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[Hawk227]

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Actually, there was a thread the other day (social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11351112) where someone tried to decide exactly where the reaction started and in what order it proceeded. They concluded it started in the apien crest and reached the local cluster 7th (out of17). The whole thread is a good read, but the relevant photos are linked below

i.imgur.com/ul6lw.jpg

i.imgur.com/9uOez.jpg

Of course, this still leaves us with Space Magic as the best answer.

[Iconoclaste]

Vanek86 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Vanek86 wrote...

Iconoclaste, can you explain why you are teleported to a hallway which leads directly to control panel that opens the citadels arms? You didn't find that a bit to convenient or strange?

That's plain stupid. I believe, for now, that the "Reapers" sent dead bodies in the beam to get them in those dark corridors for later "treatment". Death does not seem a big deal in Mass Effect, since even Shepard seemingly "resurrects" after a good amount of time without oxygen to the brain, with no ill effects. Or...

Wow lol, why do people bother with you anyway. You still didn't answer me but w/e it wont matter.

Sorry for the wording : your question is not stupid! The way they made the "dead repository rooms" to transport Shepard to the Citadel is. This 'channel" would be used for dead bodies, and yet Shepard just has to walk towards a door to have it opening. We can even see bloodfalls each side of the "bridge", but we do not see so many bodies to support such a flow of liquids.

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I ca't not! For exactly the same reason you are. *GASP* SOMEONE IS WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING AND I THINK I'M BETTER THAN THEM! 

If that's the how you feel my tone is then I apologize. I'm not trying to prove I'm better than anyone here. Just trying to join the discussion. I do that by not attacking the person I'm replying to.

Big of you to apologize, but to be honest with you, I fail to see sincerity in it. If you are trying to join the conversation, you do that by not attempting to show off. A better example of this is;

"Hey you guise! I think IDT is wrong, and for these, well-researched reasons that I have read through several pages of the thread, making sure they haven't been covered already! Can someone please explain if I am correct or not?"

I've been on this thread for a while. I didn't just join.

Maybe not since page 1. But I've had my share.

If I have something I believe is evidence I'll put it forward while I explain my position. I don't do it to show off. I do it so that I don't seem like I'm speculating.

Honestly, I'm not looking to fight anybody here. Just giving my opinions just like everyone else.

[OdanUrr]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Excellent. Explain to me how a gigantic space-station of unknown composition of materials magnitudes harder than high tensile steel being blown up by a massive release of energy that selectively destroys all examples of a paticular type of technology is similar to our explosives.

Never did say that. It's just that byne used a program based on explosions in an oxygen-rich environment to determine the yield of the bomb and I just pointed out those calculations do not apply in this case.

[Golferguy758]

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Bioware was lazy! Boom. Beat someone to the punch.

I'm still holding onto the idea that the galaxy map represents the neural pathways in Shep's brain. Red is the brain rejecting indoctrination and breaking free, blue/green are the brain giving in and becoming indoctrinated.

At least then it would make sense why it began in the Viper Nebula, as that represents where Shep's indoctrination would've begun, due to Object Rho.

Heh, I remember mentioning that way way way back when this thread was a baby 50-100 pages long.

Memories....

[Iconoclaste]

shadowreflexion wrote...

 Reading through these pages have been daunting. I have a question though. Forgive me if it's been answered already. Did anyone explain why the screen is in an oval shape at the end through Shep's vision? The only time I've ever noticed that was when Harbinger assumed control of one of the Collectors during incursions, when the Normandy gets boarded, and when you go through the Omega 4 relay and the Oculus are watching you before they engage the Normandy. Like, Shep is being observed or controlled through the eyes of Harbinger. I don't agree with the IT plot but I do find that very strange.

That's the typical "near death" cosmetics. If Shepard gets more damage from that point on, little dark veins start to invade more and more the center of the picture. They just kept it on the edge.

