agree with you. I find I have to repeat this, but I like the theory. I just find some parts flawed based on the game itself.

The story has some flaws before the end but nothing as drammatic as the ending. Number 2 would seem the most likely but not in favor of IT. Being that there isn't much solid evidence for Shepard being indoctrinated during the game, it makes it harder for me to believe it.

What hurts it as well are the articles about how the ending came to be. Only two people wrote the end and it wasn't up for review. This would explain why the end is so much different than the rest of the game.

So... you're willing to beleive something that Bioware has SPECIFICALLY STATED IS UNTRUE, and not beleive in IDT? I think we're done here folks.

Bioware also said there wouldn't be a reaper off button. But that's what we got. Would you be more willing to take Bioware's word on the issue?

I'll say this one more time. If I can get solid evidence for IT then I'm all in it like I was from the start when I first read about it. But after replaying the game 5 times I just don't think it's likely.

isnt that the point of IT, this way we DONT get a reaper off button?

the fact they said that along with "no A, B, C" endings and "gave" use something sooo similar realy makes me just that they were really trying to ****** us off.

[OdanUrr]

Arian Dynas wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

byne wrote...

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

Let's keep explosions in space and our physics out of this. The two don't go very well hand in hand, I'm afraid.

Can we discard logic, good sense, taste, reason and everything we know about Mass Effect while we're at it?

You cannot apply our knowledge of bombs to space since most (if not all) of our bombs are designed to work on an oxygen-rich environment (not to mention pressure and other factors).

[Iconoclaste]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Nuclear explosion? When and where did that happen? Where was Shepard, exactly?

Part of Destroy ending:



Centered around the center of the Citadel. Which is where Shepard was with starbrat. Considering over ten million people live in the Citadel and that explosion is engulfing a pretty significant portion of it... I'd say it's the size of a small to medium nuke.

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

Well, (puts on physicist glasses) if I remember correctly, a bomb is an explosive device, and explosive devices create both a massive blast of kinetic energy and a massive burst of heat energy.  I do believe that the heat created by the blast would be enough to probably burn you alive.  And the kinetic energy would probably be enough to rip you apart and send you flying.  So I find it hard to believe that Shepard would have survived being at the center of the blast.

This is the 2nd blast. There was a 1st "blast" minutes before this one.