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byne wrote...
Yup, pretty much.
Depends on if you believe the child on Earth to be a hallucination though, then some hallucinations also happen on Earth at the very beginning.
byne wrote...
DangerousPuddy wrote...
RorickHuon wrote...
If you remember what Javik says their civilzation was betrayed by a splinter group who thought they could control the reapers. That group was indoctrinated. Not to mention they also had reaper sleeper agents. I think it is safe to sa that the "VI"s are only limited in how the detect reaper control. If they weren't than the Protheans whouldn't have been caught off gaurd.DangerousPuddy wrote...
Question for all IT go'ers.
One thing that confuses me is you're saying Shep is Indoc'd even when on Thessia when the thing says "indoctrinated presence detected" to Kai Leng?
Gotcha, but your actions are Shepard there are still your own right. The hallucinations and visions only occur at the beam and during the dreams?
Yup, pretty much.
Depends on if you believe the child on Earth to be a hallucination though, then some hallucinations also happen on Earth at the very beginning.
OdanUrr wrote...
byne wrote...
Yup, pretty much.
Depends on if you believe the child on Earth to be a hallucination though, then some hallucinations also happen on Earth at the very beginning.
You know what would have been great? If the kid had been a younger Shepard. Of course, if you played as FemShep the kid would have to be a girl.
SS2Dante wrote...
byne wrote...
DangerousPuddy wrote...
RorickHuon wrote...
If you remember what Javik says their civilzation was betrayed by a splinter group who thought they could control the reapers. That group was indoctrinated. Not to mention they also had reaper sleeper agents. I think it is safe to sa that the "VI"s are only limited in how the detect reaper control. If they weren't than the Protheans whouldn't have been caught off gaurd.DangerousPuddy wrote...
Question for all IT go'ers.
One thing that confuses me is you're saying Shep is Indoc'd even when on Thessia when the thing says "indoctrinated presence detected" to Kai Leng?
Gotcha, but your actions are Shepard there are still your own right. The hallucinations and visions only occur at the beam and during the dreams?
Yup, pretty much.
Depends on if you believe the child on Earth to be a hallucination though, then some hallucinations also happen on Earth at the very beginning.
I think something else we all have to remember is that all of this is symbolism designed around the media we are viewing (in this case visual and interactive). What I mean is, in the book with Grayson he is (apparently) aware he is being indoctrinated, and is "trapped" in his own body. Of course, this is near impossible to reconcile with indoctrination as we see it in the games. It is portrayed slightly differently in each media according to the media's strengths (hence IT being ONLY possible in a game). So the hallucinations and stuff are more of a visual clue for us than literal for Shepard.
If you know what I mean? :S not sure I explained that too well
...man, I should reall be revising for my uni exams
SS2Dante wrote...
OdanUrr wrote...
byne wrote...
Yup, pretty much.
Depends on if you believe the child on Earth to be a hallucination though, then some hallucinations also happen on Earth at the very beginning.
You know what would have been great? If the kid had been a younger Shepard. Of course, if you played as FemShep the kid would have to be a girl.
You know, I did wonder when I was first playing through it (Femshep) if it was a little girl for male shep, since people tend to sympathise more with the opposite sex.
Rksmithers wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
byne wrote...
DangerousPuddy wrote...
RorickHuon wrote...
If you remember what Javik says their civilzation was betrayed by a splinter group who thought they could control the reapers. That group was indoctrinated. Not to mention they also had reaper sleeper agents. I think it is safe to sa that the "VI"s are only limited in how the detect reaper control. If they weren't than the Protheans whouldn't have been caught off gaurd.DangerousPuddy wrote...
Question for all IT go'ers.
One thing that confuses me is you're saying Shep is Indoc'd even when on Thessia when the thing says "indoctrinated presence detected" to Kai Leng?
Gotcha, but your actions are Shepard there are still your own right. The hallucinations and visions only occur at the beam and during the dreams?
Yup, pretty much.
Depends on if you believe the child on Earth to be a hallucination though, then some hallucinations also happen on Earth at the very beginning.
I think something else we all have to remember is that all of this is symbolism designed around the media we are viewing (in this case visual and interactive). What I mean is, in the book with Grayson he is (apparently) aware he is being indoctrinated, and is "trapped" in his own body. Of course, this is near impossible to reconcile with indoctrination as we see it in the games. It is portrayed slightly differently in each media according to the media's strengths (hence IT being ONLY possible in a game). So the hallucinations and stuff are more of a visual clue for us than literal for Shepard.
If you know what I mean? :S not sure I explained that too well
...man, I should reall be revising for my uni exams
yeah but you have to remember he was directly injected with reaper nanos, and he was basicaly being turned into a form of husk, it wasnt subdle with grayson as it is with shepard.
