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[Dwailing]

OK, time to go to bed. See you all later. BTW, for more information of bombs in space, try Googling it. You'll find some interesting stuff.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Do I even need to say it?  SPACE MAGIC!!!!!! :wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Iconoclaste]

Vanek86 wrote...

Iconoclaste, can you explain why you are teleported to a hallway which leads directly to control panel that opens the citadels arms? You didn't find that a bit to convenient or strange?

That's plain stupid. I believe, for now, that the "Reapers" sent dead bodies in the beam to get them in those dark corridors for later "treatment". Death does not seem a big deal in Mass Effect, since even Shepard seemingly "resurrects" after a good amount of time without oxygen to the brain, with no ill effects. Or...

[Golferguy758]

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Bioware was lazy! Boom. Beat someone to the punch.

[n00bsauce2010]

OdanUrr wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

so you ignore the ever-present mass effect fields that hold in air, only when they help you contradict IT?  

I see.

Mass Effect fields are an ingame creation that doesn't exist in our physics. That's okay because we're willing to go along with some things when we "enter" a fictional universe. For instance, I can go along with explosions in space, certainly, but I cannot go along with using physics that apply to oxygen-based bombs to reverse-engineer those kinds of events because the math won't add up.

sadly..the mass effect fields holding in oxygen makes it much more likely that an explosion of that scope could take place in a vacuum.

[Arian Dynas]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I ca't not! For exactly the same reason you are. *GASP* SOMEONE IS WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING AND I THINK I'M BETTER THAN THEM! 

If that's the how you feel my tone is then I apologize. I'm not trying to prove I'm better than anyone here. Just trying to join the discussion. I do that by not attacking the person I'm replying to.

Big of you to apologize, but to be honest with you, I fail to see sincerity in it. If you are trying to join the conversation, you do that by not attempting to show off. A better example of this is;

"Hey you guise! I think IDT is wrong, and for these, well-researched reasons that I have read through several pages of the thread, making sure they haven't been covered already! Can someone please explain if I am correct or not?"

[balance5050]

OdanUrr wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

so you ignore the ever-present mass effect fields that hold in air, only when they help you contradict IT?  

I see.

Mass Effect fields are an ingame creation that doesn't exist in our physics. That's okay because we're willing to go along with some things when we "enter" a fictional universe. For instance, I can go along with explosions in space, certainly, but I cannot go along with using physics that apply to oxygen-based bombs to reverse-engineer those kinds of events because the math won't add up.

You don't beleive in explosions in space? You realize that the sun is a giant, continuous explosion right? Chemical reactions still happen.

[byne]

Golferguy758 wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Bioware was lazy! Boom. Beat someone to the punch.

I'm still holding onto the idea that the galaxy map represents the neural pathways in Shep's brain. Red is the brain rejecting indoctrination and breaking free, blue/green are the brain giving in and becoming indoctrinated.

At least then it would make sense why it began in the Viper Nebula, as that represents where Shep's indoctrination would've begun, due to Object Rho.

[brickheart]

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

I should point out that the IT v2 also makes a conclusion that the breathing scene happens on the Citadel. Of course by the look of the explosion of the citadel, that might very well be inaccurate as well. Not even Shepard could survive that, especially with his damaged armor.

I've never heard that come up as an alternate place for where Shep's breath takes place in IT. Ever.

Me neither, plus I've never once seen any concrete on the Citadel.

I've heard people say the indoctrination begins on the Citadel, but never say that the breath scene takes place there.

Uh, It is possible that a literal interpretation is true-- perhaps Shepard ended up behind one of the kenetic barriers on the Citadel. Besides, the Citadel is a big place-- how do you know there is no concrete? Both of you make really poor arguments 

I have mostly been lurking in this thread, but this is a scifi game, anything is possible. That is why the speculation ranges from dream, to indoctrination, to magic, to literal interpretations, to the plot being a bed time story, etc.

