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Voodzik wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

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Voodzik wrote...

@byne....did you notice the shadows?

Every other shadow in the room is going away from the beam of light. Except shepherds. That one is pointing TOWARDS it. What's up with that?

:huh:...:blink:
Daaamn!
Follow-up question: When Shep talks to TIM and Anderson, what about their shadows?

Bioware was lazy. Solves every problem. you could even call it magic...from space...

Except not this one. (yes, I know you're joking.) but really, evidence like this is the kind of thing that makes me believe IT. Like the magic pedestal shep and Anderson are lying on at the end and shep's inexplicable roving wound. Stuff theyhad to do EXTRA  work for.


Indeed. The continuity errors, strange detail, and all around weirdness of the ending scene just seems screams "things aren't what they seem!"  

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Voodzik wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Voodzik wrote...

@byne....did you notice the shadows?

Every other shadow in the room is going away from the beam of light. Except shepherds. That one is pointing TOWARDS it. What's up with that?

:huh:...:blink:
Daaamn!
Follow-up question: When Shep talks to TIM and Anderson, what about their shadows?

Bioware was lazy. Solves every problem. you could even call it magic...from space...

Except not this one. (yes, I know you're joking.) but really, evidence like this is the kind of thing that makes me believe IT. Like the magic pedestal shep and Anderson are lying on at the end and shep's inexplicable roving wound. Stuff theyhad to do EXTRA  work for.


Again, if this is in reference to the Crucible, the shadow doesn't always point to the beam, the lighting is just really odd in the room. 

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Drago6667 wrote...

OH man

creepy


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But yeah, those dreams would **** me up too.

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I just read in another thread that if you do not play arrival, it comes up in the codex that a special ops team blew up the alpha relay .

If this is correct unfortunately this takes away object rho as the canon start of Shepards Indoctrination.

I was under the impression till now that Shepard had completed arrival and encountered object rho whether you actually played arrival or not.


There is no canon, but if there was it would include all the DLC.


Actually there IS canon, which is why the ME3 explanations for things are actually discounted, since they require Shepard to not actually have been Shepard during the events of ME1 and 2.

What IS "canon" is there is a human being named Shepard, potentially either named John (the default) or Jane, whom was either born on Earth (and going by the default, was) born in space, or born on an outworld colony attacked by Batarians.

Shepard either was a war hero on Mindoir, survived the destruction of his unit on Akuze (once again, the default) or was a vicious butcher on Torfan.

Shepard visited Eden Prime and was chosen by the Beacon to receive it's message.

Shepard was selected to be the first human spectre and sent to deal with Saren Arterius, a rogue agent.

Shepard was accompanied by Urdnot Wrex, whom possibly died on Virmire, being succeeded by his brother Wreav, or survived to lead the Krogan.

S/He was also in the company of former C-Sec officer Garrus Vakarian, Tali'Zorah nar Rayya, whom he helped complete her pilgrimage, Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams, who either died on Virmire, or survived to rise in the ranks of the Alliance military, Lt. Kaiden Alenko, whom also either died or raised in the ranks, and Dr. Liara T'soni, whom eventually became the Shadow Broker.

Shepard visited Feros and recovered the Cipher, Visited Noveria and either released the Rachni Queen (the default) or killed her.

Shepard visited Virmire and destroyed Saren's base. Shepard then found the conduit on Illos and met Vigil.

Shepard then returned to the Citadel and either, convinced Saren to commit suicide, or killed him in combat, Soverign was killed as a result of these actions and the council was either saved (the default) or killed and replaced with an all human council, which was eventually superseded by a later council of several races.

Shepard then chose one representative for humanity, who was either Udina, or Anderson, whom would eventually step down from his post and be replaced by Udina in the end.

Shepard was then sent on a mission into Geth space and was killed by the Collectors, the Normandy destroyed. Shepard gathered a team consisting of Mordin Solus, Garrus Vakarian, Miranda Lawson, Jacob Taylor, Thane Krios, and potentially Urdnot Grunt, Leigon, Zaeed Massani, Kasumi Goto, Samara the Justicar or Morinth. Any of whom could die on the suicide mission.

The Alpha relay was destroyed, and Shepard turned himself/herself in for his crimes.

One way or another, there IS canon in Mass Effect.


Well, there is the core story line... but there are still deviating paths.

You're absolutely right though, there are thing that did and didn't happen for the... "alpha" or "ultimate" Shepard if you will. "The Arrival" definitely happened.

