OdanUrr wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
1) You read "I'm looking at the evidence and drawing a conclusion based on that" as "I figured it out immediately" and you're lecturing us about bad interpretations? I wonder if OJ Simpson is free to give me some marriage counseling after this.
2) "It all comes down to interpretation" is a sugar-coated way of saying you have not and cannot provide a more logical explanation than IT.
3) Yes, psychology plays a major part in almost everything people do. But people who actually know anything about psychology also know things like "you can't painbrush everyone who disagrees with you as doing so for faulty reasons." Unsubstantiated paintbrushing I might add, but not backing up what you claim seems to be a theme of yours so I suppose that's to be expected. I disgress though. It turns out, psychology is actually complex! I know, right? Who'd have thought that it wouldn't be reasonable to psychoanalyze strangers en masse by the criteria of "has a different opinion than I do."
1) Not what I meant. What I'm saying is that if we cannot deduce this naturally as we play the game, then it's highly unlikely it'll be true, particularly considering ME3 was marketed as the "natural entry point" of the franchise. Mass Effect is not, by any means, a detective story. If we're meant to deduce things, there has to be enough foreshadowing.
2) Logical explanation to what exactly?
3) I don't support IT. I've tried to explain why and when someone asks me on a particular piece of evidence I've tried to provide an alternate explanation. This is not meant to say my explanation is the right explanation as you apparently believe I'm saying, but that it is also a possible explanation. That is why I say it comes down to interpretation, because there can be any number of possible explanations.
Ok, I think we all need to chill a bit. OdanUrr, you'll have to forgive the people, when you're on a forum that people constantly jump into to call you misguided without knowing what it's about you get pretty annoyed. Obviously you have your opinion and we have ours, and you seem perfectly willing to be reasonable.
About people believeing what they want to be true - absolutely. A lot of people who believe IT do believe because of this, and of course wanting something has ZERO bearing on it's truth (I'd argue it's not even a good enough reason to do an "interpretation").
I do think it's unfair to put everyone into this category, though. When my friend first said he'd heard about IT I had the same reaction as you - figured it was people who loved Mass Effect and wanted a better/happier ending. And I should be clear, I didn't hate the ending. I didn't like it, either. It was...ok. A lot of continuity errors, though.
So it was weird for me when I read the article and It actually made a lot of sense. More than a lot, it explained things earlier in the game, it explained bizarre scenes and odd ways of shooting scenes. It kept explaining things that had happened quickly and cleanly, and in exact accordance with the ME universe.
Ok, before I continue; I hate conspiracy theories. I do. The thing is, they're never very hard to take apart. When people try and plaster an interpretation over things, inevitably something doesn't fit, or sticks out. I read that article expecting to be able to shoot down IT, but I found nothing to shoot down. To me, that's the most convincing point in it's favour. At some point it stops being coincidence or fan made patches.
To help me weigh it up, I made a list on another forum of (large) plot holes in the literal and IT interpretations and asked for more, and after near 20 pages of arguing, IT had zero plotholes and literal had about 6. Therefore, as an interpretation, IT will always be the strongest in my view.
But of course a lot of us are arguing Bioware intended this, including me, so the light interpretation reasoning doesn't work in that sense. The reason I believe is a combination of the weird way the theory fits so perfectly, and the sheer oddity of the situation. The only other explanations offered are that Bioware was lazy or rushed at the end. But this doesn't fit, as their are a lot of EXTRA things in the ending that simply did not need to be there, things that are expected of the IT ending. Bioware being lazy cannot explain extra work, nor can their being rushed (people mistakenly believe that a games ending is the last thing done. This is almost never true). So if lazy or rushed is out, we are left with the idea that Bioware's writing ability suddeny dropped from great to abysmal for a precise 15 minute gap. To me this is the most unlikely explanation of all. If they couldn't write it should show up elsewhere in the game, but it doesn't. ONLY in the short gap at the end do we get this writing.
Ooft, big chunk of text there, sorry
If you are interested in staying around and chatting about the theory, could I ask that you read this please? It's the article that explained IT to me, it's good and clear, without any of the more minute detail stuff. As long as you've read it we'll be on the same page while discussing IT.
http://www.gameseyev...ing-eventually/ Thanks for coming by and welcome.
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