Aller au contenu

Photo

Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


57139 réponses à ce sujet

#37651
n00bsauce2010

n00bsauce2010
  • Members
  • 769 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...



I don't see what you're seeing. 

#37652
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

Drago6667 wrote...

OH man

creepy


These are the whispers in the dream sequences. How are these reaper suggestions?

#37653
lex0r11

lex0r11
  • Members
  • 2 190 messages
Now you've done it n00bsauce. I hope he isn't in a foul mood.

#37654
llbountyhunter

llbountyhunter
  • Members
  • 1 646 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

Posted Image

Posted Image

It's as clear as I can make it. Can you guys make it out?



im not really seeing the comparison....

#37655
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

lex0r11 wrote...

Now you've done it n00bsauce. I hope he isn't in a foul mood.


Never. It's ok if he disagrees. It's hard to make out.

#37656
Arian Dynas

Arian Dynas
  • Members
  • 3 799 messages

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

Quick guys, I'm doing my worst possible import from ME2.

Do I save the geth or the quarians?

Dont let Tali influence your choice, she got a rocket to the face in ME2 in this import.

First response chooses the genocide!


I could never make that choice. :/




Dont worry  about Legion, he's dead too.


Didja do loyalty missions? If you destroyed the heretics, take the geth, since there's less of them.
If you didn't, take the Quarians, snce there's less of them then.

#37657
byne

byne
  • Members
  • 7 813 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

Drago6667 wrote...

OH man

creepy


These are the whispers in the dream sequences. How are these reaper suggestions?


He didnt say they were, you did. ;)

#37658
n00bsauce2010

n00bsauce2010
  • Members
  • 769 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

Posted Image

Also these look like reaper cables. I can't see it being rebar.


Keep in mind that these textures are at a much higher res. If it is indeed rebar then we're seeing it at a high res texture.. the other rebar found throughout the Earth mission is extremely low res.

#37659
n00bsauce2010

n00bsauce2010
  • Members
  • 769 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Now you've done it n00bsauce. I hope he isn't in a foul mood.


Never. It's ok if he disagrees. It's hard to make out.


I think he is referring to my recent Cast Troll summon: GBGriffin spell.

#37660
lex0r11

lex0r11
  • Members
  • 2 190 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Now you've done it n00bsauce. I hope he isn't in a foul mood.


Never. It's ok if he disagrees. It's hard to make out.


I like that guy.
Actually made one motivational he liked and saved for later use.

edit
nevermind the misunderstanding.

Modifié par lex0r11, 17 avril 2012 - 01:50 .


#37661
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Drago6667 wrote...

OH man

creepy


These are the whispers in the dream sequences. How are these reaper suggestions?


He didnt say they were, you did. ;)


Oh I'm not saying he did. My apologies. I'm just asking. I've had people tell me that each dream and its whispers are attempts to give shepard suggestions and get him indoctrinated. But those whispers don't suggest anything, they're just recolections of the past.

#37662
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Now you've done it n00bsauce. I hope he isn't in a foul mood.


Never. It's ok if he disagrees. It's hard to make out.


I think he is referring to my recent Cast Troll summon: GBGriffin spell.




Oh sry. My mistake.

#37663
Arian Dynas

Arian Dynas
  • Members
  • 3 799 messages
These photos mean nothing. There literally is no comparison here.

#37664
balance5050

balance5050
  • Members
  • 5 245 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

Posted Image

Posted Image

It's as clear as I can make it. Can you guys make it out?


Hmm.. looks similar, but it's not EXACTLY the same. In the dark area it looks like verticle line lines on the citadel, and horizontal on the Shep alive pic. And on the Citadel there is no separation between those two dark rectangles, in the Shepa alive scene the IS a separation, it doesn't look like the exact same asset.

#37665
Golferguy758

Golferguy758
  • Members
  • 1 136 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Drago6667 wrote...

OH man

creepy


These are the whispers in the dream sequences. How are these reaper suggestions?


He didnt say they were, you did. ;)


Oh I'm not saying he did. My apologies. I'm just asking. I've had people tell me that each dream and its whispers are attempts to give shepard suggestions and get him indoctrinated. But those whispers don't suggest anything, they're just recolections of the past.

Didn't look at that video, but I can take a stab at what it entails.

I think the whispers most people refer to when talking about the dreams are the ones you can't make out. The ones that get louder the as time goes on. Whispers that you can't understand are symptoms of indoctrination.

#37666
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Posted Image

Also these look like reaper cables. I can't see it being rebar.


Keep in mind that these textures are at a much higher res. If it is indeed rebar then we're seeing it at a high res texture.. the other rebar found throughout the Earth mission is extremely low res.




Rebar shouldn't really be that close to each other. They aren't even that close in the earth shots. Plus, they resemble these cables better

Posted Image

#37667
Rifneno

Rifneno
  • Members
  • 12 076 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

Posted Image

Posted Image

It's as clear as I can make it. Can you guys make it out?


I can see a vague shape that might be the rectangular vents.  I do not, however, see anything that would let a human survive an explosion equivalent to one hundred thousand tons of TNT.

#37668
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

Golferguy758 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Drago6667 wrote...

OH man

creepy


These are the whispers in the dream sequences. How are these reaper suggestions?


