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#38526
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*harbinger voice*: THIS TROLLS YOU!

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Arian Dynas

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As a point to make to all anti-IDTers.

Before you post anything, ask yourself what it is you seek to accomplish by doing so;

If you merely wish to educate people you see as in the wrong, then provide evidence, anecdotes, situations, hypotheses, engage in intellectual conversation. We WELCOME people trying and actually making an effort to PROVE us wrong, not merely just saying "ha ha, loser, you're wrong, so shut up and hate Bioware with the rest of us." Every incorrect assumption and idea we can purge from the theory only makes it stronger.

If you wish to troll and cause annoyance and or upset people, causing them to lose hope, then I am sure someone can show you the door, perhaps Mr. Woo or Mr. Priestly.

If you are here to learn, feel free to ask questions, but, please, keep them respectful. Bill and Ted put it well, be excellent to each other.

If you are here merely because you want to see people lose hope because you have, well then you have my pity, especially the variety saved for people who would lash out like that.

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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

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I know this has been said the world over; but why can some people just not respect others' beliefs/theories? The 'rape of established lore' line did give me a chuckle though.

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I still have nothing to say since everything has been said for me. Im just happy that I can make a monty python reference in a mass effect game now. ^_^

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Drift Avalii wrote...

I know this has been said the world over; but why can some people just not respect others' beliefs/theories? The 'rape of established lore' line did give me a chuckle though.


Yeah same here mostly in how inaccurate it is. I mean I highly doubt there is a thread on this forum which goes through so much to insure lorewise accuracy in the posts beeing made.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

As a point to make to all anti-IDTers.

Before you post anything, ask yourself what it is you seek to accomplish by doing so;

If you merely wish to educate people you see as in the wrong, then provide evidence, anecdotes, situations, hypotheses, engage in intellectual conversation. We WELCOME people trying and actually making an effort to PROVE us wrong, not merely just saying "ha ha, loser, you're wrong, so shut up and hate Bioware with the rest of us." Every incorrect assumption and idea we can purge from the theory only makes it stronger.

If you wish to troll and cause annoyance and or upset people, causing them to lose hope, then I am sure someone can show you the door, perhaps Mr. Woo or Mr. Priestly.

If you are here to learn, feel free to ask questions, but, please, keep them respectful. Bill and Ted put it well, be excellent to each other.

If you are here merely because you want to see people lose hope because you have, well then you have my pity, especially the variety saved for people who would lash out like that.


People to whom this post is won't acknowledge it anyway. So don't be surprised.
Actually, I haven't noticed any flames in this thread yet.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 avril 2012 - 10:09 .


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Drift Avalii wrote...

I know this has been said the world over; but why can some people just not respect others' beliefs/theories? The 'rape of established lore' line did give me a chuckle though.


To put it colloquially, haters gonna hate

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

I know this has been said the world over; but why can some people just not respect others' beliefs/theories? The 'rape of established lore' line did give me a chuckle though.


Yeah same here mostly in how inaccurate it is. I mean I highly doubt there is a thread on this forum which goes through so much to insure lorewise accuracy in the posts beeing made.


I'm often finding myself feeling unable to adequately contribute due to the level of proficiency with the lore and in-game observations by so many users in this thread. I usually end up just sitting back and learning. This thread is more analytical and self reflective than any other forum on Mass Effect I've encountered. By far.

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Same, I find myself actively researching lore being brought up just so I feel I can understand on a similar level. Whether we will be right or wrong in the end is not the point of this discussion (for me anyway) - it is about making sense of a plot that initially didn't and coming to believe the theory, based on lore and evidence provided in-game.

Bioware are making whatever they're making. We're making an educated guess at what that might be. Shame it seems to provoke such anger in others, though it's lovely to see some anti-IT actively engaging in the debate.

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Drift Avalii wrote...

