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[DirtyPhoenix]

byne wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Also, has it been mentioned somewhere that she actually fell all the waythrough the atmosphere? Isn't it possible that she drifted in the atmosphere and was picked by by a ship or something?
Apologies if I'm wrong, my knowledge about the ME universe isn't the strongets.

Well, you visit the Normandy crash site and find Shepard's helmet in the wreckage down there, so I'm pretty sure she did indeed fall all the way to the ground.

Well the nthe kinetic barrier might have saved her, but still she was pretty messed up, almost dead when she was recovered. That breathing scene shows shep almost intact >_>

[slyko227]

EpyonX3 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

byne wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

byne wrote...

Master Chief's armor in Halo is strong enough for him to not only not be vaporized by re-entry, but also to survive basically unharmed, yet bullets can hurt him.

Sci-fi armor rarely makes sense

Are we talking Halo 3? 'cause Master Chief enters Earth's atmosphere via a pod.

I never saw any pod. Was that mentioned in a book or something?

Anyways, Noble 6, who had less advanced armor than Master Chief also survived re-entry. Sure, 6 got hurt a litte, but they still survived.

If memory serves it's right there when he gets rescued. But I agree that sometimes the lore isn't very consistent on what Mjolnir can or cannot endure.

It wasn't a pod. He turn on armor lock which made his suit harder and more resistent at the cost of sacrificing his mobility. When the troops found him his was stuck in one position until the lock was released. He then got up and resumed kicking butt.

also chief is behind a metal piece of armor from the ship, which you can see near his body, as for noble 6 the ship he falls from is in high atmosphere so he can lock his armor but not have to worry about re-entry, as fro shepard... i have no idea

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

OdanUrr wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok I'm going to say that I agree with everyone's concerns about Shepard surviving. I'd like an explanation as well. But Shepard has run into some phycis defying situations before. He should have been vaporized on re-entry in ME2. Some say his armor and helmet kept him from being vaporized by the plasma, but that then begs the question, How strong is Shepard's armor and why do themal bullets hurt him so easily?

Master Chief's armor in Halo is strong enough for him to not only not be vaporized by re-entry, but also to survive basically unharmed, yet bullets can hurt him.

Sci-fi armor rarely makes sense

Also, has it been mentioned somewhere that she actually fell all the waythrough the atmosphere? Isn't it possible that she drifted in the atmosphere and was picked by by a ship or something?
Apologies if I'm wrong, my knowledge about the ME universe isn't the strongets.

We actually see Shepard in ME2 burning up as he enters the planet's atmosphere.

No quote true we only see the heat line things as Shepard starts his descent, we dont see him brurning up.

And as for Master Chief and Noble 6. Master Chief indeed locked his armor to handle the descent impact, but his armor (and shields) still withstood the heat directly which is the primary thing beeing discussed here since Shepards body did not exactly handle impact in whole condition.

As for Noble 6 if you look at his back during the cutscenes leading up to his reentry he has an additional backpack like thing with the label "Reentry Kit" (or similar) so I think it is safe to assume he had come prepared for the possibility he was not going back on a ship.

The real problem here is that we dont have a number on how much heat Shepards armor can handle.

[DirtyPhoenix]

PluralAces wrote...

The ending wasnt a hallucination, it was just stupid. I could have deisgned a better ending and I have no experience in video game writing.

please go ahead and design one

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

pirate1802 wrote...

byne wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Also, has it been mentioned somewhere that she actually fell all the waythrough the atmosphere? Isn't it possible that she drifted in the atmosphere and was picked by by a ship or something?
Apologies if I'm wrong, my knowledge about the ME universe isn't the strongets.

Well, you visit the Normandy crash site and find Shepard's helmet in the wreckage down there, so I'm pretty sure she did indeed fall all the way to the ground.

Well the nthe kinetic barrier might have saved her, but still she was pretty messed up, almost dead when she was recovered. That breathing scene shows shep almost intact >_>

Shepard was dead and in pieces when he/she was found following the Normandy crash from what i could gather. The only reason Sheaprd could be revived was because the brain was relatively intact having been protected by the helmet and beyond that Shepard is mostly cloned tissue and cybernetics.

[Naugi]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

The real problem here is that we dont have a number on how much heat Shepards armor can handle.

My Shepard was weaing a visor rather than a helmet (cant remember with Manufactuer, but the one that gives increased weapon damage).

Sooooo I'm fairly sure his face would have melted on re-entry.

[SS2Dante]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok I'm going to say that I agree with everyone's concerns about Shepard surviving. I'd like an explanation as well. But Shepard has run into some phycis defying situations before. He should have been vaporized on re-entry in ME2. Some say his armor and helmet kept him from being vaporized by the plasma, but that then begs the question, How strong is Shepard's armor and why do themal bullets hurt him so easily?

