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[SS2Dante]

EpyonX3 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

someone is claiming to be from the art department in Bioware on /vg/.

I smell massive troll.

http://i.imgur.com/fJBTH.png

*shrug* it's possible he's for real, although he directly contradicts the apparent heirarchy of endings by saying that they consider control the neutral option, since (if that pic can be trusted, has it been confirmed?) the rods you grasp in control are labelled BadEnding.

Sounds a lot like what skeptics of IT have been saying. I don't take leaks seriously enough to claim anything, but that sounds pretty realistic.

And don't forget that Bioware also hated us calling the endings red, blue and green even though the file names are labeled red blue and green.

You know it's already been confirmed fake, right?

I just got back to the forum so no I didn't know. Is there a link or something where it's stated to be fake?

Few posts up. It's linked to the exact page in the forum thread, it's about halfway down

Modifié par SS2Dante, 18 avril 2012 - 06:34 .

[paxxton]

What's with the 1M1 pics?

Modifié par paxxton, 18 avril 2012 - 06:34 .

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

someone is claiming to be from the art department in Bioware on /vg/.

I smell massive troll.

http://i.imgur.com/fJBTH.png

*shrug* it's possible he's for real, although he directly contradicts the apparent heirarchy of endings by saying that they consider control the neutral option, since (if that pic can be trusted, has it been confirmed?) the rods you grasp in control are labelled BadEnding.

Sounds a lot like what skeptics of IT have been saying. I don't take leaks seriously enough to claim anything, but that sounds pretty realistic.

And don't forget that Bioware also hated us calling the endings red, blue and green even though the file names are labeled red blue and green.

You know it's already been confirmed fake, right?

I just got back to the forum so no I didn't know. Is there a link or something where it's stated to be fake?

http://social.biowar...x/11508288&lf=8 

Got it. Man that was fast!

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


1543 towards the bottom.

Thx for doing that!

No problem.

[BatmanTurian]

*edit : nevermind.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 18 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[SS2Dante]

ExtendedCut wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

I'd also present the fact that people who take the endings literally are pretty much believing in a god that has the power to rewrite dna on a whim. A magic child in the sky that can teleport people, save someone from an explosion kilometers wide.

And you say the it theorists are taking things on faith? What?

^this. I quote this for it's truth!

We do realize that this is a video game we're discussing right?

For me that ship has sailed the day I decided to check out this forum for answers after my first playthrough.
Now I've been checking out BSN more often then memebase and facebook and it pays.
Because now I know about so many clues in the game, they helped me regain my trust in Bioware a little.

Yeah.  Yesterday, I posted that the ending must have been a huge marketing blunder for Bioware.  But if their intention was to stir people into debate and speculation about the ending, and therefore increase attention to their brand - then maybe the ending wasn't as big of a blunder as I first thought.

Also, look at at the great review scores the game got. Now, if it turned out this whol thing was a clever twist and the DLC isn't bad, most news places will probably bump the score up about 0.5, surely? Imagine how many new "perfect" scores that will generate, and the massive amount of new publicity it will get. More sales.

You're right - excellent point.  Remains to be seen if EC does actually make people happy, but this could turn out to be a huge marketing risk that has the result of making Bioware a household name.

I've also given my reasons that admitting that the game shipped without the ending would have been an insane move by Bioware, and that if they did IT then they HAD to wait at least a month or two. But you may have already seen, so I shan't repeat. (unless asked )

EDIT - about this being a huge marketing risk. Surely by the third installment of a trilogy you're relying on existing customers? I know they want knew ones to, but this is hardly some new IP or anything. People were always going to buy this game in huge numbers.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 18 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[EpyonX3]

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

someone is claiming to be from the art department in Bioware on /vg/.

I smell massive troll.

http://i.imgur.com/fJBTH.png

*shrug* it's possible he's for real, although he directly contradicts the apparent heirarchy of endings by saying that they consider control the neutral option, since (if that pic can be trusted, has it been confirmed?) the rods you grasp in control are labelled BadEnding.

Sounds a lot like what skeptics of IT have been saying. I don't take leaks seriously enough to claim anything, but that sounds pretty realistic.

And don't forget that Bioware also hated us calling the endings red, blue and green even though the file names are labeled red blue and green.

You know it's already been confirmed fake, right?

I just got back to the forum so no I didn't know. Is there a link or something where it's stated to be fake?