Same, I find myself actively researching lore being brought up just so I feel I can understand on a similar level. Whether we will be right or wrong in the end is not the point of this discussion (for me anyway) - it is about making sense of a plot that initially didn't and coming to believe the theory, based on lore and evidence provided in-game.

Bioware are making whatever they're making. We're making an educated guess at what that might be. Shame it seems to provoke such anger in others, though it's lovely to see some anti-IT actively engaging in the debate.


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spotlessvoid wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

I know this has been said the world over; but why can some people just not respect others' beliefs/theories? The 'rape of established lore' line did give me a chuckle though.


Yeah same here mostly in how inaccurate it is. I mean I highly doubt there is a thread on this forum which goes through so much to insure lorewise accuracy in the posts beeing made.


I'm often finding myself feeling unable to adequately contribute due to the level of proficiency with the lore and in-game observations by so many users in this thread. I usually end up just sitting back and learning. This thread is more analytical and self reflective than any other forum on Mass Effect I've encountered. By far.



Aww....:wub: we're blushing...

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EDIT: Stupid farting rassum frassum...

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 18 avril 2012 - 10:25 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

I know this has been said the world over; but why can some people just not respect others' beliefs/theories? The 'rape of established lore' line did give me a chuckle though.


Yeah same here mostly in how inaccurate it is. I mean I highly doubt there is a thread on this forum which goes through so much to insure lorewise accuracy in the posts beeing made.


I'm often finding myself feeling unable to adequately contribute due to the level of proficiency with the lore and in-game observations by so many users in this thread. I usually end up just sitting back and learning. This thread is more analytical and self reflective than any other forum on Mass Effect I've encountered. By far.



Aww....:wub: we're blushing...


That's why the trolls have no chance in this thread.

Some of you are so rapid fire and relentlessness with precise and accurate information, it's like if engineers actually dropped banshee/brute hybrid turrets. Run. Just run. And Duck. At the same time.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

I know this has been said the world over; but why can some people just not respect others' beliefs/theories? The 'rape of established lore' line did give me a chuckle though.


Yeah same here mostly in how inaccurate it is. I mean I highly doubt there is a thread on this forum which goes through so much to insure lorewise accuracy in the posts beeing made.


I'm often finding myself feeling unable to adequately contribute due to the level of proficiency with the lore and in-game observations by so many users in this thread. I usually end up just sitting back and learning. This thread is more analytical and self reflective than any other forum on Mass Effect I've encountered. By far.



Aww....:wub: we're blushing...


That's why the trolls have no chance in this thread.

Some of you are so rapid fire and relentlessness with precise and accurate information, it's like if engineers actually dropped banshee/brute hybrid turrets. Run. Just run. And Duck. At the same time.


*doffs his cap* 

Why thank you for the kind words milady (or Milord, whichever you are)

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Weird. I'm usually the one who takes the Paragon option. :P


Paragon is almost always the way to go. I can't think of many things that go better for renegades. Rana Thanoptis... umm... wow, I can't think of anything else.

The only major thing I used to go renegade on was the genophage. But it wasn't very gray in ME3, it was very black and white. The genophage became portrayed as downright evil. So I'm pretty much straight paragon now. =/

Arcian wrote...

Also, inb4 "HURRGH STOP TROLLING US WE'RE RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG DURRF SCHLURRF". 1500 pages of nonsense and denial does not make you right.


... Irony, huh?

Mesina2 wrote...

I remember someone from Bioware yesterday Tweeted that Indoctrination theory will not be used in Extended Cut.

Wish I could find it again.


And I found the wreckage of Flight 19 while I was fishing. I got drunk and forgot where it was though. Wish I could find it again.

spotlessvoid wrote...

There is a point being made somewhere here, I'm sure of it.


Yeah, "don't give your BSN password to your best friend if you're sleeping with his wife."

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Need sleep. Day 2 of back to back to back 14 hour shifts starts in under 6 hours.

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Mesina2 wrote...

