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t was a tweet from jessica who clarified it by saying it was what she believed and thought.

So no. it was not debunked by that even though the people who hate IT tried using that even after saying she can't be used when she says something that gives credence to the theory

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EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Turran wrote...

Guys, just saying, didn't a writer/voice actor or someone at Bioware over a tweet, basically say "When Shepard wakes up he is on the Citadel"

..Which sort of de-bunks the entire theory. Be nice to hear back.


It was 'believe'. Someone might link you to the tweet.


Not sure if he's referring to Jessica. She states that Shepard is on the Citadel and reentry didn't happen. She then clarified in another post saying "She believes" shepard is on the Citadel.


She seems to be the one who is being "prescriptive" about the endings. Something Bioware said they weren't doing.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Turran wrote...

Guys, just saying, didn't a writer/voice actor or someone at Bioware over a tweet, basically say "When Shepard wakes up he is on the Citadel"

..Which sort of de-bunks the entire theory. Be nice to hear back.


It was 'believe'. Someone might link you to the tweet.


Not sure if he's referring to Jessica. She states that Shepard is on the Citadel and reentry didn't happen. She then clarified in another post saying "She believes" shepard is on the Citadel.


Jessica is also not a dev, which, as the anti-IT people are quick to point out every time she says something that seems to support IT, means she doesnt actually know any of the behind the scenes stuff of whats going into the DLC.

They conveniently forget that though and declare anything she says that seems to go against IT to be the Word of God.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Turran wrote...

Guys, just saying, didn't a writer/voice actor or someone at Bioware over a tweet, basically say "When Shepard wakes up he is on the Citadel"

..Which sort of de-bunks the entire theory. Be nice to hear back.


It was 'believe'. Someone might link you to the tweet.


Not sure if he's referring to Jessica. She states that Shepard is on the Citadel and reentry didn't happen. She then clarified in another post saying "She believes" shepard is on the Citadel.


So someone find that tweet from that writer/voice actor/someone from Bioware.

De-bunks everywhere people.

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Okay, brace yourselves for the stupidest question of them all..

How can I open .bik files? There are videos in the game folder with nice names, and I would like to investigate them.

For instance:
Shepard_alive_fem.bik
end_londonbluegood.bik
end_londonbluebad.bik
bunch of vids named "flashback"

and so on...

#37431
EpyonX3

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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

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Well, you could say that the only important persons that really got close to the Reapers (except the Crew) are Saren, TIM and of course Shepard.

Saren tried to do Synthesis.
TIM wanted to Control them.
Shepard.. well....


oh... nice I hadn't thought of it that way... NICE.

Saren failed, TIM failed... dont follow into their footsteps, wink wink wink :P


But why did they fail? Because Shepard, the untatinted one, stopped them.


They failed because they allowed themselves to give in to indoctrination. They could have had a better shot at victory if they aligned themselves with Shep who wants to "destroy" the reapers.


Leaving Shepard no choice but to stop their plans. At some point they did believe they were doing the right thing. Part of it was the brain washing but in the case of TIM seemed to have had a much better grip on it than Saren.

If TIM's obsession of controlling the reapers were a product of the reapers, why did they go after his research on Sanctuary? If they had so much control over him the experiments would have never happened.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Turran wrote...

Guys, just saying, didn't a writer/voice actor or someone at Bioware over a tweet, basically say "When Shepard wakes up he is on the Citadel"

..Which sort of de-bunks the entire theory. Be nice to hear back.


It was 'believe'. Someone might link you to the tweet.


Not sure if he's referring to Jessica. She states that Shepard is on the Citadel and reentry didn't happen. She then clarified in another post saying "She believes" shepard is on the Citadel.


She also stated she has several ME saves and that one is indoctrination and one is literal :P So no help there :P

Modifié par SS2Dante, 16 avril 2012 - 07:37 .


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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Turran wrote...

Guys, just saying, didn't a writer/voice actor or someone at Bioware over a tweet, basically say "When Shepard wakes up he is on the Citadel"

..Which sort of de-bunks the entire theory. Be nice to hear back.


It was 'believe'. Someone might link you to the tweet.


Not sure if he's referring to Jessica. She states that Shepard is on the Citadel and reentry didn't happen. She then clarified in another post saying "She believes" shepard is on the Citadel.


Jessica is also not a dev, which, as the anti-IT people are quick to point out every time she says something that seems to support IT, means she doesnt actually know any of the behind the scenes stuff of whats going into the DLC.

They conveniently forget that though and declare anything she says that seems to go against IT to be the Word of God.


This is true. However, I've seen theorists do the same when she posts something pro-IT.

Honestly, I'd like to see that writter/voice actor tweet. It'll be more concrete than Jessica.

#37434
EpyonX3

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SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Turran wrote...