I don't think anyone should count out IDT or a literal interpretation until we have more information. Speculating on minor details will not be productive.

[llbountyhunter]

OdanUrr wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

so you ignore the ever-present mass effect fields that hold in air, only when they help you contradict IT?  

I see.

Mass Effect fields are an ingame creation that doesn't exist in our physics. That's okay because we're willing to go along with some things when we "enter" a fictional universe. For instance, I can go along with explosions in space, certainly, but I cannot go along with using physics that apply to oxygen-based bombs to reverse-engineer those kinds of events because the math won't add up.

btw. explosions CAN happen in space, but a sustained fire cannot.

not arguing or anything just pointing it out. 

[Domanese]

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

I should point out that the IT v2 also makes a conclusion that the breathing scene happens on the Citadel. Of course by the look of the explosion of the citadel, that might very well be inaccurate as well. Not even Shepard could survive that, especially with his damaged armor.

I've never heard that come up as an alternate place for where Shep's breath takes place in IT. Ever.

Me neither, plus I've never once seen any concrete on the Citadel.

I've heard people say the indoctrination begins on the Citadel, but never say that the breath scene takes place there.

This is the thread detailing the v2 of IT where they depict a different take on the theory. 

http://social.biowar.../index/11312241

[balance5050]

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

I always liked that clue/bug.

Modifié par balance5050, 16 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[Vanek86]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Vanek86 wrote...

Iconoclaste, can you explain why you are teleported to a hallway which leads directly to control panel that opens the citadels arms? You didn't find that a bit to convenient or strange?

That's plain stupid. I believe, for now, that the "Reapers" sent dead bodies in the beam to get them in those dark corridors for later "treatment". Death does not seem a big deal in Mass Effect, since even Shepard seemingly "resurrects" after a good amount of time without oxygen to the brain, with no ill effects. Or...

Wow lol, why do people bother with you anyway. You still didn't answer me but w/e it wont matter.

[Big G13]

Golferguy758 wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Bioware was lazy! Boom. Beat someone to the punch.

LOL!

[n00bsauce2010]

balance5050 wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

I always liked that clue/bug.

bad writing. according to anti idt.

[Iconoclaste]

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Bioware was lazy! Boom. Beat someone to the punch.

I'm still holding onto the idea that the galaxy map represents the neural pathways in Shep's brain. Red is the brain rejecting indoctrination and breaking free, blue/green are the brain giving in and becoming indoctrinated.

At least then it would make sense why it began in the Viper Nebula, as that represents where Shep's indoctrination would've begun, due to Object Rho.

Isn't that where the Alpha mass relay was?

[OdanUrr]

balance5050 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

so you ignore the ever-present mass effect fields that hold in air, only when they help you contradict IT?  

I see.

Mass Effect fields are an ingame creation that doesn't exist in our physics. That's okay because we're willing to go along with some things when we "enter" a fictional universe. For instance, I can go along with explosions in space, certainly, but I cannot go along with using physics that apply to oxygen-based bombs to reverse-engineer those kinds of events because the math won't add up.

You don't beleive in explosions in space? You realize that the sun is a giant, continuous explosion right? Chemical reactions still happen.

Those chemical reactions are radically different from the ones found in our explosives.

[Arian Dynas]

brickheart wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

I should point out that the IT v2 also makes a conclusion that the breathing scene happens on the Citadel. Of course by the look of the explosion of the citadel, that might very well be inaccurate as well. Not even Shepard could survive that, especially with his damaged armor.

I've never heard that come up as an alternate place for where Shep's breath takes place in IT. Ever.

Me neither, plus I've never once seen any concrete on the Citadel.

I've heard people say the indoctrination begins on the Citadel, but never say that the breath scene takes place there.

Uh, It is possible that a literal interpretation is true-- perhaps Shepard ended up behind one of the kenetic barriers on the Citadel. Besides, the Citadel is a big place-- how do you know there is no concrete? Both of you make really poor arguments 

How do you know there is?
That seems to be supposition being presented as facts again...