I remember someone from Bioware yesterday Tweeted that Indoctrination theory will not be used in Extended Cut.

Wish I could find it again.

With due respect to Jessica, she also stated that EDI has no reaper tech, I enjoy her enthusiastic tweets but take them with a pinch of salt, unless of course it's something like the incident that happened to her.

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AresCrusader wrote...

There is absolutely no credible evidence to support the IT apart from wishful thinking. Get over it guys, the game is what it is.

There is no credible evidence against it either, in fact there is more "speculation" in favor of IT than against it.

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DJBare wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I remember someone from Bioware yesterday Tweeted that Indoctrination theory will not be used in Extended Cut.

Wish I could find it again.

With due respect to Jessica, she also stated that EDI has no reaper tech, I enjoy her enthusiastic tweets but take them with a pinch of salt, unless of course it's something like the incident that happened to her.


Hmm. Can someone re link this tweet? It peaks my interest.

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Arian Dynas

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Voodzik wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I remember someone from Bioware yesterday Tweeted that Indoctrination theory will not be used in Extended Cut.

Wish I could find it again.

With due respect to Jessica, she also stated that EDI has no reaper tech, I enjoy her enthusiastic tweets but take them with a pinch of salt, unless of course it's something like the incident that happened to her.


Hmm. Can someone re link this tweet? It peaks my interest.


Piques. Something piques your interest. Sorry, pet peeve, I hate it when people do that, a peak is a mountain, or someone's appearance in the morning, a pique is a mood or interest.

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More speculations inbound:

So I was watching these new vids, that got linked to in the BSN a few hours back: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11500315.
There the guy does a three parter analysing ME3's story on a literary level and it's really worth watching the three vids...but plugging is not the point of this post...

It's this:
at some point in the third vid he talks about the Cerberus base invasion. This part got my spidey-senses up.
What exactly?

After we defeated Kai Leng he suddenly gets up on his last breath to get ya, right?

Here the guy talks about this specific scene
www.youtube.com/watch

And he makes an interesting point about something I completly missed whily playing: Why does no one notice him stumbling towards you? Maybe you guys are willing to watch this bit and help me out with the following piece of speculation:

Was Kai Leng getting up after you defeated him real, or was it just as real as the kid in the vent on earth?

:wizard:

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 18 avril 2012 - 11:08 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

Piques. Something piques your interest. Sorry, pet peeve, I hate it when people do that, a peak is a mountain, or someone's appearance in the morning, a pique is a mood or interest.


Bah.  For all intensive purposes it's the same thing.

(Yes, that was a joke. :whistle:)

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Vahilor wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Arcian wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

This entire thread has shown the over whelming evidence for IT. Which part of the 1500 plus pages do you need explained?

>"Overwhelming evidence"
>Speculation, assumptions, conjectures and outright rape of the established lore
Hahahaohwow.jpg

Your theory holds about as much water as a kitchen sieve.

Also, inb4 "HURRGH STOP TROLLING US WE'RE RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG DURRF SCHLURRF". 1500 pages of nonsense and denial does not make you right.


There is a point being made somewhere here, I'm sure of it.


Smells  like introllination ^^


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spotlessvoid wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

I know this has been said the world over; but why can some people just not respect others' beliefs/theories? The 'rape of established lore' line did give me a chuckle though.


Yeah same here mostly in how inaccurate it is. I mean I highly doubt there is a thread on this forum which goes through so much to insure lorewise accuracy in the posts beeing made.


I'm often finding myself feeling unable to adequately contribute due to the level of proficiency with the lore and in-game observations by so many users in this thread. I usually end up just sitting back and learning. This thread is more analytical and self reflective than any other forum on Mass Effect I've encountered. By far.



Aww....:wub: we're blushing...


That's why the trolls have no chance in this thread.

Some of you are so rapid fire and relentlessness with precise and accurate information, it's like if engineers actually dropped banshee/brute hybrid turrets. Run. Just run. And Duck. At the same time.


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