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[SirLugash]

SS2Dante wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Okay minor mistake on my part, but that still leaves the entire time between taking to Vigil and Shepard climbing the Citadel tower and defeating Saren for Joker to make it back to the Citadel.

Depending on how fast you complete that part of the game that can take a few hours.

I thought you die if you stand around for to long when you have to choice A,B or C.

In the crucible? You die if you go up either ramps then turn back. Apparently you have to pick a decision and stick with it. I guess in both interpretations it's representative of enough time passing for the crucible to be blown up (which is what the game over screen says) or Shep bleeding out.

Why is the Crucible getting destroyed anyways ?
Starchild controls the Reapers, why would he let the Crucible getting destroyed if he needs to find a new solution with Shep and also clearly needs the Crucible for that ?

[balance5050]

SirLugash wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Okay minor mistake on my part, but that still leaves the entire time between taking to Vigil and Shepard climbing the Citadel tower and defeating Saren for Joker to make it back to the Citadel.

Depending on how fast you complete that part of the game that can take a few hours.

I thought you die if you stand around for to long when you have to choice A,B or C.

In the crucible? You die if you go up either ramps then turn back. Apparently you have to pick a decision and stick with it. I guess in both interpretations it's representative of enough time passing for the crucible to be blown up (which is what the game over screen says) or Shep bleeding out.

Why is the Crucible getting destroyed anyways ?
Starchild controls the Reapers, why would he let the Crucible getting destroyed if he needs to find a new solution with Shep and also clearly needs the Crucible for that ?

Another thing that only makes sense in the realm of I.T. IMHO

[Eli Parker]

SirLugash wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Okay minor mistake on my part, but that still leaves the entire time between taking to Vigil and Shepard climbing the Citadel tower and defeating Saren for Joker to make it back to the Citadel.

Depending on how fast you complete that part of the game that can take a few hours.

I thought you die if you stand around for to long when you have to choice A,B or C.

In the crucible? You die if you go up either ramps then turn back. Apparently you have to pick a decision and stick with it. I guess in both interpretations it's representative of enough time passing for the crucible to be blown up (which is what the game over screen says) or Shep bleeding out.

Why is the Crucible getting destroyed anyways ?
Starchild controls the Reapers, why would he let the Crucible getting destroyed if he needs to find a new solution with Shep and also clearly needs the Crucible for that ?

I personal cannot understand the ending, that is why when I was replaying ME1 + 2 I use the indoc theory and I'm still using it why replaying ME3.

[SS2Dante]

What do you guys think of the End Choice Bad naming in that blog? More and more and more to back this up.

[SS2Dante]

Eli Parker wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Okay minor mistake on my part, but that still leaves the entire time between taking to Vigil and Shepard climbing the Citadel tower and defeating Saren for Joker to make it back to the Citadel.

Depending on how fast you complete that part of the game that can take a few hours.

I thought you die if you stand around for to long when you have to choice A,B or C.

In the crucible? You die if you go up either ramps then turn back. Apparently you have to pick a decision and stick with it. I guess in both interpretations it's representative of enough time passing for the crucible to be blown up (which is what the game over screen says) or Shep bleeding out.

Why is the Crucible getting destroyed anyways ?
Starchild controls the Reapers, why would he let the Crucible getting destroyed if he needs to find a new solution with Shep and also clearly needs the Crucible for that ?

I personal cannot understand the ending, that is why when I was replaying ME1 + 2 I use the indoc theory and I'm still using it why replaying ME3.

How do you play 1 and 2 with the indoc theory?  It hasn't really got any bearing on those games at all

[SS2Dante]

KneeTheCap wrote...

Ah well, perhaps I am wrong. Concentrate on the word "always", there's a more deeper sound. It's most likely maleShep though...

:/

Next time you play you could check my weird auditory thing. if you turn the music off and the effects up you can hear this weird pulsing whistle. So far it's in no videos cos they all use music, but i can't figure out where it comes from :S

[RaidShock]

KneeTheCap wrote...

Ah well, perhaps I am wrong. Concentrate on the word "always", there's a more deeper sound. It's most likely maleShep though...

