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[Emperor_Ike]

brickheart wrote...
I know I am quoting a lot, but I never thought about this. I just beat the game again to see which one of you is closer, but it is clearly not near Earth, somewhere on the bottom arm The Apien Crest is way too high to match it. I am not sure. It is not the Viper Nebula. It is way to far left, as the Viper Nebula is literally on the bottom right. It must be some unnamed system. Or somehow the chain reaction shot somewhere down there and we only see the Mass Relays doing their thing post color change in the local cluster.

Very interesting. Nice catch.

But Viper is literally bottom center, neither right nor left. And any movement of the arms as they cycle around Galactic Central Point takes millions of years to be noticeable. One revolution is somewhere in the 225-240 million year range.

And of course, that system no longer bleeding exists, which is why you started the game in jail. You monster.

[Iconoclaste]

MrFob wrote...

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

Could be, as much as anything. The "rubble" shown in "Shep_alive" video contains a piece that looks like a part of the red tube structure Shepard blows up. If anything, Shepard wouldn't even survive this red tube explosion right in his face, if it contained hot gas of any kind, but clearly it doesn't seem so, because even after being engulfed in 'red fire", he still stands to shoot once more before we're shown the "red space magic ball" growing. This ball grows from a point mid-way up the COucil tower, which is on the OTHER side of the platform Shepard is standing on, so it may be that SHepard, like you proposed, just got blown around by the red tube pressure, with its remains.

[Lomerel]

Lomerel wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Sad fact: no one knows how the ending should be interpreted. The subtle hints are at least enough to craft a theory.. and it's one i indeed support. Like i said before.. i don't think they planned this from the start though... maybe they did. I def think the subtle hints are there for a reason. Yes.. some bits of "evidence" are more valid than others. The trees.. are imo.. not a valid point. However the steer away from the mass effect we knew seems to be the best I can think of. And of course.. my own opinion about the child not being real... (indoctrination or not) except for the first time.

Someone said that the options of logic are-

1. bioware planned this from the start.. but didn't correctly predict the outrage and have poorly handled PR

2. The writing went to ****... and/or they decided to go in a completely different direction in the last 10-15 minutes of the game.

which one seems better to you?

Sorry I got hit by several posts and didn't see your reply.

I actually agree with you. I find I have to repeat this, but I like the theory. I just find some parts flawed based on the game itself.

The story has some flaws before the end but nothing as drammatic as the ending. Number 2 would seem the most likely but not in favor of IT. Being that there isn't much solid evidence for Shepard being indoctrinated during the game, it makes it harder for me to believe it.

What hurts it as well are the articles about how the ending came to be. Only two people wrote the end and it wasn't up for review. This would explain why the end is so much different than the rest of the game.

See, thing is, though, that while the ending may have only been written by two guys, those two were the lead writer, who had been co-lead writer since the beginning of the series, and the project director, again, who had been here since the beginning of the series.  And considering these guys both work for Bioware, I find it hard to believe that these guys could have written something that was such an epic fail.  Although, Casey did say he thought that ME: Deception depicted Kai Leng as a bad***.  Yeah, a bad*** who eats cereal in another man's apartment and pees in a vase.  To quote Doctor Evil, "Riiiiiiigggggghhht." <_<

Edit: So, Casey and Mac DIDN'T write the ending for ME3 by themselves?  Cool, just gives us more evidence.  'Cause I find it hard to believe that the WHOLE WRITING TEAM came up with an ending that was such an epic fail.

I was hoping that people will bring that up again. The first time, I created my account, registered the game and had to wait 24hs to post... losing my chance to say something This is my first time posting ever!

