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byne wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
NoSpin wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
HOLY....
About keepers:
"They go about their work, oblivious to the hustle and bustle going on around them."
Why do they show the keeper looking at you when you first take the beam up to the citadel?
Mind=Blown
Wow, that's a good point.
I've brought that up like 20 times and no one cares.
Someone else brings it up and suddenly its a mind-blowingly good point.
That's what I thought. No one else knows about the boy (or his importance to Shepard), so it must have something to do with Shepard's mind.The Honorary Krogan wrote...
It can be argued that the kid was a projection from the start (how did he survive the explosion next to the vents, why is everyone ignoring him at the shuttle, the warning signs next to him everywhere, how did he get from flying the ship to the vent so fast, Anderson pays no attention to him etc). Either that or the reaper Indoc. is using images from shepards mind that will have the most manipulative effect without breaking the illusion. (eg: catalyst as LI would be easy to see through). The question is whether you think the reapers are using the image of a real kid or whether they subtly introduced him in the first place.
Eli Parker wrote...
The Honorary Krogan wrote...
It can be argued that the kid was a projection from the start (how did he survive the explosion next to the vents, why is everyone ignoring him at the shuttle, the warning signs next to him everywhere, how did he get from flying the ship to the vent so fast, Anderson pays no attention to him etc). Either that or the reaper Indoc. is using images from shepards mind that will have the most manipulative effect without breaking the illusion. (eg: catalyst as LI would be easy to see through). The question is whether you think the reapers are using the image of a real kid or whether they subtly introduced him in the first place.
When I first played the demo, I thought the Kid was Shepard when he was a child. Then to see if that was true I replayed the demo as the femshep and I was wrong. Still that kid to me was never real (to could be the form of Shep's child in his or her mind, not including if your LI isn't human).
) so it makes sense for the reapers to use the image of one to help shepard to feel guilty and become more susepticle to indoctrination.
llbountyhunter wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
Rosewind wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Rosewind wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
*snip*
The keepers are broke inside, did you look at their eyes? Its like looking at a scared puppy, in fear they can't do anything, so they upkeep the citadel.
I can't find a good pic.
If they are scared wouldn't they try and fix it? Or get rid of the conduit? That is my point they suppose to upkeep and fix things on the citadel, the conduit stops the citadel from functioning like it should so shouldn't they find out why and fix it? Wow this is really of topic ><!
The Conduit was only the Protheans gateway onto the Citadel. Once there they altered the Keepers so they no longer responded to the Reapers commands (How they did this is a mystery) and though the Keepers are dedicated to maintaining the Citadel they still allow other races to build there and rearange things (though they sometiems change things as well without warning as mentioned in a Codex)
Hmmmm reprogramming the Keepers your say may I ask where is it mentioned they reprogrammed the keepers and not the controls? I cant remember what the VI on Ilos says.
I would look for a vid, but where I'm at the comp as no sound, so you can try this website: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Vigil
I that link.... I wonder what happened to those 12 remaining prothean scientists that went through the conduit...
Eli Parker wrote...
The Honorary Krogan wrote...
It can be argued that the kid was a projection from the start (how did he survive the explosion next to the vents, why is everyone ignoring him at the shuttle, the warning signs next to him everywhere, how did he get from flying the ship to the vent so fast, Anderson pays no attention to him etc). Either that or the reaper Indoc. is using images from shepards mind that will have the most manipulative effect without breaking the illusion. (eg: catalyst as LI would be easy to see through). The question is whether you think the reapers are using the image of a real kid or whether they subtly introduced him in the first place.
When I first played the demo, I thought the Kid was Shepard when he was a child. Then to see if that was true I replayed the demo as the femshep and I was wrong. Still that kid to me was never real (to could be the form of Shep's child in his or her mind, not including if your LI isn't human).
The Honorary Krogan wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
The Honorary Krogan wrote...
It can be argued that the kid was a projection from the start (how did he survive the explosion next to the vents, why is everyone ignoring him at the shuttle, the warning signs next to him everywhere, how did he get from flying the ship to the vent so fast, Anderson pays no attention to him etc). Either that or the reaper Indoc. is using images from shepards mind that will have the most manipulative effect without breaking the illusion. (eg: catalyst as LI would be easy to see through). The question is whether you think the reapers are using the image of a real kid or whether they subtly introduced him in the first place.