[byne]

Hawk227 wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Actually, there was a thread the other day (social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11351112) where someone tried to decide exactly where the reaction started and in what order it proceeded. They concluded it started in the apien crest and reached the local cluster 7th (out of17). The whole thread is a good read, but the relevant photos are linked below

i.imgur.com/ul6lw.jpg

i.imgur.com/9uOez.jpg

Of course, this still leaves us with Space Magic as the best answer.

Still seems to me that the chain reaction started at the tip of the bottom arm of the galaxy map, which is where the Viper Nebula is.



The Viper Nebula is the one way at the bottom.

[Arian Dynas]

OdanUrr wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Excellent. Explain to me how a gigantic space-station of unknown composition of materials magnitudes harder than high tensile steel being blown up by a massive release of energy that selectively destroys all examples of a paticular type of technology is similar to our explosives.

Never did say that. It's just that byne used a program based on explosions in an oxygen-rich environment to determine the yield of the bomb and I just pointed out those calculations do not apply in this case.

Pehaps it still manages to somehow escape you that a force capable of DESINTIGRATING SOMETHING HARDER THAN STEEL would be more than sufficent to kill Shepard.

[OdanUrr]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Pehaps it still manages to somehow escape you that a force capable of DESINTIGRATING SOMETHING HARDER THAN STEEL would be more than sufficent to kill Shepard.

I did admit to that several posts earlier, maybe you missed it. Of course, perhaps the mass effect fields did save Shepard in the end.

[Golferguy758]

Arian Dynas wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Excellent. Explain to me how a gigantic space-station of unknown composition of materials magnitudes harder than high tensile steel being blown up by a massive release of energy that selectively destroys all examples of a paticular type of technology is similar to our explosives.

Never did say that. It's just that byne used a program based on explosions in an oxygen-rich environment to determine the yield of the bomb and I just pointed out those calculations do not apply in this case.

Pehaps it still manages to somehow escape you that a force capable of DESINTIGRATING SOMETHING HARDER THAN STEEL would be more than sufficent to kill Shepard.

Pft. Shepard is Superman. I'd post a superimposed Superman logo over the armor, but I'm too lazy tonight and I need to go to bed.

[Iconoclaste]

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Didn't see the last line, sorry.

Well, since there was already the Charon relay as 2nd "link" of that chain, and we see it sending its "beam" to another relay (which one?), we can assume that when we see the galaxy from above, there have been at least Charon that could have sent the pulse there.

[Arian Dynas]

One thing I like about Dakka Dakka, their forums at least have this delightful "Jawdrop" emoticon for occasions like these.

[shadowreflexion]

Iconoclaste wrote...

shadowreflexion wrote...

 Reading through these pages have been daunting. I have a question though. Forgive me if it's been answered already. Did anyone explain why the screen is in an oval shape at the end through Shep's vision? The only time I've ever noticed that was when Harbinger assumed control of one of the Collectors during incursions, when the Normandy gets boarded, and when you go through the Omega 4 relay and the Oculus are watching you before they engage the Normandy. Like, Shep is being observed or controlled through the eyes of Harbinger. I don't agree with the IT plot but I do find that very strange.

That's the typical "near death" cosmetics. If Shepard gets more damage from that point on, little dark veins start to invade more and more the center of the picture. They just kept it on the edge.

Ahhh. Thanks.

[balance5050]

Arian Dynas wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Excellent. Explain to me how a gigantic space-station of unknown composition of materials magnitudes harder than high tensile steel being blown up by a massive release of energy that selectively destroys all examples of a paticular type of technology is similar to our explosives.

Never did say that. It's just that byne used a program based on explosions in an oxygen-rich environment to determine the yield of the bomb and I just pointed out those calculations do not apply in this case.

Pehaps it still manages to somehow escape you that a force capable of DESINTIGRATING SOMETHING HARDER THAN STEEL would be more than sufficent to kill Shepard.

Indeed, if we are to assume for a moment that the "Shep Alive" does take place on the Citadel, the those broken peices lying around Shep would be the "unknown resilient material", Shep would be disintegrated with the kind of force needed to break that.