Master Chief's armor in Halo is strong enough for him to not only not be vaporized by re-entry, but also to survive basically unharmed, yet bullets can hurt him.

Sci-fi armor rarely makes sense

Also, has it been mentioned somewhere that she actually fell all the waythrough the atmosphere? Isn't it possible that she drifted in the atmosphere and was picked by by a ship or something?
Apologies if I'm wrong, my knowledge about the ME universe isn't the strongets.

We actually see Shepard in ME2 burning up as he enters the planet's atmosphere.

No quote true we only see the heat line things as Shepard starts his descent, we dont see him brurning up.

And as for Master Chief and Noble 6. Master Chief indeed locked his armor to handle the descent impact, but his armor (and shields) still withstood the heat directly which is the primary thing beeing discussed here since Shepards body did not exactly handle impact in whole condition.

As for Noble 6 if you look at his back during the cutscenes leading up to his reentry he has an additional backpack like thing with the label "Reentry Kit" (or similar) so I think it is safe to assume he had come prepared for the possibility he was not going back on a ship.

The real problem here is that we dont have a number on how much heat Shepards armor can handle.

Miranda specifically states in the Sanctuary mission that Shepard could only be saved/reanimated after the reentry because she was wearing a helmet. This preserved "enough" of her brain so that they could regen the rest.

If a fully armoured and helmeted Shepard is killed from a reentry (which they essentially were) then no way a wounded, barely armoured Shepard with no helmet could survive a MASSIVE explosion and reentry.

Of course, if we take the ending literaly we already have to accept that Shepard can breathe in space, so...

Edit: dang, you beat me to the punch

Modifié par SS2Dante, 16 avril 2012 - 04:42 .

[OdanUrr]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

No quote true we only see the heat line things as Shepard starts his descent, we dont see him brurning up.

That's what I meant. It's indicative that Shepard is entering the planet's atmosphere.

[Hacedor1566]

Big Bad wrote...

Ok I'm going to say that I agree with everyone's concerns about Shepard surviving. I'd like an explanation as well. But Shepard has run into some phycis defying situations before. He should have been vaporized on re-entry in ME2. Some say his armor and helmet kept him from being vaporized by the plasma, but that then begs the question, How strong is Shepard's armor and why do themal bullets hurt him so easily?

Amh.... In ME2, Shepard has is armor and helment presured and intact. So, thanks to the armor, Shepard fells into the planet, and some rest can be rescued and "repaired" by Cerberus Lazarus project. But at the end of ME3, Shepard has no helment, and her armor is destroyed, even (possibly) partly melted with her own body. So... That's not an armor any more. 

And the bullets, and the weapons, are made for hit and destroy any kind of armor, specially if everybody in the galaxy has combat armors. It's like a kevlar armor of the modern soldiers. It can resist some impacts, but not all of them. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Naugi wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

The real problem here is that we dont have a number on how much heat Shepards armor can handle.

My Shepard was weaing a visor rather than a helmet (cant remember with Manufactuer, but the one that gives increased weapon damage).

Sooooo I'm fairly sure his face would have melted on re-entry.

Eh we are talking about the start of ME2 and I am pretty sure Shepard puts on pre set armor in the clip leading up to the gameplay parts of the start and there is no way to change that armor in the start part of the game.

[byne]

pirate1802 wrote...

PluralAces wrote...

The ending wasnt a hallucination, it was just stupid. I could have deisgned a better ending and I have no experience in video game writing.

please go ahead and design one

If you assume IT isnt true its easy to come up with an ending better than the current one.

Here's one I came up with a few weeks ago after spending less than 5 minutes thinking about it:

• You get the Crucible attached to the Citadel.
• For some reason it fails to fire
• Hackett, Shepard, and Anderson meet to discuss what to do now
• Decide to do something similar to the project base in Arrival
• Either attach thrusters to an asteroid or just tow  it with some of the ships they have
• Rest of the fleets retreat through the Relay
• Asteroid hits the Charon Relay, causing it to explode and destroy the Sol System, as well as the majority of the Reaper forces
• Use the huge fleet you still have to mop up the remaining Reapers in other systems
• Victory through sacrifice, just like Casey said the theme of ME3 was going to be

Its really not that hard.

Modifié par byne, 16 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[Big G13]

I'm just throwing this out there again for anyone that might be interested,
Forbes article dated April 13th, HEADLINE,
"Bioware Falsely Advertised Mass Effect 3, Says Better Business Bureau"
EDIT:
http://www.forbes.co...usiness-bureau/

Modifié par Big G13, 16 avril 2012 - 04:55 .