So... here is my 2 cents:
Some time ago, I viewed a Star Wars documentary when it was stated that George Lucas was the only one that knew Vader was Luke's father. The scrip all the people knew about said that Obi-Wan was the responsible for the dead of Luke's father, the real one was locked inside a strong box. NO ONE knew the truth until they shoot the scene. Even then, The only one that knew about it was Mark Hamill, the one playing Luke. They later altered the dialog of Darth Vader to resemble the original script (A voice actor made all the dialog of Darth Vader in all the movies, and not the original actor). This was made so that no one knew the truth.

I was thinking... if the rumor about just the lead writers writing the ending is true... could something like this had happened? This could explain all the weird responses we were getting thous far

I'm a little ashame to repost this... put  no one seems to have noticed this t.t

[Arian Dynas]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

brickheart wrote...
I know I am quoting a lot, but I never thought about this. I just beat the game again to see which one of you is closer, but it is clearly not near Earth, somewhere on the bottom arm The Apien Crest is way too high to match it. I am not sure. It is not the Viper Nebula. It is way to far left, as the Viper Nebula is literally on the bottom right. It must be some unnamed system. Or somehow the chain reaction shot somewhere down there and we only see the Mass Relays doing their thing post color change in the local cluster.

Very interesting. Nice catch.

But Viper is literally bottom center, neither right nor left. And any movement of the arms as they cycle around Galactic Central Point takes millions of years to be noticeable. One revolution is somewhere in the 225-240 million year range.

And of course, that system no longer bleeding exists, which is why you started the game in jail. You monster.

I plead the fifth.

[Hawk227]

byne wrote...

Hawk227 wrote...

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

Actually, there was a thread the other day (social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11351112) where someone tried to decide exactly where the reaction started and in what order it proceeded. They concluded it started in the apien crest and reached the local cluster 7th (out of17). The whole thread is a good read, but the relevant photos are linked below

i.imgur.com/ul6lw.jpg

i.imgur.com/9uOez.jpg

Of course, this still leaves us with Space Magic as the best answer.

Still seems to me that the chain reaction started at the tip of the bottom arm of the galaxy map, which is where the Viper Nebula is.



The Viper Nebula is the one way at the bottom.

I was onboard with the viper nebula theory till this post, now I'm not so sure. It really is worth the read. The Milky Way in the cinematic is different than the one in the galaxy map, that arm the viper nebula is on isn't really shown. He uses some other landmarks to try and pinpoint everything. Also, the image in the cinematic is rotated about 20 degrees counter clockwise from the galaxy map. In the cinematic, the viper nebula would be substantially farther right. Might be wrong, but worth a read.

PS: I like how someone countered your 100 kilaton Nuke argument with "its space, the physics are different." An explosion 1/100,000th that size would be sufficient to kill Shepard! Too funny.

[balance5050]

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

Could be, as much as anything. The "rubble" shown in "Shep_alive" video contains a piece that looks like a part of the red tube structure Shepard blows up. If anything, Shepard wouldn't even survive this red tube explosion right in his face, if it contained hot gas of any kind, but clearly it doesn't seem so, because even after being engulfed in 'red fire", he still stands to shoot once more before we're shown the "red space magic ball" growing. This ball grows from a point mid-way up the COucil tower, which is on the OTHER side of the platform Shepard is standing on, so it may be that SHepard, like you proposed, just got blown around by the red tube pressure, with its remains.

Dude... The odds of that happening are almost as small as Joker crash landing on a jungle planet in the Sol system.

[MrFob]

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

Could be, as much as anything. The "rubble" shown in "Shep_alive" video contains a piece that looks like a part of the red tube structure Shepard blows up. If anything, Shepard wouldn't even survive this red tube explosion right in his face, if it contained hot gas of any kind, but clearly it doesn't seem so, because even after being engulfed in 'red fire", he still stands to shoot once more before we're shown the "red space magic ball" growing. This ball grows from a point mid-way up the COucil tower, which is on the OTHER side of the platform Shepard is standing on, so it may be that SHepard, like you proposed, just got blown around by the red tube pressure, with its remains.

Wait ... Did you just take this serious? Oh what have I done!