Few posts up. It's linked to the exact page in the forum thread, it's about halfway down

Yeah I saw it just as Balance posted the link. They reacted pretty fast to that didn't they. It didn't seem too real thoguh. I thought they weren't calling the voice actors back?

Modifié par EpyonX3, 18 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

What's with the 1M1 pics?

We were just trying to figure out if the 1M1 was forward on one side and backward on the other, rather than just a mirrored asset.

It is indeed a single asset with frontfacing text on one side and backwards text on the other.

[Ravel1992]

ExtendedCut wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

@ BleedingUranium and ExtendedCut

Thanks :-) its just my feelings on it really, I do dislike how it seems to degenerate at times into glorified name-calling and belittling remarks. Not from everyone, but some. It really isn't about the rights to 'I told you so' when the EC comes out.

The moral high ground only goes so far I guess!

I have to be honest that the temptation to post " I told you so " 50 times in one post on the day EC comes out and verifies IT is very strong. But yes, we should take the high road and simply not comment if it happens.

I agree, but to me - even if IT is dead wrong when the EC comes out, it doens't make us idiots for trying to piece these clues together right now.  Even if we are completely wrong - why do some people get so MAD that we are specualting about it?  Support of IT doesn't hurt anyone who doesn't believe in it...

IT is telling them that they are wrong ..twice. First that they were wrong choosing control/synthesis, second that they are wrong about "bad writing". People dont like when someone telling them that they are wrong.

[ExtendedCut]

llbountyhunter wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

OK so the IT disbelievers try to disprove the unlimited ammo gun and, BOOM. IT is false? Why don't they disprove any of the bigger evidence like.

Shepard wakes on earth.
The fact that TIM can control Anderson+ Shepard (or why not just make them kill each other? )

Oh wait. You have, with the infamous "Bioware is lazy" line..

Actually...arg sorry, I forget his name, he's been quite useful with his flycam screenshots and stuff. Arg. Anyway, he's put forward an argument that it's on the citadel. Now, the two problems are the explosion and the concrete rubble, but apart from that he's pointed out that the rebar might actually be cables from the starchild room, and he's also said we don't know for a fact that there was no concrete on the citadel.

Also a few people have suggested that Samara (or Morinth?) has some power in 2 that lets you control bodies?

Oh..... OK....... so the 2km explosion (right before a smaller more direct one) didn't happen?

So TIM became an asari with (whatever condition morinth had that gave her the power? )

I don't remember anything about Morinth being able to control people in ME2.  Can someone remind me? 

If that is true, then their may be a precedent for biotic control of people, and TIM's control over Shepard and Anderson wouldn't be quite so inexplicable without IT.

[SS2Dante]

Ravel1992 wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

@ BleedingUranium and ExtendedCut

Thanks :-) its just my feelings on it really, I do dislike how it seems to degenerate at times into glorified name-calling and belittling remarks. Not from everyone, but some. It really isn't about the rights to 'I told you so' when the EC comes out.

The moral high ground only goes so far I guess!

I have to be honest that the temptation to post " I told you so " 50 times in one post on the day EC comes out and verifies IT is very strong. But yes, we should take the high road and simply not comment if it happens.

I agree, but to me - even if IT is dead wrong when the EC comes out, it doens't make us idiots for trying to piece these clues together right now.  Even if we are completely wrong - why do some people get so MAD that we are specualting about it?  Support of IT doesn't hurt anyone who doesn't believe in it...

IT is telling them that they are wrong ..twice. First that they were wrong choosing control/synthesis, second that they are wrong about "bad writing". People dont like when someone telling them that they are wrong.

I think it's more an inate distaste for weakness. People see us as fanboys who can't take that the ending isn't very good, desperately trying to cobble together some crap to make it right. Not the description of someone you respect

[ExtendedCut]

BatmanTurian wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

@ BleedingUranium and ExtendedCut

Thanks :-) its just my feelings on it really, I do dislike how it seems to degenerate at times into glorified name-calling and belittling remarks. Not from everyone, but some. It really isn't about the rights to 'I told you so' when the EC comes out.

The moral high ground only goes so far I guess!

I have to be honest that the temptation to post " I told you so " 50 times in one post on the day EC comes out and verifies IT is very strong. But yes, we should take the high road and simply not comment if it happens.

I agree, but to me - even if IT is dead wrong when the EC comes out, it doens't make us idiots for trying to piece these clues together right now.  Even if we are completely wrong - why do some people get so MAD that we are specualting about it?  Support of IT doesn't hurt anyone who doesn't believe in it...