Guys, just saying, didn't a writer/voice actor or someone at Bioware over a tweet, basically say "When Shepard wakes up he is on the Citadel"

..Which sort of de-bunks the entire theory. Be nice to hear back.


It was 'believe'. Someone might link you to the tweet.


Not sure if he's referring to Jessica. She states that Shepard is on the Citadel and reentry didn't happen. She then clarified in another post saying "She believes" shepard is on the Citadel.


She also stated she has several ME saves and that one is indoctrination and one is literal :P So no help there :P


I know. Which leasd me to believe that she's just trying to keep the conversation going regardless of IT being tru or not.

#37435
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SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Turran wrote...

Guys, just saying, didn't a writer/voice actor or someone at Bioware over a tweet, basically say "When Shepard wakes up he is on the Citadel"

..Which sort of de-bunks the entire theory. Be nice to hear back.


It was 'believe'. Someone might link you to the tweet.


Not sure if he's referring to Jessica. She states that Shepard is on the Citadel and reentry didn't happen. She then clarified in another post saying "She believes" shepard is on the Citadel.


She also stated she has several ME saves and that one is indoctrination and one is literal :P So no help there :P


Ah right! Thanks everyone for clearing that up (Especially as I had forgotton who had said it). Keep on speculating :)

#37436
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KneeTheCap wrote...

Okay, brace yourselves for the stupidest question of them all..

How can I open .bik files? There are videos in the game folder with nice names, and I would like to investigate them.

For instance:
Shepard_alive_fem.bik
end_londonbluegood.bik
end_londonbluebad.bik
bunch of vids named "flashback"

and so on...


http://www.radgameto...com/bnkdown.htm

Download and install the rad tools.

After that you can double click to open them.

#37437
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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...


Well, you could say that the only important persons that really got close to the Reapers (except the Crew) are Saren, TIM and of course Shepard.

Saren tried to do Synthesis.
TIM wanted to Control them.
Shepard.. well....


oh... nice I hadn't thought of it that way... NICE.

Saren failed, TIM failed... dont follow into their footsteps, wink wink wink :P


But why did they fail? Because Shepard, the untatinted one, stopped them.


They failed because they allowed themselves to give in to indoctrination. They could have had a better shot at victory if they aligned themselves with Shep who wants to "destroy" the reapers.


Leaving Shepard no choice but to stop their plans. At some point they did believe they were doing the right thing. Part of it was the brain washing but in the case of TIM seemed to have had a much better grip on it than Saren.

If TIM's obsession of controlling the reapers were a product of the reapers, why did they go after his research on Sanctuary? If they had so much control over him the experiments would have never happened.



There is a faction who thinks they can control the reapers in just about every cycle (or at least the previous cycle) That is not an accident, TIM started thinking he could control the reapers back in the First Contact war, that "idea" was all the influence the reapers needed on TIM.

They attacked Cerberus because
A. TIM was getting to close to controlling husks,
B. When TIM found the plans for the crucible and warned the reapers, Cerberus was no longer useful.

But instead of killing TIM, they tightened the grip of indoc in order to further influence Shepard, or he might already be dead.

#37438
SS2Dante

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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...


Well, you could say that the only important persons that really got close to the Reapers (except the Crew) are Saren, TIM and of course Shepard.

Saren tried to do Synthesis.
TIM wanted to Control them.
Shepard.. well....


oh... nice I hadn't thought of it that way... NICE.

Saren failed, TIM failed... dont follow into their footsteps, wink wink wink :P


But why did they fail? Because Shepard, the untatinted one, stopped them.


They failed because they allowed themselves to give in to indoctrination. They could have had a better shot at victory if they aligned themselves with Shep who wants to "destroy" the reapers.


Leaving Shepard no choice but to stop their plans. At some point they did believe they were doing the right thing. Part of it was the brain washing but in the case of TIM seemed to have had a much better grip on it than Saren.

If TIM's obsession of controlling the reapers were a product of the reapers, why did they go after his research on Sanctuary? If they had so much control over him the experiments would have never happened.



I don't think they ever did have control over TIM, he's just indoctrinated enough that he thinks he's doing the right thing. 

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So, this is completely off-topic, but I got bored and made my character look like this in multiplayer:

Posted Image

Am I a bad person for hosting matches and specifying the enemy as Cerberus, for the sole purpose of scaring my teammates?

Not that I care. Its too fun to stop :D

#37440
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I just realised that the Reaper on Rannoch said that ALL organic civilisations must be harvested to bring order to the chaos, whereas Godchild states that they only harvest the advanced civilisations.
Nothing big, probably just a little inaccuracy.

#37441
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byne wrote...

So, this is completely off-topic, but I got bored and made my character look like this in multiplayer:

Posted Image

Am I a bad person for hosting matches and specifying the enemy as Cerberus, for the sole purpose of scaring my teammates?