About the Arrival, Harbinger appears to you in holograghic form without the use of a computer comm thing. It was at the end on the surface of the asteroid. Is that explained anywhere??

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lex0r11 wrote...

Drago6667 wrote...

OH man

creepy


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But yeah, those dreams would **** me up too.


How many of those pics do you have?
Or do you just make them up on the spot?

But yeah, I'm am glad MY dreams aren't like that.
Edit: Spelling

Modifié par Drago6667, 17 avril 2012 - 01:08 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

I just read in another thread that if you do not play arrival, it comes up in the codex that a special ops team blew up the alpha relay .

If this is correct unfortunately this takes away object rho as the canon start of Shepards Indoctrination.

I was under the impression till now that Shepard had completed arrival and encountered object rho whether you actually played arrival or not.


Which is why the derelict Reaper, Reaper Fetus and Harbinger himself are a considerably more obvious start. Object Rho which IS still canon, they just wrote that other stuff in so newbies wouldn't feel left out, is far more booster, than it is starter.

Think I'll view it as a booster to the theory as well now. 

Ill 

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Drago6667 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Drago6667 wrote...

OH man

creepy


*image snipped*

But yeah, those dreams would **** me up too.


How many of those pics do you have?
Or do you just make them up on the spot?

But yeah, I'm am glad MY dreams aren't like that.
Edit: Spelling


I made some of them, this one i found in another thread here.

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Quick guys, I'm doing my worst possible import from ME2.

Do I save the geth or the quarians?

Dont let Tali influence your choice, she got a rocket to the face in ME2 in this import.

First response chooses the genocide!

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byne wrote...

Quick guys, I'm doing my worst possible import from ME2.

Do I save the geth or the quarians?

Dont let Tali influence your choice, she got a rocket to the face in ME2 in this import.

First response chooses the genocide!


I could never make that choice. :/

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Okay, take the geth.

Modifié par lex0r11, 17 avril 2012 - 01:21 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

Quick guys, I'm doing my worst possible import from ME2.

Do I save the geth or the quarians?

Dont let Tali influence your choice, she got a rocket to the face in ME2 in this import.

First response chooses the genocide!


I could never make that choice. :/

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Dont worry  about Legion, he's dead too.

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In that case kill the Geth.

If you've been a heartless cruel bastard in 2 and now 3, there's no reason to think you're gonna like the geth now after your sprees in 1.

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Edited Geth as my choice.

*cover this one*

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Golferguy758 wrote...

byne wrote...

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Anybody else see an overturned Mako in the background?


Yeah, that does look like a Mako. Also, to link a pic from the first page:

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Gee, I wonder where Shepard is? 


Ooo oo I know this! Ummm...  It's oh man, I'm so nervous. It's umm... Mars! Wait, no, Thessia!


WOW. Look at those comparison shots.....I love it. Just look how the beam on Earth and the Citadel are presented, a beam of light somewhat encircled on both sides.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Edited Geth as my choice.

*cover this one*


Your choice for me to kill or to save?

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Save the geth, kind of goes nicely with the worst possible playthrough.

Modifié par lex0r11, 17 avril 2012 - 01:27 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

Save the geth, kind of goes along the way with the worst possible playthrough.


Yeah, thats a good idea. I'll choose destroy too, that way I'll lose them as well at the end! :D


My god, I'm a horrible person.

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I like how I was skipped over completely.

But yeah, what he said.

Also, the lowest-tier EMS rank is determined by your choice over the Collector base. Saving it means no destroy option, only control. Opposite for destroying the base.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 17 avril 2012 - 01:29 .


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Simon_Says wrote...

I like how I was skipped over completely.

But yeah, what he said.


Well, he responded first.

Also, I didnt respond because you mistakenly assumed I had been heartless and cruel to the geth. Just because Legion couldnt handle leading the second fire team doesnt mean I was a jerk to him.

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I just can't stop.

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byne wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

I like how I was skipped over completely.

But yeah, what he said.


Well, he responded first.

Also, I didnt respond because you mistakenly assumed I had been heartless and cruel to the geth. Just because Legion couldnt handle leading the second fire team doesnt mean I was a jerk to him.


Legion died from a shot to the gut?  ...  But... there was a hole.

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I would just like to say Holo-Legion is nowhere near as cool as actual Legion.

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It's as clear as I can make it. Can you guys make it out?

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Where has GBGriffin been lately? is that his name?

I must summon the troll.

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Also these look like reaper cables. I can't see it being rebar.