When I first played the demo, I thought the Kid was Shepard when he was a child. Then to see if that was true I replayed the demo as the femshep and I was wrong. Still that kid to me was never real (to could be the form of Shep's child in his or her mind, not including if your LI isn't human).
Well children in general generate natural sympathy (among humans, not the fanbase it seems
paxxton wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
The Honorary Krogan wrote...
It can be argued that the kid was a projection from the start (how did he survive the explosion next to the vents, why is everyone ignoring him at the shuttle, the warning signs next to him everywhere, how did he get from flying the ship to the vent so fast, Anderson pays no attention to him etc). Either that or the reaper Indoc. is using images from shepards mind that will have the most manipulative effect without breaking the illusion. (eg: catalyst as LI would be easy to see through). The question is whether you think the reapers are using the image of a real kid or whether they subtly introduced him in the first place.
When I first played the demo, I thought the Kid was Shepard when he was a child. Then to see if that was true I replayed the demo as the femshep and I was wrong. Still that kid to me was never real (to could be the form of Shep's child in his or her mind, not including if your LI isn't human).
Shepard's last dream ends with him hugging the kid. I though then he might have been Shepard's son in some alternate reality (or a flash of his future family).
Eli Parker wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
The Honorary Krogan wrote...
It can be argued that the kid was a projection from the start (how did he survive the explosion next to the vents, why is everyone ignoring him at the shuttle, the warning signs next to him everywhere, how did he get from flying the ship to the vent so fast, Anderson pays no attention to him etc). Either that or the reaper Indoc. is using images from shepards mind that will have the most manipulative effect without breaking the illusion. (eg: catalyst as LI would be easy to see through). The question is whether you think the reapers are using the image of a real kid or whether they subtly introduced him in the first place.
When I first played the demo, I thought the Kid was Shepard when he was a child. Then to see if that was true I replayed the demo as the femshep and I was wrong. Still that kid to me was never real (to could be the form of Shep's child in his or her mind, not including if your LI isn't human).
Shepard's last dream ends with him hugging the kid. I though then he might have been Shepard's son in some alternate reality (or a flash of his future family).
When I saw that sence, I didn't know what to think. It felt odd and I was not expecting good things, but I like the idea if you trust the kid you are burning yourself.
Imjustaj wrote...
Hello iters. IT is the only thing that gives the ending any sense. That is a fact in my opinion. The only question is why it is not in the game (as yet??) for me either changed thier mind at the last minute, EA (after all the delays) forced them to release the game thus the two main guys went off to a room to finish it or this was Biowares way of ending the series by indocternating the fans and giving them the "extended cut" to give us the true ending. I for one hope It is what we are given. There is too much evidence in game to suggest IT was never on the table. Bioware to you to deliver and knock us stupid.
paxxton wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
The Honorary Krogan wrote...
It can be argued that the kid was a projection from the start (how did he survive the explosion next to the vents, why is everyone ignoring him at the shuttle, the warning signs next to him everywhere, how did he get from flying the ship to the vent so fast, Anderson pays no attention to him etc). Either that or the reaper Indoc. is using images from shepards mind that will have the most manipulative effect without breaking the illusion. (eg: catalyst as LI would be easy to see through). The question is whether you think the reapers are using the image of a real kid or whether they subtly introduced him in the first place.
When I first played the demo, I thought the Kid was Shepard when he was a child. Then to see if that was true I replayed the demo as the femshep and I was wrong. Still that kid to me was never real (to could be the form of Shep's child in his or her mind, not including if your LI isn't human).
Shepard's last dream ends with him hugging the kid. I though then he might have been Shepard's son in some alternate reality (or a flash of his future family).
When I saw that sence, I didn't know what to think. It felt odd and I was not expecting good things, but I like the idea if you trust the kid you are burning yourself.
Again it was just a random thought at that time. Now I think it was indoctrination. Or Harbinger is Shepard's son! LOL
Eli Parker wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
The Honorary Krogan wrote...
It can be argued that the kid was a projection from the start (how did he survive the explosion next to the vents, why is everyone ignoring him at the shuttle, the warning signs next to him everywhere, how did he get from flying the ship to the vent so fast, Anderson pays no attention to him etc). Either that or the reaper Indoc. is using images from shepards mind that will have the most manipulative effect without breaking the illusion. (eg: catalyst as LI would be easy to see through). The question is whether you think the reapers are using the image of a real kid or whether they subtly introduced him in the first place.