He didnt say they were, you did. ;)


Oh I'm not saying he did. My apologies. I'm just asking. I've had people tell me that each dream and its whispers are attempts to give shepard suggestions and get him indoctrinated. But those whispers don't suggest anything, they're just recolections of the past.

Didn't look at that video, but I can take a stab at what it entails.

I think the whispers most people refer to when talking about the dreams are the ones you can't make out. The ones that get louder the as time goes on. Whispers that you can't understand are symptoms of indoctrination.


Ahh fair enough. I see those as Shepard's guilt for letting so many people die on earth while he plays politics around the galaxy.

#37669
balance5050

balance5050
  • Members
  • 5 245 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

snip

Also these look like reaper cables. I can't see it being rebar.


Keep in mind that these textures are at a much higher res. If it is indeed rebar then we're seeing it at a high res texture.. the other rebar found throughout the Earth mission is extremely low res.




Rebar shouldn't really be that close to each other. They aren't even that close in the earth shots. Plus, they resemble these cables better

snip





The problem with these are they are not the EXACT same cable... The separation between metal segments is wider in the Shep alive scene.

Modifié par balance5050, 17 avril 2012 - 01:56 .


#37670
KneeTheCap

KneeTheCap
  • Members
  • 580 messages

balance5050 wrote...

 
Posted Image

Ccopying to compare easier. 


It actually does look like one..

Isn't there an overturned mako at Shep's right when s/he wakes up after the beam? Is it in any way similar to this?

#37671
n00bsauce2010

n00bsauce2010
  • Members
  • 769 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...





The problem I have with it is that the "cables" are sticking straight up.. when everywhere else they're curved.. or bent. Rebar IMO is the only thing that would be sticking straight up. And the closeup of the cables inside the citadel compared to the breath scene don't really match.

#37672
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

snip

Also these look like reaper cables. I can't see it being rebar.


Keep in mind that these textures are at a much higher res. If it is indeed rebar then we're seeing it at a high res texture.. the other rebar found throughout the Earth mission is extremely low res.




Rebar shouldn't really be that close to each other. They aren't even that close in the earth shots. Plus, they resemble these cables better

snip





Thhe problem with these are they are not the EXACT same cable... The separation between metal segments is wider in the Shep alive scene.


Well I'd show you the exact cables but I'll get yelled at for using flycam. The cables are there and very detailed but I can't get a good close up shot without it.

The cables here are the smaller ones that wrap around the blocks and lead into the destroy option.

I don't expect to see the exact same assets in the last scene. I expect to see higher detailed objects modeled after the assets in game.

#37673
EpyonX3

EpyonX3
  • Members
  • 2 374 messages

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...





The problem I have with it is that the "cables" are sticking straight up.. when everywhere else they're curved.. or bent. Rebar IMO is the only thing that would be sticking straight up. And the closeup of the cables inside the citadel compared to the breath scene don't really match.


That's because the cables are wrapped above you and lead into the destroy option. It's not far fetched that they'd be above you.

#37674
byne

byne
  • Members
  • 7 813 messages

EpyonX3 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...





The problem I have with it is that the "cables" are sticking straight up.. when everywhere else they're curved.. or bent. Rebar IMO is the only thing that would be sticking straight up. And the closeup of the cables inside the citadel compared to the breath scene don't really match.


That's because the cables are wrapped above you and lead into the destroy option. It's not far fetched that they'd be above you.


Lets assume that you're right and that those are indeed the cables from the destroy area.

Where did all that concrete come from? There was no concrete anywhere nearby.

#37675
bobnice31

bobnice31
  • Members
  • 32 messages
It's funny, My 15 year old daughter just finished the game last night before going to bed. She came downstairs full of tears and broken hearted but totally content with her ending (Synthesis). She never once heard about the IT theory, I then approached her today and asked her if anything was out of place and didnt seem right about the ending. She then told me she felt like at one point the thought of Indoctrination ran through her mind. I told her she might have been tricked by the Stargazer to spare the Reapers by picking the Synthesis ending, I then reminded her about how Saren was fooled (Indoctrinated) by the Idea of merging Organics with Machines in ME1. I also reminded her of how the entire ME3 playthrough Shepard was arguing against controlling the Reapers (Illusive mans agenda coming from his indoctrination). I also showed her how it seemed like the Stargazer was trying to convince her NOT to pick the Destroy ending by using the Red Color and the lie that Shepard would die. After all, the Reapers are trying to avoid death.

She then watched the IT video and saw how the Oily Shadows dreams were eerily similar to the description of indoctrination from the Rachni Queen in ME1. I also mentioned to her that how could the Illusive man use his ability of control, that he got from experimenting with Reaper Indoctrination, on Shepard unless Shepard was in fact already Indoctrinated. After all, Reapers cannot control people who arent Indoctrinated so neither should the Illusive man. She then started to put all the pieces together about the Arrival Artifact, Derelic Reaper and things. Let me tell you, this blew her mind. She is with me though, I do believe Shepard is indoctrinated however I believe he made it to the Citadel and chose A,B or C, but I do believe the confrontation with Anderson and the Illusive man and Stargazer were all attemps at Indoctrination. If this is true and actually what they intended then WOW, if its not true then hats off to whoever thought of this and Bioware needs to put you on their payroll for ME4.

Modifié par bobnice31, 17 avril 2012 - 03:56 .