I have mostly been lurking in this thread, but this is a scifi game, anything is possible. That is why the speculation ranges from dream, to indoctrination, to magic, to literal interpretations, to the plot being a bed time story, etc.

Yes, but even bedtime stories don't fly in the face of their own interally consistent logic.

I don't think anyone should count out IDT or a literal interpretation until we have more information. Speculating on minor details will not be productive.

Yeah, but have you got a better method of wasting time on the internet, trying not to do work?

[byne]

brickheart wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

I should point out that the IT v2 also makes a conclusion that the breathing scene happens on the Citadel. Of course by the look of the explosion of the citadel, that might very well be inaccurate as well. Not even Shepard could survive that, especially with his damaged armor.

I've never heard that come up as an alternate place for where Shep's breath takes place in IT. Ever.

Me neither, plus I've never once seen any concrete on the Citadel.

I've heard people say the indoctrination begins on the Citadel, but never say that the breath scene takes place there.

Uh, It is possible that a literal interpretation is true-- perhaps Shepard ended up behind one of the kenetic barriers on the Citadel. Besides, the Citadel is a big place-- how do you know there is no concrete? Both of you make really poor arguments 

I have mostly been lurking in this thread, but this is a scifi game, anything is possible. That is why the speculation ranges from dream, to indoctrination, to magic, to literal interpretations, to the plot being a bed time story, etc.

I don't think anyone should count out IDT or a literal interpretation until we have more information. Speculating on minor details will not be productive.

How did Shepard go from being on the bottom of the presidium tower to somewhere far away enough to survive the explosion and get behind a kinetic barrier? 

The Citadel is made of sci-fi space metal, its even said a few times that when they were repairing damage from Sovereign's attack they just used crappy metals as kind of a temporary measure, and the keepers quickly replaced it with the good metal.

I doubt the keepers would just leave crappy concrete buildings alone.

[byne]

Iconoclaste wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Bioware was lazy! Boom. Beat someone to the punch.

I'm still holding onto the idea that the galaxy map represents the neural pathways in Shep's brain. Red is the brain rejecting indoctrination and breaking free, blue/green are the brain giving in and becoming indoctrinated.

At least then it would make sense why it began in the Viper Nebula, as that represents where Shep's indoctrination would've begun, due to Object Rho.

Isn't that where the Alpha mass relay was?

Yeah, thats what I'm saying.

But its not there anymore, it was destroyed.

[Arian Dynas]

OdanUrr wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

so you ignore the ever-present mass effect fields that hold in air, only when they help you contradict IT?  

I see.

Mass Effect fields are an ingame creation that doesn't exist in our physics. That's okay because we're willing to go along with some things when we "enter" a fictional universe. For instance, I can go along with explosions in space, certainly, but I cannot go along with using physics that apply to oxygen-based bombs to reverse-engineer those kinds of events because the math won't add up.

You don't beleive in explosions in space? You realize that the sun is a giant, continuous explosion right? Chemical reactions still happen.

Those chemical reactions are radically different from the ones found in our explosives.

Excellent. Explain to me how a gigantic space-station of unknown composition of materials magnitudes harder than high tensile steel being blown up by a massive release of energy that selectively destroys all examples of a paticular type of technology is similar to our explosives.

[Golferguy758]

brickheart wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

I should point out that the IT v2 also makes a conclusion that the breathing scene happens on the Citadel. Of course by the look of the explosion of the citadel, that might very well be inaccurate as well. Not even Shepard could survive that, especially with his damaged armor.

I've never heard that come up as an alternate place for where Shep's breath takes place in IT. Ever.

Me neither, plus I've never once seen any concrete on the Citadel.

I've heard people say the indoctrination begins on the Citadel, but never say that the breath scene takes place there.