When I first played the demo, I thought the Kid was Shepard when he was a child. Then to see if that was true I replayed the demo as the femshep and I was wrong. Still that kid to me was never real (to could be the form of Shep's child in his or her mind, not including if your LI isn't human).
Shepard's last dream ends with him hugging the kid. I though then he might have been Shepard's son in some alternate reality (or a flash of his future family).
When I saw that sence, I didn't know what to think. It felt odd and I was not expecting good things, but I like the idea if you trust the kid you are burning yourself.
Again it was just a random thought at that time. Now I think it was indoctrination. Or Harbinger is Shepard's son! LOL
Shepard: You killed my father.
Harbinger: No, I'm your father, Luk.. I mean Shepard.
Shepard: No This can't be trueeeeee.
EA are always the worry. Maybe BW gave us the current ending trusting the fans to cause a stink and forcing EA to give BW the time to finish the way they wanted. Either way as long as BW sort this mess out i will forgive them everything cause the games are that damn good.Eli Parker wrote...
Imjustaj wrote...
Hello iters. IT is the only thing that gives the ending any sense. That is a fact in my opinion. The only question is why it is not in the game (as yet??) for me either changed thier mind at the last minute, EA (after all the delays) forced them to release the game thus the two main guys went off to a room to finish it or this was Biowares way of ending the series by indocternating the fans and giving them the "extended cut" to give us the true ending. I for one hope It is what we are given. There is too much evidence in game to suggest IT was never on the table. Bioware to you to deliver and knock us stupid.
I believe that EA what Mass Effect 3 to come out in March due to the lack of competition in the shooter genre. So Bioware got the game out like is and release it afterwards. Bioware can't say anything bad about EA or they'll lose their jobs, so if they release the "ending DLC" with the indoc theory and give us the final fight, I'll be happy with Mass Effect. (I'll likely be done with Bioware as Dragon Age Awakening and Dragon Age 2 were awfully and they plan to have MP in DA 3).
Eli Parker wrote...
*snip*
I would look for a vid, but where I'm at the comp as no sound, so you can try this website: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Vigil
Modifié par Rosewind, 17 avril 2012 - 08:24 .
Imjustaj wrote...
EA are always the worry. Maybe BW gave us the current ending trusting the fans to cause a stink and forcing EA to give BW the time to finish the way they wanted. Either way as long as BW sort this mess out i will forgive them everything cause the games are that damn good.Eli Parker wrote...
Imjustaj wrote...
Hello iters. IT is the only thing that gives the ending any sense. That is a fact in my opinion. The only question is why it is not in the game (as yet??) for me either changed thier mind at the last minute, EA (after all the delays) forced them to release the game thus the two main guys went off to a room to finish it or this was Biowares way of ending the series by indocternating the fans and giving them the "extended cut" to give us the true ending. I for one hope It is what we are given. There is too much evidence in game to suggest IT was never on the table. Bioware to you to deliver and knock us stupid.
I believe that EA what Mass Effect 3 to come out in March due to the lack of competition in the shooter genre. So Bioware got the game out like is and release it afterwards. Bioware can't say anything bad about EA or they'll lose their jobs, so if they release the "ending DLC" with the indoc theory and give us the final fight, I'll be happy with Mass Effect. (I'll likely be done with Bioware as Dragon Age Awakening and Dragon Age 2 were awfully and they plan to have MP in DA 3).
Big Bad wrote...
Aanlen wrote...
Fellow indoc fans, heres a comic about the ending featuring the indoctrination thoery! It's emotional and moving and just something you must see!
http://social.biowar...4618/1#11484618
wow.
Not gonna lie, i got some serious chills reading that
Modifié par Parabolee77, 17 avril 2012 - 08:27 .
paxxton wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
The Honorary Krogan wrote...
It can be argued that the kid was a projection from the start (how did he survive the explosion next to the vents, why is everyone ignoring him at the shuttle, the warning signs next to him everywhere, how did he get from flying the ship to the vent so fast, Anderson pays no attention to him etc). Either that or the reaper Indoc. is using images from shepards mind that will have the most manipulative effect without breaking the illusion. (eg: catalyst as LI would be easy to see through). The question is whether you think the reapers are using the image of a real kid or whether they subtly introduced him in the first place.
When I first played the demo, I thought the Kid was Shepard when he was a child. Then to see if that was true I replayed the demo as the femshep and I was wrong. Still that kid to me was never real (to could be the form of Shep's child in his or her mind, not including if your LI isn't human).