:/

I hear it. Meer and Hale are both definitely there. This is not a case of hearing what we want to hear(like when people say they can make out the whispers in the dreams IMO) - they ARE there.

[Eli Parker]

SS2Dante wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Eli Parker wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Okay minor mistake on my part, but that still leaves the entire time between taking to Vigil and Shepard climbing the Citadel tower and defeating Saren for Joker to make it back to the Citadel.

Depending on how fast you complete that part of the game that can take a few hours.

I thought you die if you stand around for to long when you have to choice A,B or C.

In the crucible? You die if you go up either ramps then turn back. Apparently you have to pick a decision and stick with it. I guess in both interpretations it's representative of enough time passing for the crucible to be blown up (which is what the game over screen says) or Shep bleeding out.

Why is the Crucible getting destroyed anyways ?
Starchild controls the Reapers, why would he let the Crucible getting destroyed if he needs to find a new solution with Shep and also clearly needs the Crucible for that ?

I personal cannot understand the ending, that is why when I was replaying ME1 + 2 I use the indoc theory and I'm still using it why replaying ME3.

How do you play 1 and 2 with the indoc theory?  It hasn't really got any bearing on those games at all

For ME 1 - With the death of Soverign, the reapers are activly searching for Shep and wanting him/her on their side.
For ME 2 - 
http://masseffect.wi..._Abandoned_Mine - Object looks like Object Rho

[balance5050]

SS2Dante wrote...


How do you play 1 and 2 with the indoc theory?  It hasn't really got any bearing on those games at all

I peronally thought indoc was going to be a bigger part of the series all around, think about if one of your crewmembers was indoc and there was a betrayal... One should ALWAYS play these games with indoc in mind. Starting with the derelict reaper, you are constantly in the presence of reaper tech.

Modifié par balance5050, 17 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[ExtendedCut]

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

But then you're implying that Hackett gave the full retreat order to the fleet, since individual ships don't have the privilage of running away when damaged. We know this isn't true, as we can see the fight going on outside. Either that, or Joker disobeyed orders and fled from a battle, abandoning everyone he knew or cared about.

It wasn't a full retreat since you can still see fighting going on right outside the crucible like you say. But a damaged ship holding records of all of Shepards missions, accomplishments, reaper data and eye witnesses would be lost if it went down on earth. Why risk losing so much info that can be passed down to a future cycle?

I highly doubt the Normandy was the repository for all humanity's Reaper knowledge. If that was the case they would simply have backed everything up before launching the attack.

Besides, the point of this cycle is that you choose to fight, rather than do what the Protheans did (prepare the next cycle). Priorities in battle.

Well, the Normandy was where Liara made her "time capsule" which supposedly contains knowledge about pretty much everything.

[SS2Dante]

@Eli Parker aaah ok. I wonder if we can get a screenshot of rho and that item.

[balance5050]

There's a song from the OST called "indoctrination" or something like that... It's an ultra creepy song with lot's of whispers, I can't find it right now but I remember hearing "Harbinger" in harbinger's voice. If any of you guys know the song I'm talking about you should link it. It was so scary.

[SS2Dante]

ExtendedCut wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

But then you're implying that Hackett gave the full retreat order to the fleet, since individual ships don't have the privilage of running away when damaged. We know this isn't true, as we can see the fight going on outside. Either that, or Joker disobeyed orders and fled from a battle, abandoning everyone he knew or cared about.

It wasn't a full retreat since you can still see fighting going on right outside the crucible like you say. But a damaged ship holding records of all of Shepards missions, accomplishments, reaper data and eye witnesses would be lost if it went down on earth. Why risk losing so much info that can be passed down to a future cycle?

I highly doubt the Normandy was the repository for all humanity's Reaper knowledge. If that was the case they would simply have backed everything up before launching the attack.

Besides, the point of this cycle is that you choose to fight, rather than do what the Protheans did (prepare the next cycle). Priorities in battle.

Well, the Normandy was where Liara made her "time capsule" which supposedly contains knowledge about pretty much everything.

I wonder where she put that, because surely it would be insanity bringing it on the assult on earth. I can't say she didn't bring it, but...:S

[Eli Parker]

SS2Dante wrote...