[Arian Dynas]

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Excellent. Explain to me how a gigantic space-station of unknown composition of materials magnitudes harder than high tensile steel being blown up by a massive release of energy that selectively destroys all examples of a paticular type of technology is similar to our explosives.

Never did say that. It's just that byne used a program based on explosions in an oxygen-rich environment to determine the yield of the bomb and I just pointed out those calculations do not apply in this case.

Pehaps it still manages to somehow escape you that a force capable of DESINTIGRATING SOMETHING HARDER THAN STEEL would be more than sufficent to kill Shepard.

Indeed, if we are to assume for a moment that the "Shep Alive" does take place on the Citadel, the those broken peices lying around Shep would be the "unknown resilient material", Shep would be disintegrated with the kind of force needed to break that.

Disintigrated is putting it mildly. Not even a stain on the wall, perhaps would be more accurate.

[MrFob]

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

[paxxton]

We should really stop asking ourselves whether Shepard would be killed by a thermonuclear-bomb-equivalent explosion being at the center of impact.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 avril 2012 - 04:36 .

[Arian Dynas]

MrFob wrote...

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

Goddamn... where's that jawdrop emoticon when you need it...

Can I introduce you to my good friend Sir William of Ockham, good sir?

[Golferguy758]

MrFob wrote...

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

[brickheart]

byne wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Actually, there was a thread the other day (social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11351112) where someone tried to decide exactly where the reaction started and in what order it proceeded. They concluded it started in the apien crest and reached the local cluster 7th (out of17). The whole thread is a good read, but the relevant photos are linked below

i.imgur.com/ul6lw.jpg

i.imgur.com/9uOez.jpg

Of course, this still leaves us with Space Magic as the best answer.

Still seems to me that the chain reaction started at the tip of the bottom arm of the galaxy map, which is where the Viper Nebula is.



The Viper Nebula is the one way at the bottom.

I know I am quoting a lot, but I never thought about this. I just beat the game again to see which one of you is closer, but it is clearly not near Earth, somewhere on the bottom arm The Apien Crest is way too high to match it. I am not sure. It is not the Viper Nebula. It is way to far left, as the Viper Nebula is literally on the bottom right. It must be some unnamed system. Or somehow the chain reaction shot somewhere down there and we only see the Mass Relays doing their thing post color change in the local cluster.

Very interesting. Nice catch.

[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Excellent. Explain to me how a gigantic space-station of unknown composition of materials magnitudes harder than high tensile steel being blown up by a massive release of energy that selectively destroys all examples of a paticular type of technology is similar to our explosives.

Never did say that. It's just that byne used a program based on explosions in an oxygen-rich environment to determine the yield of the bomb and I just pointed out those calculations do not apply in this case.

Pehaps it still manages to somehow escape you that a force capable of DESINTIGRATING SOMETHING HARDER THAN STEEL would be more than sufficent to kill Shepard.

Indeed, if we are to assume for a moment that the "Shep Alive" does take place on the Citadel, the those broken peices lying around Shep would be the "unknown resilient material", Shep would be disintegrated with the kind of force needed to break that.

Again : there was a 1st "spherical blast" of a different nature happening long enough before the one shown on the last posts, that could have just pushed Shepard in an eccentric direction towards walls we see around spacekid chatting grounds, or all the way to the inner side of the Ring" we see in remote background, or even on some part of the "arms" that go beyond the ring (look at ME1 "ME1_UplinkSEQ02.bik") since this 1st spherical blast, after having pushed Shepard off the platform, would have pushed him further down and sideways. Of course, having seen how poorly some animations made sense overall, I did not really expect such a thing, but it can be reasonably assumed, since the soldiers on Earth are not "burned" in any way by this 1st blast.

[Golferguy758]

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Excellent. Explain to me how a gigantic space-station of unknown composition of materials magnitudes harder than high tensile steel being blown up by a massive release of energy that selectively destroys all examples of a paticular type of technology is similar to our explosives.

Never did say that. It's just that byne used a program based on explosions in an oxygen-rich environment to determine the yield of the bomb and I just pointed out those calculations do not apply in this case.