[Arian Dynas]

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

Could be, as much as anything. The "rubble" shown in "Shep_alive" video contains a piece that looks like a part of the red tube structure Shepard blows up. If anything, Shepard wouldn't even survive this red tube explosion right in his face, if it contained hot gas of any kind, but clearly it doesn't seem so, because even after being engulfed in 'red fire", he still stands to shoot once more before we're shown the "red space magic ball" growing. This ball grows from a point mid-way up the COucil tower, which is on the OTHER side of the platform Shepard is standing on, so it may be that SHepard, like you proposed, just got blown around by the red tube pressure, with its remains.

You're not too good with sarcasm there are ya Sparky?

EDIT: lol, ninja'd 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

Could be, as much as anything. The "rubble" shown in "Shep_alive" video contains a piece that looks like a part of the red tube structure Shepard blows up. If anything, Shepard wouldn't even survive this red tube explosion right in his face, if it contained hot gas of any kind, but clearly it doesn't seem so, because even after being engulfed in 'red fire", he still stands to shoot once more before we're shown the "red space magic ball" growing. This ball grows from a point mid-way up the COucil tower, which is on the OTHER side of the platform Shepard is standing on, so it may be that SHepard, like you proposed, just got blown around by the red tube pressure, with its remains.

Dude... The odds of that happening are almost as small as Joker crash landing on a jungle planet in the Sol system.

I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.

[MrFob]

Iconoclaste wrote...

I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.

Hey, it's the only piece of concrete we got. Might as well use it.

[Arian Dynas]

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

Could be, as much as anything. The "rubble" shown in "Shep_alive" video contains a piece that looks like a part of the red tube structure Shepard blows up. If anything, Shepard wouldn't even survive this red tube explosion right in his face, if it contained hot gas of any kind, but clearly it doesn't seem so, because even after being engulfed in 'red fire", he still stands to shoot once more before we're shown the "red space magic ball" growing. This ball grows from a point mid-way up the COucil tower, which is on the OTHER side of the platform Shepard is standing on, so it may be that SHepard, like you proposed, just got blown around by the red tube pressure, with its remains.

Dude... The odds of that happening are almost as small as Joker crash landing on a jungle planet in the Sol system.

I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.

Pardon me, I gotta go beat my head on that wall again. Poor thing's covered in blood now.

[Iconoclaste]

MrFob wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.

Hey, it's the only piece of concrete we got. Might as well use it.

Not concrete : resilient material. I don't even think that the whole Citadel is made of this "resilient material", this mostly applies to describe its hull, being able to sustain considerable damage.

[balance5050]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

Could be, as much as anything. The "rubble" shown in "Shep_alive" video contains a piece that looks like a part of the red tube structure Shepard blows up. If anything, Shepard wouldn't even survive this red tube explosion right in his face, if it contained hot gas of any kind, but clearly it doesn't seem so, because even after being engulfed in 'red fire", he still stands to shoot once more before we're shown the "red space magic ball" growing. This ball grows from a point mid-way up the COucil tower, which is on the OTHER side of the platform Shepard is standing on, so it may be that SHepard, like you proposed, just got blown around by the red tube pressure, with its remains.

Dude... The odds of that happening are almost as small as Joker crash landing on a jungle planet in the Sol system.

I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.

Pardon me, I gotta go beat my head on that wall again. Poor thing's covered in blood now.

Don't get frusterated, his logic should be a source of laughter. His attempt at "logic" is hilarious.

[Iconoclaste]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Pardon me, I gotta go beat my head on that wall again. Poor thing's covered in blood now.

Some pictures could illustrate these points easily. If I post pictures for support of these arguments, will you provide pictures of your head after the wall beating? 