I completely agree, but I think in some cases, the animosity towards IT proponents is redirected anger at Bioware onto us by people in the Retake Movement.

Grrr....Retakers...

[Deltakarma]

Im pretty sure no one mentioned the white light before you got hit....... I think that is where everyone should start before going to where you are getting up. Am I right? But I am sure the white light thing is pretty much speculation to a player anyways.

[paxxton]

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What's with the 1M1 pics?

We were just trying to figure out if the 1M1 was forward on one side and backward on the other, rather than just a mirrored asset.

It is indeed a single asset with frontfacing text on one side and backwards text on the other.

So...what does this tell us?

[balance5050]

ExtendedCut wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

OK so the IT disbelievers try to disprove the unlimited ammo gun and, BOOM. IT is false? Why don't they disprove any of the bigger evidence like.

Shepard wakes on earth.
The fact that TIM can control Anderson+ Shepard (or why not just make them kill each other? )

Oh wait. You have, with the infamous "Bioware is lazy" line..

Actually...arg sorry, I forget his name, he's been quite useful with his flycam screenshots and stuff. Arg. Anyway, he's put forward an argument that it's on the citadel. Now, the two problems are the explosion and the concrete rubble, but apart from that he's pointed out that the rebar might actually be cables from the starchild room, and he's also said we don't know for a fact that there was no concrete on the citadel.

Also a few people have suggested that Samara (or Morinth?) has some power in 2 that lets you control bodies?

Oh..... OK....... so the 2km explosion (right before a smaller more direct one) didn't happen?

So TIM became an asari with (whatever condition morinth had that gave her the power? )

I don't remember anything about Morinth being able to control people in ME2.  Can someone remind me? 

If that is true, then their may be a precedent for biotic control of people, and TIM's control over Shepard and Anderson wouldn't be quite so inexplicable without IT.

She had a power reave, which was like sabotage for organics, forcing them to fight for you.

[The Captainator]

llbountyhunter wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

The Captainator wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

If they were trying to indoctrinate Shepard then they simply needn't present the destroy option at all.

Also, religion versus science is mutually exclusive. Religion postulates a being outside of universal laws. This means it works by magic. If there were a great, powerful being, but its abilities could be explained by science, then it's not religion, it's science. It's either outside of science, or inside. Mutually exclusive.

Cutting off some long quotes.

Making religion and science mutually exclusive is wrong.  Miracles are simply manifestions of a law we do not understand, which is what the IT is trying to explain.

Alas, attempting to explain how they're not exclusive to someone who believes they are is nigh impossible.  It is a concept that is difficult to grasp.

"Manifestations of a law we don't understand". Therefore there is system of laws. Therefore this being cannot override them. If it could, it would be breaking these laws. Like I said, a being with all the abilities and knowledge we attribute to "God" that DID obey these laws is not a religious God, simply a large entity like us.

Mutually exclusive.

Edit - the fallacy here is that you attribute the properties of 'magic' to laws we don't yet understand. No matter what "miraculous" things they can do, they are basic laws by which the universe operates. If a being could violate these laws then they don't exist.

Like the sandemanian religion, they believe that everything is unified by god, and the way to get closer to him is to study the world. So they use science to understand the creator.

This.

The more I educate myself, and learn about the world and science, the stronger my faith becomes.  Too many laws and variables to all happen by chance.  That 1 being can understand it all . . .

But enough about religion.  I was merely stating that the IT is more like religion than people think.

[SS2Dante]

ExtendedCut wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

OK so the IT disbelievers try to disprove the unlimited ammo gun and, BOOM. IT is false? Why don't they disprove any of the bigger evidence like.

Shepard wakes on earth.
The fact that TIM can control Anderson+ Shepard (or why not just make them kill each other? )

Oh wait. You have, with the infamous "Bioware is lazy" line..

Actually...arg sorry, I forget his name, he's been quite useful with his flycam screenshots and stuff. Arg. Anyway, he's put forward an argument that it's on the citadel. Now, the two problems are the explosion and the concrete rubble, but apart from that he's pointed out that the rebar might actually be cables from the starchild room, and he's also said we don't know for a fact that there was no concrete on the citadel.

Also a few people have suggested that Samara (or Morinth?) has some power in 2 that lets you control bodies?

Oh..... OK....... so the 2km explosion (right before a smaller more direct one) didn't happen?

