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#37126
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pirate1802 wrote...

I love these IDT vs Anti-IDT debates :D


This isn't a debate, this is a goddamn war crime against common sense.

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pirate1802 wrote...

I love these IDT vs Anti-IDT debates :D


They're great, after being a believer since March 9th, I have a full understanding of the I.T., just about everything can be explained through it.

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balance5050 wrote...

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I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.


Hey, it's the only piece of concrete we got. Might as well use it.

Not concrete : resilient material. I don't even think that the whole Citadel is made of this "resilient material", this mostly applies to describe its hull, being able to sustain considerable damage.


Shep is lying on top of debris, he would have to have fallen down after some of it, so Shepard can withstand the same explosion that cracks material so strong that they use it for the hull?

Also, you are just assuming that they use it only for the hull, the codex says "THE CITADEL" not "THE HULL OF THE CITADEL". 

Also.. wouldn't Shep have been standing on the hull?


I don't know about the hull crashing on Shepard. But if we accept that the rubble around Shepard fell from above him, why are the blocks above his head breaking up and falling over him such a stretch?



EDIT : Don't answer that! I read it wrong.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 16 avril 2012 - 05:16 .


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Rifneno wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I love these IDT vs Anti-IDT debates :D


This isn't a debate, this is a goddamn war crime against common sense.


EDIT: Good taste prevailed.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 avril 2012 - 05:24 .


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balance5050 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I love these IDT vs Anti-IDT debates :D


They're great, after being a believer since March 9th, I have a full understanding of the I.T., just about everything can be explained through it.


There is no ignorance, there is IDT,

There is no passion, there is debate,

There is no troll, there is the unenlightened,

There is no space magic, there is the Indoctrination.

All answers may be found in the Force. I mean IDT.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.


Hey, it's the only piece of concrete we got. Might as well use it.

Not concrete : resilient material. I don't even think that the whole Citadel is made of this "resilient material", this mostly applies to describe its hull, being able to sustain considerable damage.


Shep is lying on top of debris, he would have to have fallen down after some of it, so Shepard can withstand the same explosion that cracks material so strong that they use it for the hull?

Also, you are just assuming that they use it only for the hull, the codex says "THE CITADEL" not "THE HULL OF THE CITADEL". 

Also.. wouldn't Shep have been standing on the hull?


I don't know about the hull crashing on Shepard. But if we accept that the rubble around Shepard fell from above him, why are the blocks above his head breaking up and falling over him such a stretch?



EDIT : Don't answer that! I read it wrong.


Wut. He's lying ON TOP of debris... 

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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.


Hey, it's the only piece of concrete we got. Might as well use it.

Not concrete : resilient material. I don't even think that the whole Citadel is made of this "resilient material", this mostly applies to describe its hull, being able to sustain considerable damage.


Shep is lying on top of debris, he would have to have fallen down after some of it, so Shepard can withstand the same explosion that cracks material so strong that they use it for the hull?

Also, you are just assuming that they use it only for the hull, the codex says "THE CITADEL" not "THE HULL OF THE CITADEL". 

Also.. wouldn't Shep have been standing on the hull?


I don't know about the hull crashing on Shepard. But if we accept that the rubble around Shepard fell from above him, why are the blocks above his head breaking up and falling over him such a stretch?



EDIT : Don't answer that! I read it wrong.


Wut. He's lying ON TOP of debris... 


See my edit.

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K we're good.

Modifié par balance5050, 16 avril 2012 - 05:28 .


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balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I love these IDT vs Anti-IDT debates :D


This isn't a debate, this is a goddamn war crime against common sense.


Can we convince them to hang themselves before they go to trial then?:bandit:


I would edit that out man, it's a little harsh, we don't need to start getting attention from the mods.

+1

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balance5050 wrote...

Wut. He's lying ON TOP of debris... 


It's tough to say from the vid actually. There is definitely debris under him/her but also all around and possibly above body parts as well. I'd say Shep is just right in the middle of the debris.


EDIT: Quoting someone and asking them to edit it out is hilarious. Why did I never think of that?

Modifié par MrFob, 16 avril 2012 - 05:25 .


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balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I love these IDT vs Anti-IDT debates :D


This isn't a debate, this is a goddamn war crime against common sense.




I would edit that out man, it's a little harsh, we don't need to start getting attention from the mods.



...


WELL IT'S A BIT LATE NOW DON'T YOU THINK? <_<

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MrFob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Wut. He's lying ON TOP of debris... 


It's tough to say from the vid actually. There is definitely debris under him/her but also all around and possibly above body parts as well. I'd say Shep is just right in the middle of the debris.


Looks like he's lying at an angle, maybe he fell on a ramp? It's a REALLY big ramp then!!

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Big G13 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I love these IDT vs Anti-IDT debates :D


This isn't a debate, this is a goddamn war crime against common sense.


Can we convince them to hang themselves before they go to trial then?:bandit:


I would edit that out man, it's a little harsh, we don't need to start getting attention from the mods.

+1

You may have a point.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

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byne wrote...

Settle down you two, dont make me turn this thread around!


Mommy Lex0r farted :D


Leigon won't stop poking me!


-pokedy poke poke- :devil:

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Clicked quote instead of edit.