[Arian Dynas]

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Here is what happened: Sheps gets blown away by the crucible tube explosion and hits one of the 1M1 pillars which are incidentally the generators and projectors for the ME fields that maintain the atmosphere in star child lair. The whole structure with Shep gets blown off and within this little pressurized ME field bubble Shep flies to on of the ward pieces that has emergency life support and everything.
At the same time, the krogan statue on the presidium is also ripped loose on the presidium and by an insane twist of fate ends up on the same vector as Shep and his pillar. The statue crashes on them, crushing the pillar and thereby exposing one of the rippled cable we saw earlier and the concrete from the statue buries Shepard who survives the whole ordeal to take a breath.

...What? I think it's the most logical chain of events.

Could be, as much as anything. The "rubble" shown in "Shep_alive" video contains a piece that looks like a part of the red tube structure Shepard blows up. If anything, Shepard wouldn't even survive this red tube explosion right in his face, if it contained hot gas of any kind, but clearly it doesn't seem so, because even after being engulfed in 'red fire", he still stands to shoot once more before we're shown the "red space magic ball" growing. This ball grows from a point mid-way up the COucil tower, which is on the OTHER side of the platform Shepard is standing on, so it may be that SHepard, like you proposed, just got blown around by the red tube pressure, with its remains.

Dude... The odds of that happening are almost as small as Joker crash landing on a jungle planet in the Sol system.

I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.

Pardon me, I gotta go beat my head on that wall again. Poor thing's covered in blood now.

Don't get frusterated, his logic should be a source of laughter. His attempt at "logic" is hilarious.

No, it's more like sex. Unhappy for everyone involved, usually ended by a headache, and someone ends up pregnant in the end.

Wait.. I think I lost track of that metaphor.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[Arian Dynas]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Pardon me, I gotta go beat my head on that wall again. Poor thing's covered in blood now.

Some pictures could illustrate these points easily. If I post pictures for support of these arguments, will you provide pictures of your head after the wall beating? 

Please don't my homeowners insurance can't take any more of your hamfisted attempts at Logos.

[noobcannon]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Sad fact: no one knows how the ending should be interpreted. The subtle hints are at least enough to craft a theory.. and it's one i indeed support. Like i said before.. i don't think they planned this from the start though... maybe they did. I def think the subtle hints are there for a reason. Yes.. some bits of "evidence" are more valid than others. The trees.. are imo.. not a valid point. However the steer away from the mass effect we knew seems to be the best I can think of. And of course.. my own opinion about the child not being real... (indoctrination or not) except for the first time.

Someone said that the options of logic are-

1. bioware planned this from the start.. but didn't correctly predict the outrage and have poorly handled PR

2. The writing went to ****... and/or they decided to go in a completely different direction in the last 10-15 minutes of the game.

which one seems better to you?

this is exactly what i've been thinking all along. if the first 99% of the game wasn't amazing, i would lean towards bad writing. but, something like indoc theory just make so much more sense.

[OdanUrr]

noobcannon wrote...

this is exactly what i've been thinking all along. if the first 99% of the game wasn't amazing, i would lean towards bad writing. but, something like indoc theory just make so much more sense.

The first 99% of the game wasn't amazing. There are many inconsistencies throughout. Throw ME2 into the mix and we have a serious problem.

[Arian Dynas]

noobcannon wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Sad fact: no one knows how the ending should be interpreted. The subtle hints are at least enough to craft a theory.. and it's one i indeed support. Like i said before.. i don't think they planned this from the start though... maybe they did. I def think the subtle hints are there for a reason. Yes.. some bits of "evidence" are more valid than others. The trees.. are imo.. not a valid point. However the steer away from the mass effect we knew seems to be the best I can think of. And of course.. my own opinion about the child not being real... (indoctrination or not) except for the first time.

Someone said that the options of logic are-

1. bioware planned this from the start.. but didn't correctly predict the outrage and have poorly handled PR

2. The writing went to ****... and/or they decided to go in a completely different direction in the last 10-15 minutes of the game.

which one seems better to you?

this is exactly what i've been thinking all along. if the first 99% of the game wasn't amazing, i would lean towards bad writing. but, something like indoc theory just make so much more sense.