SS2Dante wrote...
Rksmithers wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
byne wrote...
DangerousPuddy wrote...
RorickHuon wrote...
If you remember what Javik says their civilzation was betrayed by a splinter group who thought they could control the reapers. That group was indoctrinated. Not to mention they also had reaper sleeper agents. I think it is safe to sa that the "VI"s are only limited in how the detect reaper control. If they weren't than the Protheans whouldn't have been caught off gaurd.DangerousPuddy wrote...
Question for all IT go'ers.
One thing that confuses me is you're saying Shep is Indoc'd even when on Thessia when the thing says "indoctrinated presence detected" to Kai Leng?
Gotcha, but your actions are Shepard there are still your own right. The hallucinations and visions only occur at the beam and during the dreams?
Yup, pretty much.
Depends on if you believe the child on Earth to be a hallucination though, then some hallucinations also happen on Earth at the very beginning.
I think something else we all have to remember is that all of this is symbolism designed around the media we are viewing (in this case visual and interactive). What I mean is, in the book with Grayson he is (apparently) aware he is being indoctrinated, and is "trapped" in his own body. Of course, this is near impossible to reconcile with indoctrination as we see it in the games. It is portrayed slightly differently in each media according to the media's strengths (hence IT being ONLY possible in a game). So the hallucinations and stuff are more of a visual clue for us than literal for Shepard.
If you know what I mean? :S not sure I explained that too well
...man, I should reall be revising for my uni exams
yeah but you have to remember he was directly injected with reaper nanos, and he was basicaly being turned into a form of husk, it wasnt subdle with grayson as it is with shepard.
Well well. The person who told me about this was arguing against IT and he completely left that out. Imagine.
Modifié par paxxton, 17 avril 2012 - 03:47 .
Dwailing wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
OdanUrr wrote...
byne wrote...
Yup, pretty much.
Depends on if you believe the child on Earth to be a hallucination though, then some hallucinations also happen on Earth at the very beginning.
You know what would have been great? If the kid had been a younger Shepard. Of course, if you played as FemShep the kid would have to be a girl.
You know, I did wonder when I was first playing through it (Femshep) if it was a little girl for male shep, since people tend to sympathise more with the opposite sex.
No, little girl would have been straight up creepy. Anyone who has even a basic knowledge of horror movies knows you're not supposed to trust little girls.
paxxton wrote...
You know what, I think that playing through the whole game and then sending your copy back and demanding a refund because you don't like the ending seems highly unfair on the part of the customer.
paxxton wrote...
You know what, I think that playing through the whole game and then sending your copy back and demanding a refund because you don't like the ending seems highly unfair on the part of the customer.
byne wrote...
paxxton wrote...
You know what, I think that playing through the whole game and then sending your copy back and demanding a refund because you don't like the ending seems highly unfair on the part of the customer.
Sure, but if you claim Bioware made false promises, and falsely advertised the game, then not only are you correct, but the Better Business Bureau agrees with you.
byne wrote...
paxxton wrote...
You know what, I think that playing through the whole game and then sending your copy back and demanding a refund because you don't like the ending seems highly unfair on the part of the customer.
Sure, but if you claim Bioware made false promises, and falsely advertised the game, then not only are you correct, but the Better Business Bureau agrees with you.
Modifié par paxxton, 17 avril 2012 - 03:49 .
byne wrote...
paxxton wrote...
You know what, I think that playing through the whole game and then sending your copy back and demanding a refund because you don't like the ending seems highly unfair on the part of the customer.
Sure, but if you claim Bioware made false promises, and falsely advertised the game, then not only are you correct, but the Better Business Bureau agrees with you.
ExtendedCut wrote...
paxxton wrote...
You know what, I think that playing through the whole game and then sending your copy back and demanding a refund because you don't like the ending seems highly unfair on the part of the customer.
Although I vehemently support IT, your comment above is the biggest reason I still have lingering doubts about it.
If IT is true, and this whole issue was a "grand scheme" by Bioware, then I would guarantee that they didn't anticipate the anger and backlash and refund demands that people made.
If that had been planned by my company, and we had gotten the outcome that Bioware is experiencing, then a whole bunch of marketing guys would be getting fired.
MaximizedAction wrote...
NoSpin wrote...
Golferguy758 wrote...
byne wrote...
IronSabbath88 wrote...
Anybody else see an overturned Mako in the background?
Yeah, that does look like a Mako. Also, to link a pic from the first page:
Gee, I wonder where Shepard is?
Ooo oo I know this! Ummm... It's oh man, I'm so nervous. It's umm... Mars! Wait, no, Thessia!