[daviddata1]

I don't know if this is mentioned earlier. But After Anderson dies and Admiral Hackett says to Shepard that nothing is happening. Shepards voice and breathing are out of sync when he answered. Like its all in his head.

Sorry for my bad English.

[ExtendedCut]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Naugi wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

The real problem here is that we dont have a number on how much heat Shepards armor can handle.

My Shepard was weaing a visor rather than a helmet (cant remember with Manufactuer, but the one that gives increased weapon damage).

Sooooo I'm fairly sure his face would have melted on re-entry.

Eh we are talking about the start of ME2 and I am pretty sure Shepard puts on pre set armor in the clip leading up to the gameplay parts of the start and there is no way to change that armor in the start part of the game.

So, is it poor/hurried writing from Bioware, indication of IT, or just a complete coincidence that the beginning of ME2 and the end of ME3 are the only times that Shephard's armor is generic (i.e. it looks the same no matter what you did previously or what choices you have made)?

[DirtyPhoenix]

Big G13 wrote...

I'm just throwing this out there again for anyone that might be interested,
Forbes article dated April 13th, HEADLINE,
"Bioware Falsely Advertised Mass Effect 3, Says Better Business Bureau"
EDIT:
http://www.forbes.co...usiness-bureau/

Thats good news.

[Golferguy758]

@david

At that scene the voices are unsynced. You can hear him grunting from exertion and before the grunt finishes you hear shepard start responding to hackett.

but I guess the sound guys got lazy too. Even though sound designers tend to be neurotic when iut comes to having sound match up to other sounds. And NEVER overlap dialogue with sounds especially from the same person.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Just wondering about one thing. On the Citadel, Shep and Anderson talk about how people get beamed up there to be processed into a reaper.
But the datapad we find earlier says something like "when they come back from the beam, they're not the same anymore".
So why should anyone come back from the beam if they've been processed.

[daviddata1]

 @Golferguy758  
Yea. I'm crossing my fingers for them NOT being lazy^^

Modifié par daviddata1, 16 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[n00bsauce2010]

Golferguy758 wrote...

@david

At that scene the voices are unsynced. You can hear him grunting from exertion and before the grunt finishes you hear shepard start responding to hackett.

but I guess the sound guys got lazy too. Even though sound designers tend to be neurotic when iut comes to having sound match up to other sounds. And NEVER overlap dialogue with sounds especially from the same person.

C'mon! it was bad writing and poor design! (j/k)

[lex0r11]

Hai guys. Just checking in.

[EpyonX3]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just wondering about one thing. On the Citadel, Shep and Anderson talk about how people get beamed up there to be processed into a reaper.
But the datapad we find earlier says something like "when they come back from the beam, they're not the same anymore".
So why should anyone come back from the beam if they've been processed.

Some are turned into husks probably. They do still need ground forces in the meantime.

[mwpruett]

What if Shepad wakes up...
in the Citadel rubble from Mass Effect 1 (after the Mako crashing) and Mass Effect 2 and 3 were just really long dreams? =O

[Golferguy758]

@noob
yup! everyone wa lazy. In fact sound guys were so lazy thety did more work to sync up hale, meer, and starkid voices into one ethereal mix tape instead of just using starkid's voice and altering pitch and resonance.


wait...what?

[Naugi]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eh we are talking about the start of ME2 ...

Err, yes, as a way to establish Shepards chances of surviving re-entry to earth in ME3 if he did fall from the Citadel back down to earth ...

This is an ME3 thread ... I think you lost the plot somewhere (you're not Casey Hudson are you?)

Modifié par Naugi, 16 avril 2012 - 05:21 .

[byne]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just wondering about one thing. On the Citadel, Shep and Anderson talk about how people get beamed up there to be processed into a reaper.
But the datapad we find earlier says something like "when they come back from the beam, they're not the same anymore".
So why should anyone come back from the beam if they've been processed.

Also, why set up a beam that leads to the heart of your operation anyways?

Its mentioned in the codex that the Reapers have special ships specifically for processing people for their DNA, theres no reason to set up a beam to send them to the Citadel and process them there.

Even if you wanted to take the processed goo of the people to the Citadel, just use one of those ships to securely take them there instead of setting up a beam that, if anyone manages to breach the defenses of, will totally screw you.

You never see any Reaper fetus on the Citadel, so clearly they're just sending people there to start processing them, and are not yet even working on building a new Reaper.

It'd be like if you had an ice cream truck, but got in it and drove to the store to get ice cream, when you already have a truck capable of giving you ice cream.

Also theres a door in your neighbor's house that leads to the office of the ice cream company's CEO, just because.

...I'm pretty sure that metaphor got away from me around the time I started thinking about ice cream...