@Eli Parker aaah ok. I wonder if we can get a screenshot of rho and that item.

Reaper indoctrination device  - http://images3.wikia...tion_device.png 

Object Rho - 
http://social.biowar...2044/110208.jpg 

It's not the same, but it feels like that item is a old design of Object Rho or a less version.

Modifié par Eli Parker, 17 avril 2012 - 11:06 .

[SS2Dante]

Huh. Just looked up object Rho and it apparently takes it's energy from Dark Matter. Now, a lot of people think that they simply dropped that storyline (even though it was heavily hinted to be important), but listen to what the Prothean VI says the catalyst does

http://www.youtube.c...aMFZGwHs#t=458s

Odd.

[Leto_Galt]

Anyone else notice that the first time you see Starkid the building he is on top of doesn't appear to have any why to access it?
I guess there could be ladder on the far side of the building that we cant see, he could have climbed up there.
But that leads me to my second question. Why is a child playing unsupervised on top of a building in the middle of alliance HQ in the first place? Was daycare full that day?

Of course these are rhetorical question if you believe IT. (which I do)
I’m just throwing them out there since I haven't run across any discussion about them.

[Leto_Galt]

SS2Dante wrote...

What do you guys think of the End Choice Bad naming in that blog? More and more and more to back this up.

Yea that ones great, I hadn't seen it before I read the blog.

[Eli Parker]

SS2Dante wrote...

Huh. Just looked up object Rho and it apparently takes it's energy from Dark Matter. Now, a lot of people think that they simply dropped that storyline (even though it was heavily hinted to be important), but listen to what the Prothean VI says the catalyst does

http://www.youtube.c...aMFZGwHs#t=458s

Odd.

I never liked the Dark Matter and Reaper twist, it made the reapers "good" to a degree. To me the Reapers are evil, expect to the Keepers (as they can keep their form).

[Eli Parker]

Leto_Galt wrote...

Anyone else notice that the first time you see Starkid the building he is on top of doesn't appear to have any why to access it?
I guess there could be ladder on the far side of the building that we cant see, he could have climbed up there.
But that leads me to my second question. Why is a child playing unsupervised on top of a building in the middle of alliance HQ in the first place? Was daycare full that day?

Of course these are rhetorical question if you believe IT. (which I do)
I’m just throwing them out there since I haven't run across any discussion about them.

If the kid was real maybe he had no parents and he was like the kids at the citadel. (Yea this was a joke, I believe the IT is true).

[ExtendedCut]

I apologize for being the one to bring this up again (for the hundredth time in this thread) but to me, the biggest plot hole is the "control" the TIM has over Shepard and Anderson in the Citadel. I realize that Joker and Shep's squadmates running away after somehow teleporting to the Normandy is also major plot-hole, but to me, that COULD be explained away by some "convenient" and/or lazy writing.

So, is there any precedent for "body control" in any ME outlet that I am unaware of? AFAIK, no human (even if indoctrinated) has ever been able to control the body of another being.

Therefore, if IT is NOT true, then how will BW possibly explain this part? Saren was obviously indoctrinated, but never showed any ability to control people's motor-skills. So how does TIM suddenly have the ability to make Shepard shoot Anderson, for example?

Sorry, I realize that this is a thread in support of IT, but I think if we TRY to find ways to explain some of the plot-holes without IT, and can't do it, it makes IT more likely to be the only logical alternative. Other than the "all-of-the-sudden-horrible-writing-at-the-end" excuse that some anti-IT'ers are using.

[SS2Dante]

ExtendedCut wrote...

I apologize for being the one to bring this up again (for the hundredth time in this thread) but to me, the biggest plot hole is the "control" the TIM has over Shepard and Anderson in the Citadel. I realize that Joker and Shep's squadmates running away after somehow teleporting to the Normandy is also major plot-hole, but to me, that COULD be explained away by some "convenient" and/or lazy writing.

So, is there any precedent for "body control" in any ME outlet that I am unaware of? AFAIK, no human (even if indoctrinated) has ever been able to control the body of another being.