Uh, It is possible that a literal interpretation is true-- perhaps Shepard ended up behind one of the kenetic barriers on the Citadel. Besides, the Citadel is a big place-- how do you know there is no concrete? Both of you make really poor arguments 

I have mostly been lurking in this thread, but this is a scifi game, anything is possible. That is why the speculation ranges from dream, to indoctrination, to magic, to literal interpretations, to the plot being a bed time story, etc.

I don't think anyone should count out IDT or a literal interpretation until we have more information. Speculating on minor details will not be productive.

Because other than saran wrap, concrete would be one of the worst things to make a space station out of, or to have in sufficient quantities aboard said space station. 

Additionally, the location that Shepard is at has no concrete. So unless someone is saying the explosion launched him into an area filled with concrete, you know what, I'm not going to finish this thought because it's sounding even more stupid the more I think about it.

Regardless, yes, we have to wait and see. 

part of me wants the endings to BE literal just to see how much crap they can pull out of their starkid's ass to make sense of it. But the larger part of me wants to believe that they didn't screw up the writing that bad, only the PR.

[shadowreflexion]

 Reading through these pages have been daunting. I have a question though. Forgive me if it's been answered already. Did anyone explain why the screen is in an oval shape at the end through Shep's vision? The only time I've ever noticed that was when Harbinger assumed control of one of the Collectors during incursions, when the Normandy gets boarded, and when you go through the Omega 4 relay and the Oculus are watching you before they engage the Normandy. Like, Shep is being observed or controlled through the eyes of Harbinger. I don't agree with the IT plot but I do find that very strange.

[llbountyhunter]

byne wrote...

brickheart wrote...

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

I should point out that the IT v2 also makes a conclusion that the breathing scene happens on the Citadel. Of course by the look of the explosion of the citadel, that might very well be inaccurate as well. Not even Shepard could survive that, especially with his damaged armor.

I've never heard that come up as an alternate place for where Shep's breath takes place in IT. Ever.

Me neither, plus I've never once seen any concrete on the Citadel.

I've heard people say the indoctrination begins on the Citadel, but never say that the breath scene takes place there.

Uh, It is possible that a literal interpretation is true-- perhaps Shepard ended up behind one of the kenetic barriers on the Citadel. Besides, the Citadel is a big place-- how do you know there is no concrete? Both of you make really poor arguments 

I have mostly been lurking in this thread, but this is a scifi game, anything is possible. That is why the speculation ranges from dream, to indoctrination, to magic, to literal interpretations, to the plot being a bed time story, etc.

I don't think anyone should count out IDT or a literal interpretation until we have more information. Speculating on minor details will not be productive.

How did Shepard go from being on the bottom of the presidium tower to somewhere far away enough to survive the explosion and get behind a kinetic barrier? 

The Citadel is made of sci-fi space metal, its even said a few times that when they were repairing damage from Sovereign's attack they just used crappy metals as kind of a temporary measure, and the keepers quickly replaced it with the good metal.

I doubt the keepers would just leave crappy concrete buildings alone.

Bioware is laz- damn someone beat me to it..... well then

space magic!!! 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 16 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[balance5050]

Vanek86 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Vanek86 wrote...

Iconoclaste, can you explain why you are teleported to a hallway which leads directly to control panel that opens the citadels arms? You didn't find that a bit to convenient or strange?

That's plain stupid. I believe, for now, that the "Reapers" sent dead bodies in the beam to get them in those dark corridors for later "treatment". Death does not seem a big deal in Mass Effect, since even Shepard seemingly "resurrects" after a good amount of time without oxygen to the brain, with no ill effects. Or...

Wow lol, why do people bother with you anyway. You still didn't answer me but w/e it wont matter.

Yep, there is no such thing as teleportation in mass effect. When shepard goes through the conduit to the citadel, he effectively travels through solid substances, and is also flipped upside down. Doesn't make much sense to me.

Modifié par balance5050, 16 avril 2012 - 04:21 .