WOW. Look at those comparison shots.....I love it. Just look how the beam on Earth and the Citadel are presented, a beam of light somewhat encircled on both sides.
This pic has awesomeness written all over it.
The beams look so conveniently similar. This reminds me of when I used the radio as an alarm clock, so when I was still asleep I always remember hearing the tune from the radio in my dreams.
For example I'd suddenly sit in a car with the carradio on playing a random song and when I woke up the same song was playing in the radio.
So I find it quite odd that there would also be a beam on the citadel where there was one right in front of him back on earth.
But I can't come up with similarities between jumping in the Synthesis beam and running into the Transport beam.
And good work, noticing the Mako siluette!
Modifié par NoSpin, 17 avril 2012 - 03:52 .
NoSpin wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
NoSpin wrote...
Golferguy758 wrote...
byne wrote...
IronSabbath88 wrote...
Anybody else see an overturned Mako in the background?
Yeah, that does look like a Mako. Also, to link a pic from the first page:
Gee, I wonder where Shepard is?
Ooo oo I know this! Ummm... It's oh man, I'm so nervous. It's umm... Mars! Wait, no, Thessia!
WOW. Look at those comparison shots.....I love it. Just look how the beam on Earth and the Citadel are presented, a beam of light somewhat encircled on both sides.
This pic has awesomeness written all over it.
The beams look so conveniently similar. This reminds me of when I used the radio as an alarm clock, so when I was still asleep I always remember hearing the tune from the radio in my dreams.
For example I'd suddenly sit in a car with the carradio on playing a random song and when I woke up the same song was playing in the radio.
So I find it quite odd that there would also be a beam on the citadel where there was one right in front of him back on earth.
But I can't come up with similarities between jumping in the Synthesis beam and running into the Transport beam.
And good work, noticing the Mako siluette!
This just lends eveidence to the theory that everything Shep sees up on the "citadel" is a combination of things he has seen before. Anderson mentions that it looks like his descriptions of the Collector base, the walls move like on the Shadow Broker's ship, the beam on Earth looks exactly the same (the one on the citadel still has the wheels of the broken Mako!).
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paxxton wrote...
byne wrote...
paxxton wrote...
You know what, I think that playing through the whole game and then sending your copy back and demanding a refund because you don't like the ending seems highly unfair on the part of the customer.
Sure, but if you claim Bioware made false promises, and falsely advertised the game, then not only are you correct, but the Better Business Bureau agrees with you.
I.m sorry but I don't follow the logical structure of your statement. Could you rewrite it?
byne wrote...
paxxton wrote...
byne wrote...
paxxton wrote...
You know what, I think that playing through the whole game and then sending your copy back and demanding a refund because you don't like the ending seems highly unfair on the part of the customer.
Sure, but if you claim Bioware made false promises, and falsely advertised the game, then not only are you correct, but the Better Business Bureau agrees with you.
I.m sorry but I don't follow the logical structure of your statement. Could you rewrite it?
I could but I dont want to sacrifice the artistic integrity of my comment.
Here's the Extended Cut™ of my comment though, which will hopefully clarify it for you:
I agree that returning it because you dont like the ending is stupid, but if you return it because Bioware lied about the product and didnt deliver what they said they'd deliver, I have no problem with that.
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byne wrote...
paxxton wrote...
byne wrote...
paxxton wrote...
You know what, I think that playing through the whole game and then sending your copy back and demanding a refund because you don't like the ending seems highly unfair on the part of the customer.
Sure, but if you claim Bioware made false promises, and falsely advertised the game, then not only are you correct, but the Better Business Bureau agrees with you.
I.m sorry but I don't follow the logical structure of your statement. Could you rewrite it?
I could but I dont want to sacrifice the artistic integrity of my comment.
Here's the Extended Cut™ of my comment though, which will hopefully clarify it for you:
I agree that returning it because you dont like the ending is stupid, but if you return it because Bioware lied about the product and didnt deliver what they said they'd deliver, I have no problem with that.
Modifié par paxxton, 17 avril 2012 - 03:58 .
SS2Dante wrote...
By the way, OdanUrr, you seem pretty impartial, or at least not calling everyone crazy and running off, so you might want to watch this. It's a more in depth look at the theory with a walkthrough of everything after the beam hits you. It's pretty long, but the guy has a rather nice flair for the dramatic editing, so it's quite entertaining.
OdanUrr wrote...
SS2Dante wrote...
By the way, OdanUrr, you seem pretty impartial, or at least not calling everyone crazy and running off, so you might want to watch this. It's a more in depth look at the theory with a walkthrough of everything after the beam hits you. It's pretty long, but the guy has a rather nice flair for the dramatic editing, so it's quite entertaining.
I've watched both of Acavyos' videos.
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