Therefore, if IT is NOT true, then how will BW possibly explain this part? Saren was obviously indoctrinated, but never showed any ability to control people's motor-skills. So how does TIM suddenly have the ability to make Shepard shoot Anderson, for example?

Sorry, I realize that this is a thread in support of IT, but I think if we TRY to find ways to explain some of the plot-holes without IT, and can't do it, it makes IT more likely to be the only logical alternative. Other than the "all-of-the-sudden-horrible-writing-at-the-end" excuse that some anti-IT'ers are using.

I suppose you could maybe kind of say it was some biotic ability? But that's a hand wave near enough to space magic. *shrug*

[balance5050]

ExtendedCut wrote...

I apologize for being the one to bring this up again (for the hundredth time in this thread) but to me, the biggest plot hole is the "control" the TIM has over Shepard and Anderson in the Citadel. I realize that Joker and Shep's squadmates running away after somehow teleporting to the Normandy is also major plot-hole, but to me, that COULD be explained away by some "convenient" and/or lazy writing.

So, is there any precedent for "body control" in any ME outlet that I am unaware of? AFAIK, no human (even if indoctrinated) has ever been able to control the body of another being.

Therefore, if IT is NOT true, then how will BW possibly explain this part? Saren was obviously indoctrinated, but never showed any ability to control people's motor-skills. So how does TIM suddenly have the ability to make Shepard shoot Anderson, for example?

Sorry, I realize that this is a thread in support of IT, but I think if we TRY to find ways to explain some of the plot-holes without IT, and can't do it, it makes IT more likely to be the only logical alternative. Other than the "all-of-the-sudden-horrible-writing-at-the-end" excuse that some anti-IT'ers are using.

My best guess for the body control is enhanced biotics. but then why does Shep rub his temple as if it IS indocrination of the mind? I don't know.

[n00bsauce2010]

SS2Dante wrote...

Huh. Just looked up object Rho and it apparently takes it's energy from Dark Matter. Now, a lot of people think that they simply dropped that storyline (even though it was heavily hinted to be important), but listen to what the Prothean VI says the catalyst does

http://www.youtube.c...aMFZGwHs#t=458s

Odd.

I hate that the video is labeled as mature. I don't want to log in! gah!

[Eli Parker]

ExtendedCut wrote...

I apologize for being the one to bring this up again (for the hundredth time in this thread) but to me, the biggest plot hole is the "control" the TIM has over Shepard and Anderson in the Citadel. I realize that Joker and Shep's squadmates running away after somehow teleporting to the Normandy is also major plot-hole, but to me, that COULD be explained away by some "convenient" and/or lazy writing.

So, is there any precedent for "body control" in any ME outlet that I am unaware of? AFAIK, no human (even if indoctrinated) has ever been able to control the body of another being.

Therefore, if IT is NOT true, then how will BW possibly explain this part? Saren was obviously indoctrinated, but never showed any ability to control people's motor-skills. So how does TIM suddenly have the ability to make Shepard shoot Anderson, for example?

Sorry, I realize that this is a thread in support of IT, but I think if we TRY to find ways to explain some of the plot-holes without IT, and can't do it, it makes IT more likely to be the only logical alternative. Other than the "all-of-the-sudden-horrible-writing-at-the-end" excuse that some anti-IT'ers are using.

I got no answer, but I can give you my theories.

TIM lied to Shep in ME2 and has a control chip that can be used once against Shep (yea I got nothing).

[SS2Dante]

Eli Parker wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Huh. Just looked up object Rho and it apparently takes it's energy from Dark Matter. Now, a lot of people think that they simply dropped that storyline (even though it was heavily hinted to be important), but listen to what the Prothean VI says the catalyst does

http://www.youtube.c...aMFZGwHs#t=458s

Odd.

I never liked the Dark Matter and Reaper twist, it made the reapers "good" to a degree. To me the Reapers are evil, expect to the Keepers (as they can keep their form).

If that's referring to the leaked script, I didn't read it (and still won't). But I have no trouble with the Reapers being "good" to a degree, I mean, even if they're simply doing this to reproduce then they aren't evil. Emotional complexity isn't such a terrible thing in a game like this.