I just noticed...

I was the one you were quoting, n00bsauce.

Mind. Blown.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 avril 2012 - 05:02 .

[balance5050]

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.

Hey, it's the only piece of concrete we got. Might as well use it.

Not concrete : resilient material. I don't even think that the whole Citadel is made of this "resilient material", this mostly applies to describe its hull, being able to sustain considerable damage.

Shep is lying on top of debris, he would have to have fallen down after some of it, so Shepard can withstand the same explosion that cracks material so strong that they use it for the hull?

Also, you are just assuming that they use it only for the hull, the codex says "THE CITADEL" not "THE HULL OF THE CITADEL". 

Also.. wouldn't Shep have been standing on the hull?

Modifié par balance5050, 16 avril 2012 - 05:05 .

[balance5050]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Pardon me, I gotta go beat my head on that wall again. Poor thing's covered in blood now.

Some pictures could illustrate these points easily. If I post pictures for support of these arguments, will you provide pictures of your head after the wall beating? 

Trust me, you won't show us anything we haven't already seen. But you can still give it a shot slugger!

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

The diameter of the central ring of the Citadel is 7.2 kilometers. And that explosion is farther out than the ring would be.

I used this fun/horrifying tool to see what sort of bomb would have all the explosion contained within a 10 kilometer radius and it took a 100 kiloton nuke to get all the thermal damage stuff to be 10 kilometers across. I'm fairly certain you'd be burned by the heat even some distance away from the explosion though, so I figure its probly equivalent to a bomb even bigger. But I dont really know how bombs work to be honest.


But I'm sure Shepard is fine at the center of that. It just makes good sense.

Let's put that in perspective for everyone. The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima was about 15 kilotons (equivalent to 15,000 tons of TNT). That estimate puts the blast Shepard survived at around 7 times that power.

Oh I agree, why wouldn't Shepard survive that? I surrender, IT opponents! It makes perfect sense that Shepard wouldn't be so intensely annihilated that there wouldn't even be ashes left.

OdanUrr wrote...
Let's keep explosions in space and our physics out of this. The two don't go very well hand in hand, I'm afraid.

No.

Iconoclaste wrote...

By the way, an explosion in vacuum has no pressure to fight against, so it expanses more than it would do on Earth. We cannot infer it's power from just the distance it travels. But that's not the point.

It shouldn't be, because we've seen enough space explosions in this series to know they're proportioned reasonably to how they would be on Earth.

Iconoclaste wrote...

The shockwave may have dislocated the Citadels arms, but it did not blow it to pieces. Even the center ring is still a ring. Lazy animation? Could be. But humans easily survive earthquakes that destroy buildings. They get shaken but they don't "break" because of that.

Holy ****, did you actually just compare an earthquake with an explosion measured in kilotons?!

byne wrote...

I still want to know why the chain reaction of all the Relays firing clearly begins on Earth with the Citadel, but the Galaxy Map shows the chain reaction as beginning in the (no longer existent) Viper Nebula.

Theres not even a Relay in that system.

I wonder if we'll find that out first, or why the warning sticker next to the vent the kid is in on Earth shows someone being struck in the head with a bolt, a sticker not found anywhere else in the game.

Oh right, I forgot. The answer to everything is "Bioware is lazy." Man, it's getting late. I wish BW wasn't so lazy so it'd still be early.

[Legion109]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Can you elaborate?

Must I? I mean you are taking away minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Settle down you two, dont make me turn this thread around!

Mommy Lex0r farted 

[DirtyPhoenix]

I love these IDT vs Anti-IDT debates

[Arian Dynas]

Legion109 wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Can you elaborate?

Must I? I mean you are taking away minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Settle down you two, dont make me turn this thread around!

Mommy Lex0r farted 

Leigon won't stop poking me!