So TIM became an asari with (whatever condition morinth had that gave her the power? )

I don't remember anything about Morinth being able to control people in ME2.  Can someone remind me? 

If that is true, then their may be a precedent for biotic control of people, and TIM's control over Shepard and Anderson wouldn't be quite so inexplicable without IT.

Can't confirm, but they did give the name of the move. However, a lot of the biotic powers are simply gameplay mechanics, the only ones I've ever seen actually used storywise are push and barrier. It's still a bit of a stretch.

[Rksmithers]

you know i bet the reason the anti IT people keep coming on here is because they do believe it, they just dont want to so they are trying to bash it and destroy it out of desperation...................

[ExtendedCut]

SS2Dante wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

I'd also present the fact that people who take the endings literally are pretty much believing in a god that has the power to rewrite dna on a whim. A magic child in the sky that can teleport people, save someone from an explosion kilometers wide.

And you say the it theorists are taking things on faith? What?

^this. I quote this for it's truth!

We do realize that this is a video game we're discussing right?

For me that ship has sailed the day I decided to check out this forum for answers after my first playthrough.
Now I've been checking out BSN more often then memebase and facebook and it pays.
Because now I know about so many clues in the game, they helped me regain my trust in Bioware a little.

Yeah.  Yesterday, I posted that the ending must have been a huge marketing blunder for Bioware.  But if their intention was to stir people into debate and speculation about the ending, and therefore increase attention to their brand - then maybe the ending wasn't as big of a blunder as I first thought.

Also, look at at the great review scores the game got. Now, if it turned out this whol thing was a clever twist and the DLC isn't bad, most news places will probably bump the score up about 0.5, surely? Imagine how many new "perfect" scores that will generate, and the massive amount of new publicity it will get. More sales.

You're right - excellent point.  Remains to be seen if EC does actually make people happy, but this could turn out to be a huge marketing risk that has the result of making Bioware a household name.

I've also given my reasons that admitting that the game shipped without the ending would have been an insane move by Bioware, and that if they did IT then they HAD to wait at least a month or two. But you may have already seen, so I shan't repeat. (unless asked )

EDIT - about this being a huge marketing risk. Surely by the third installment of a trilogy you're relying on existing customers? I know they want knew ones to, but this is hardly some new IP or anything. People were always going to buy this game in huge numbers.

Well, I do agree that if they really were crazy enough to do this - the end of the third installment of a trilogy would be the time to do it.

[BatmanTurian]

ExtendedCut wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

OK so the IT disbelievers try to disprove the unlimited ammo gun and, BOOM. IT is false? Why don't they disprove any of the bigger evidence like.

Shepard wakes on earth.
The fact that TIM can control Anderson+ Shepard (or why not just make them kill each other? )

Oh wait. You have, with the infamous "Bioware is lazy" line..

Actually...arg sorry, I forget his name, he's been quite useful with his flycam screenshots and stuff. Arg. Anyway, he's put forward an argument that it's on the citadel. Now, the two problems are the explosion and the concrete rubble, but apart from that he's pointed out that the rebar might actually be cables from the starchild room, and he's also said we don't know for a fact that there was no concrete on the citadel.

Also a few people have suggested that Samara (or Morinth?) has some power in 2 that lets you control bodies?

Oh..... OK....... so the 2km explosion (right before a smaller more direct one) didn't happen?

So TIM became an asari with (whatever condition morinth had that gave her the power? )

I don't remember anything about Morinth being able to control people in ME2.  Can someone remind me? 

If that is true, then their may be a precedent for biotic control of people, and TIM's control over Shepard and Anderson wouldn't be quite so inexplicable without IT.

It was at the tail end of Samara's loyalty mission. Morinth used some kind of paralyzing mind control power. Shep knew he/she was being controlled inside but couldn't verbalize it or break the control.

[balance5050]

paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What's with the 1M1 pics?

We were just trying to figure out if the 1M1 was forward on one side and backward on the other, rather than just a mirrored asset.

It is indeed a single asset with frontfacing text on one side and backwards text on the other.

So...what does this tell us?

Not a lot, but when compared to similar assets found throughout singleplayer and MP, ALL text is forward on BOTH sides. Just a sign that this asset is very unique to the end.

Modifié par balance5050, 18 avril 2012 - 06:41 .

[SS2Dante]

ExtendedCut wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Drift Avalii wrote...