Not that I care. Its too fun to stop :D


That's hilarious, good thing there's no friendly fire!;)

#37442
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EpyonX3 wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

Okay, brace yourselves for the stupidest question of them all..

How can I open .bik files? There are videos in the game folder with nice names, and I would like to investigate them.

For instance:
Shepard_alive_fem.bik
end_londonbluegood.bik
end_londonbluebad.bik
bunch of vids named "flashback"

and so on...


http://www.radgameto...com/bnkdown.htm

Download and install the rad tools.

After that you can double click to open them.


You can't fault them for labelling, at least :P Nice and clear names.

#37443
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byne wrote...

So, this is completely off-topic, but I got bored and made my character look like this in multiplayer:

*image snipped*

Am I a bad person for hosting matches and specifying the enemy as Cerberus, for the sole purpose of scaring my teammates?

Not that I care. Its too fun to stop :D


Nice idea. I'm still working on getting a geth trooper unlocked. I want to say "cover this one!" too. <_<

#37444
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KneeTheCap wrote...

Okay, brace yourselves for the stupidest question of them all..

How can I open .bik files? There are videos in the game folder with nice names, and I would like to investigate them.

For instance:
Shepard_alive_fem.bik
end_londonbluegood.bik
end_londonbluebad.bik
bunch of vids named "flashback"

and so on...


Download RAD tools :D
http://www.radgameto...com/bnkdown.htm

EDIT: Too late :S

Modifié par pirate1802, 16 avril 2012 - 07:50 .


#37445
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SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

Okay, brace yourselves for the stupidest question of them all..

How can I open .bik files? There are videos in the game folder with nice names, and I would like to investigate them.

For instance:
Shepard_alive_fem.bik
end_londonbluegood.bik
end_londonbluebad.bik
bunch of vids named "flashback"

and so on...


http://www.radgameto...com/bnkdown.htm

Download and install the rad tools.

After that you can double click to open them.


You can't fault them for labelling, at least :P Nice and clear names.


But they get mad if we call them red, blue, and green endings.

#37446
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lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

So, this is completely off-topic, but I got bored and made my character look like this in multiplayer:

*image snipped*

Am I a bad person for hosting matches and specifying the enemy as Cerberus, for the sole purpose of scaring my teammates?

Not that I care. Its too fun to stop :D


Nice idea. I'm still working on getting a geth trooper unlocked. I want to say "cover this one!" too. <_<


Yeah, that one always makes me laugh. My geth apparently thinks he's a hanar.

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SirLugash wrote...

I just realised that the Reaper on Rannoch said that ALL organic civilisations must be harvested to bring order to the chaos, whereas Godchild states that they only harvest the advanced civilisations.
Nothing big, probably just a little inaccuracy.


That's a very good point against casper. He is indeed not telling the truth, other examples:
- Shepard will die if she chose 'Destroy'. Contradicted by Shep's breathing scene
- Synthetics will always rebell against organics. Contradicted if you saved both Quarians and Geth.

#37448
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byne wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

Okay, brace yourselves for the stupidest question of them all..

How can I open .bik files? There are videos in the game folder with nice names, and I would like to investigate them.

For instance:
Shepard_alive_fem.bik
end_londonbluegood.bik
end_londonbluebad.bik
bunch of vids named "flashback"

and so on...


http://www.radgameto...com/bnkdown.htm

Download and install the rad tools.

After that you can double click to open them.


You can't fault them for labelling, at least :P Nice and clear names.


But they get mad if we call them red, blue, and green endings.


Ok, I'm usually 100% behind the developers, but that made me laugh. A lot :P

#37449
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byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

So, this is completely off-topic, but I got bored and made my character look like this in multiplayer:

*image snipped*

Am I a bad person for hosting matches and specifying the enemy as Cerberus, for the sole purpose of scaring my teammates?

Not that I care. Its too fun to stop :D


Nice idea. I'm still working on getting a geth trooper unlocked. I want to say "cover this one!" too. <_<


Yeah, that one always makes me laugh. My geth apparently thinks he's a hanar.


Blasto DLC is SO happening. Quadruple wielding through gold solo like it was nothing.

#37450
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lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

So, this is completely off-topic, but I got bored and made my character look like this in multiplayer:

*image snipped*

Am I a bad person for hosting matches and specifying the enemy as Cerberus, for the sole purpose of scaring my teammates?

Not that I care. Its too fun to stop :D


Nice idea. I'm still working on getting a geth trooper unlocked. I want to say "cover this one!" too. <_<


Yeah, that one always makes me laugh. My geth apparently thinks he's a hanar.


Blasto DLC is SO happening. Quadruple wielding through gold solo like it was nothing.


Blasto isnt limited to quadruple wielding.

Speaking of Blasto, I was playing that infiltrator game on the ipad, and two cerberus troops that were patrolling were talking, and one was all 'Man, I hope Blasto doesnt show up!' and the other one was like 'You dont actually think he's real, do you?'