Shepard's last dream ends with him hugging the kid. I though then he might have been Shepard's son in some alternate reality (or a flash of his future family).
When I saw that sence, I didn't know what to think. It felt odd and I was not expecting good things, but I like the idea if you trust the kid you are burning yourself.
Again it was just a random thought at that time. Now I think it was indoctrination. Or Harbinger is Shepard's son! LOL
Shepard: You killed my father.
Harbinger: No, I'm your father, Luk.. I mean Shepard.
Shepard: No This can't be trueeeeee.
Shepard: I choose Control/Synthesis.
Harbinger: You did good, son. You did good.
Rosewind wrote...
Eli Parker wrote...
*snip*
I would look for a vid, but where I'm at the comp as no sound, so you can try this website: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Vigil
"The remaining Protheans used the Conduit to reach the Citadel, and interfered with the signal to the keepers that allows the Citadel to become a mass relay." - http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Vigil
So they didn't mess with the keepers them selves just messed with the signal? Back to my original question how come the keepers never figured out something was wrong and try to fix it or they knew and just didn't want to.
Anyway to tired to keep digging for answers but thank you for the pleasant conversation
Parabolee77 wrote...
Although this board moves SO fast, those that actually remember that I was working on this will probably miss this post...
Here is my MASSIVE article attempting to collect all the evidence for Indoctrination in one place -
Here is the thread on this board for it -
http://social.biowar...5589/1#11485833
Here is the original article -
http://parabolee.blogspot.com/
It's over 10,000 words long! Thanks to all the great people on this board that contributed. And for those that asked someone to consolidate all this info, ENJOY!
Big Bad wrote...
Big Bad wrote...
Aanlen wrote...
Fellow indoc fans, heres a comic about the ending featuring the indoctrination thoery! It's emotional and moving and just something you must see!
http://social.biowar...4618/1#11484618
wow.
Not gonna lie, i got some serious chills reading that
this amazing link got lost in the shuffle so i am gonna quote myself.
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 17 avril 2012 - 08:33 .
Parabolee77 wrote...
Although this board moves SO fast, those that actually remember that I was working on this will probably miss this post...
Here is my MASSIVE article attempting to collect all the evidence for Indoctrination in one place -
Here is the thread on this board for it -
http://social.biowar...5589/1#11485833
Here is the original article -
http://parabolee.blogspot.com/
It's over 10,000 words long! Thanks to all the great people on this board that contributed. And for those that asked someone to consolidate all this info, ENJOY!
Eli Parker wrote...
Imjustaj wrote...
EA are always the worry. Maybe BW gave us the current ending trusting the fans to cause a stink and forcing EA to give BW the time to finish the way they wanted. Either way as long as BW sort this mess out i will forgive them everything cause the games are that damn good.Eli Parker wrote...
Imjustaj wrote...
Hello iters. IT is the only thing that gives the ending any sense. That is a fact in my opinion. The only question is why it is not in the game (as yet??) for me either changed thier mind at the last minute, EA (after all the delays) forced them to release the game thus the two main guys went off to a room to finish it or this was Biowares way of ending the series by indocternating the fans and giving them the "extended cut" to give us the true ending. I for one hope It is what we are given. There is too much evidence in game to suggest IT was never on the table. Bioware to you to deliver and knock us stupid.
I believe that EA what Mass Effect 3 to come out in March due to the lack of competition in the shooter genre. So Bioware got the game out like is and release it afterwards. Bioware can't say anything bad about EA or they'll lose their jobs, so if they release the "ending DLC" with the indoc theory and give us the final fight, I'll be happy with MaThey gunna struggle with that if thier fan base is gone lol. I know what u mean thoughss Effect. (I'll likely be done with Bioware as Dragon Age Awakening and Dragon Age 2 were awfully and they plan to have MP in DA 3).
That's a good point, I didn't think of that. Another reason I lost faith in Bioware is the co-creators are looking into make Mass Effect MMO, and making Star Wars TOR a MMO and not a single player action-rpg.
Parabolee77 wrote...
Although this board moves SO fast, those that actually remember that I was working on this will probably miss this post...
Here is my MASSIVE article attempting to collect all the evidence for Indoctrination in one place -
Here is the thread on this board for it -
http://social.biowar...5589/1#11485833
Here is the original article -
http://parabolee.blogspot.com/
It's over 10,000 words long! Thanks to all the great people on this board that contributed. And for those that asked someone to consolidate all this info, ENJOY!
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