@ BleedingUranium and ExtendedCut

Thanks :-) its just my feelings on it really, I do dislike how it seems to degenerate at times into glorified name-calling and belittling remarks. Not from everyone, but some. It really isn't about the rights to 'I told you so' when the EC comes out.

The moral high ground only goes so far I guess!

I have to be honest that the temptation to post " I told you so " 50 times in one post on the day EC comes out and verifies IT is very strong. But yes, we should take the high road and simply not comment if it happens.

I agree, but to me - even if IT is dead wrong when the EC comes out, it doens't make us idiots for trying to piece these clues together right now.  Even if we are completely wrong - why do some people get so MAD that we are specualting about it?  Support of IT doesn't hurt anyone who doesn't believe in it...

I completely agree, but I think in some cases, the animosity towards IT proponents is redirected anger at Bioware onto us by people in the Retake Movement.

Grrr....Retakers...

Let us deflect the hate onto another group! Arg!

[llbountyhunter]

ExtendedCut wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

OK so the IT disbelievers try to disprove the unlimited ammo gun and, BOOM. IT is false? Why don't they disprove any of the bigger evidence like.

Shepard wakes on earth.
The fact that TIM can control Anderson+ Shepard (or why not just make them kill each other? )

Oh wait. You have, with the infamous "Bioware is lazy" line..

Actually...arg sorry, I forget his name, he's been quite useful with his flycam screenshots and stuff. Arg. Anyway, he's put forward an argument that it's on the citadel. Now, the two problems are the explosion and the concrete rubble, but apart from that he's pointed out that the rebar might actually be cables from the starchild room, and he's also said we don't know for a fact that there was no concrete on the citadel.

Also a few people have suggested that Samara (or Morinth?) has some power in 2 that lets you control bodies?

Oh..... OK....... so the 2km explosion (right before a smaller more direct one) didn't happen?

So TIM became an asari with (whatever condition morinth had that gave her the power? )

I don't remember anything about Morinth being able to control people in ME2.  Can someone remind me? 

If that is true, then their may be a precedent for biotic control of people, and TIM's control over Shepard and Anderson wouldn't be quite so inexplicable without IT.

She has a power that was similar to AI hacking, but for organics. Only thing is TIM. Isn't biotic (based off the books)

And if he did have this power why not just make them kill themselves? (if he WAS really there....)

[EpyonX3]

One thing I can deduce from the fake leak is what the bioware employee stated.

"In fact, we aren't yet at a state in production where mr "art monkey" could even see what he is describing."

Doesn't that suggest that they're making the new content from scratch and it wasn't planned?

Either that or Mr. Gamble might be stretching the truth a bit.

[ExtendedCut]

balance5050 wrote...

ExtendedCut wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

OK so the IT disbelievers try to disprove the unlimited ammo gun and, BOOM. IT is false? Why don't they disprove any of the bigger evidence like.

Shepard wakes on earth.
The fact that TIM can control Anderson+ Shepard (or why not just make them kill each other? )

Oh wait. You have, with the infamous "Bioware is lazy" line..

Actually...arg sorry, I forget his name, he's been quite useful with his flycam screenshots and stuff. Arg. Anyway, he's put forward an argument that it's on the citadel. Now, the two problems are the explosion and the concrete rubble, but apart from that he's pointed out that the rebar might actually be cables from the starchild room, and he's also said we don't know for a fact that there was no concrete on the citadel.

Also a few people have suggested that Samara (or Morinth?) has some power in 2 that lets you control bodies?

Oh..... OK....... so the 2km explosion (right before a smaller more direct one) didn't happen?

So TIM became an asari with (whatever condition morinth had that gave her the power? )

I don't remember anything about Morinth being able to control people in ME2.  Can someone remind me? 

If that is true, then their may be a precedent for biotic control of people, and TIM's control over Shepard and Anderson wouldn't be quite so inexplicable without IT.

She had a power reave, which was like sabotage for organics, forcing them to fight for you.

Okay, I remember now.  Actually, Samara's power was Reave, Morinth's was Dominate, but Dominate does indeed allow some limited body-control of organics.  Thanks a lot for the info!

Is there any mention of TIM being biotic, anywhere?

EDIT: Just read lbountyhunter's post - apparently TIM is not biotic.  So there goes that non-IT explanation.  I guess it's back to IT being the only thing that makes sense about the "weird-black-wavy-lines-causing-body-control".

Modifié par ExtendedCut, 18 avril 2012 - 06:49 .