Pehaps it still manages to somehow escape you that a force capable of DESINTIGRATING SOMETHING HARDER THAN STEEL would be more than sufficent to kill Shepard.

Indeed, if we are to assume for a moment that the "Shep Alive" does take place on the Citadel, the those broken peices lying around Shep would be the "unknown resilient material", Shep would be disintegrated with the kind of force needed to break that.

Again : there was a 1st "spherical blast" of a different nature happening long enough before the one shown on the last posts, that could have just pushed Shepard in an eccentric direction towards walls we see around spacekid chatting grounds, or all the way to the inner side of the Ring" we see in remote background, or even on some part of the "arms" that go beyond the ring (look at ME1 "ME1_UplinkSEQ02.bik") since this 1st spherical blast, after having pushed Shepard off the platform, would have pushed him further down and sideways. Of course, having seen how poorly some animations made sense overall, I did not really expect such a thing, but it can be reasonably assumed, since the soldiers on Earth are not "burned" in any way by this 1st blast.

But neither are they pushed around by it. More like a gentle breeze, really. The soft caressing whispers of a summer long ago. 

...

What?

[Golferguy758]

Night everybody! Continue the FRIENDLY debate without me.

Cheers!

[Arian Dynas]

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Excellent. Explain to me how a gigantic space-station of unknown composition of materials magnitudes harder than high tensile steel being blown up by a massive release of energy that selectively destroys all examples of a paticular type of technology is similar to our explosives.

Never did say that. It's just that byne used a program based on explosions in an oxygen-rich environment to determine the yield of the bomb and I just pointed out those calculations do not apply in this case.

Pehaps it still manages to somehow escape you that a force capable of DESINTIGRATING SOMETHING HARDER THAN STEEL would be more than sufficent to kill Shepard.

Indeed, if we are to assume for a moment that the "Shep Alive" does take place on the Citadel, the those broken peices lying around Shep would be the "unknown resilient material", Shep would be disintegrated with the kind of force needed to break that.

Again : there was a 1st "spherical blast" of a different nature happening long enough before the one shown on the last posts, that could have just pushed Shepard in an eccentric direction towards walls we see around spacekid chatting grounds, or all the way to the inner side of the Ring" we see in remote background, or even on some part of the "arms" that go beyond the ring (look at ME1 "ME1_UplinkSEQ02.bik") since this 1st spherical blast, after having pushed Shepard off the platform, would have pushed him further down and sideways. Of course, having seen how poorly some animations made sense overall, I did not really expect such a thing, but it can be reasonably assumed, since the soldiers on Earth are not "burned" in any way by this 1st blast.

Pardon me, I have to go beat my head against a wall for a few hours, be back soon.

[balance5050]

brickheart wrote...

byne wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Actually, there was a thread the other day (social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11351112) where someone tried to decide exactly where the reaction started and in what order it proceeded. They concluded it started in the apien crest and reached the local cluster 7th (out of17). The whole thread is a good read, but the relevant photos are linked below

i.imgur.com/ul6lw.jpg

i.imgur.com/9uOez.jpg

Of course, this still leaves us with Space Magic as the best answer.

Still seems to me that the chain reaction started at the tip of the bottom arm of the galaxy map, which is where the Viper Nebula is.



The Viper Nebula is the one way at the bottom.

I know I am quoting a lot, but I never thought about this. I just beat the game again to see which one of you is closer, but it is clearly not near Earth, somewhere on the bottom arm The Apien Crest is way too high to match it. I am not sure. It is not the Viper Nebula. It is way to far left, as the Viper Nebula is literally on the bottom right. It must be some unnamed system. Or somehow the chain reaction shot somewhere down there and we only see the Mass Relays doing their thing post color change in the local cluster.

Very interesting. Nice catch.

Looks like the Viper nebula, the system you travel to in "the Arrival" DLC for ME2, Lot's of weird things happen there including being unconcious near a big freaking REAPER ARTIFACT. Also at the end of "the arrival" Harbinger appears to you in holographic form without any apparent projectors around, it was on the surface of an asteroid.