Modifié par balance5050, 16 avril 2012 - 05:27 .


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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I want to point out I don't really dig the part with the statue, though.


Hey, it's the only piece of concrete we got. Might as well use it.

Not concrete : resilient material. I don't even think that the whole Citadel is made of this "resilient material", this mostly applies to describe its hull, being able to sustain considerable damage.


Shep is lying on top of debris, he would have to have fallen down after some of it, so Shepard can withstand the same explosion that cracks material so strong that they use it for the hull?

Also, you are just assuming that they use it only for the hull, the codex says "THE CITADEL" not "THE HULL OF THE CITADEL". 

Also.. wouldn't Shep have been standing on the hull?


I don't know about the hull crashing on Shepard. But if we accept that the rubble around Shepard fell from above him, why are the blocks above his head breaking up and falling over him such a stretch?



EDIT : Don't answer that! I read it wrong.


Wut. He's lying ON TOP of debris... 


Come to think of it. If you watch the scene again, Shepard is actually partially burried under rubble. His arms and legs seem to be pinned by the slabs of concrete. It's not very clear though. The cables are coming from above as well.

One thing that bugs me though. What happened to the big bright blueish light from the beam? The last scene is really dark. I haven't seen this brought up before.

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Legion109 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

byne wrote...

Settle down you two, dont make me turn this thread around!


Mommy Lex0r farted :D


Leigon won't stop poking me!


-pokedy poke poke- :devil:


I will say this. Even if IDT is proven wrong and the writers somehow defied logic, then I will still be glad to have taken part in this thread, thanks for the cameraderie guys.

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balance5050 wrote...

MrFob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Wut. He's lying ON TOP of debris... 


It's tough to say from the vid actually. There is definitely debris under him/her but also all around and possibly above body parts as well. I'd say Shep is just right in the middle of the debris.


Looks like he's lying at an angle, maybe he fell on a ramp? It's a REALLY big ramp then!!

Isn't the way to the control and destroy option placed on a ramp from the main pathway?



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EpyonX3 wrote...


Come to think of it. If you watch the scene again, Shepard is actually partially burried under rubble. His arms and legs seem to be pinned by the slabs of concrete. It's not very clear though. The cables are coming from above as well.

One thing that bugs me though. What happened to the big bright blueish light from the beam? The last scene is really dark. I haven't seen this brought up before.


He's lying in an upright angle, he must be leaning against something right?



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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

MrFob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Wut. He's lying ON TOP of debris... 


It's tough to say from the vid actually. There is definitely debris under him/her but also all around and possibly above body parts as well. I'd say Shep is just right in the middle of the debris.


Looks like he's lying at an angle, maybe he fell on a ramp? It's a REALLY big ramp then!!



Isn't the way to the control and destroy option placed on a ramp from the main pathway? 


Just like how the beam is in the bottom of a bowl shaped valley, that proves nothing.

Also, that picture seems rather well lit for the blackness of space. Lit by WHITISH-BLUE LIGHTS in fact.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 avril 2012 - 05:34 .


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We all just a bunch of ME'ER's to me (funny that seemed better in my head, I don't mean we are all Mark Meer cause that might be odd)....

EIP'S all around

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Legion109 wrote...

We all just a bunch of ME'ER's to me (funny that seemed better in my head, I don't mean we are all Mark Meer cause that might be odd)....

EIP'S all around


dafuq?

And no, I'm far sexier than Mark Meer is.  :P

#37148
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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Come to think of it. If you watch the scene again, Shepard is actually partially burried under rubble. His arms and legs seem to be pinned by the slabs of concrete. It's not very clear though. The cables are coming from above as well.

One thing that bugs me though. What happened to the big bright blueish light from the beam? The last scene is really dark. I haven't seen this brought up before.


He's lying in an upright angle, he must be leaning agains something right?





I don't think he's upright. he is slanted like you said but the angle isn't that extreme.Posted Image
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If we assume the camera is laying on a flat horizontal surface, the angle doesn't seem that large.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

MrFob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Wut. He's lying ON TOP of debris... 


It's tough to say from the vid actually. There is definitely debris under him/her but also all around and possibly above body parts as well. I'd say Shep is just right in the middle of the debris.


Looks like he's lying at an angle, maybe he fell on a ramp? It's a REALLY big ramp then!!



Isn't the way to the control and destroy option placed on a ramp from the main pathway? 


Just like how the beam is in the bottom of a bowl shaped valley, that proves nothing.


This.

The ramp on the citadel is 20yds behind him, tilted 90degrees to the left, and down from the walkway. It would be a an awkwardly precise tumble backwards to be lying like that. Or he could be on earth and blown backwards...

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Is it just me, or do things seemed to get a little more heated than usual on Sunday nights (ok, it's Sunday night where I' am - I have no clue about what time/day it is where y'all are at).

I think IT is probably true in some fashion, and I think that there is no way in hell Shepard could possibly have survived that explosion, but, really, can this discussion be had without people acting like ****s?

IT could be right or it could be wrong, nobody here knows for certain yet. Insults, immaturity and needlessly-heated arguments don't serve any useful purpose whatsoever. Since we're talking about a video game and not about whether the Holocause was a bad thing, could we please just treat each other like decent human beings?

/soapbox