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[FreedMason]

SubAstris wrote...

How exactly is the Citadel Run weird? Is that really good enough evidence for IT anyway?

I meant that it differed from other games and how they depict the protagonist being shell-shocked. In games like Call of Duty, these moments scream "OMG, you are dying, hurry up!" In ME3, Shepard is seen slowly walking, similar to the dream sequences throughout this episode. There are no heart-thumping sound effects, or Shepard gasping and wheezing for air. In the Citadel, nothing Anderson says make any sense, and the whole confrontation with The Illusive Man seemed really bizarre with the oily shadows, and what sounded like Reaper grumbling.

[EpyonX3]

By the way I noticed that the shifting walls are just those electric panels.

Don't know if anyone else noticed but the walls actually do move. I might be late to the party but just in case I'm not here's a quick clip that shows it.



This gives a good indication that Anderson was way ahead of you before the doors to your hallway opened.

[EpyonX3]

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


I don't think so. The reason the queen saw it was because she sees the world through sound, and other mediums. No other species has mentioned oily shadows. Only headaches, and eaeling watched. Shepard turns what he hears into a reality in his dreams. Its how he thinks it should look. Imo

This^ is what I'm leaning towards.

But how do we explain the ones we saw in ME1 when Saren turned into a husk?

That the lines signify indoctrination?

EDIT: or reaper control rather.

Yes but Shepard wasn't dreaming in ME1. So how can we assume that the lines are a product of a dream when they've been seen before in reality?

[llbountyhunter]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Bounty
Yes. It's why I believe it has to be in shep's head. Tim wouldn't, in reality, swap his views like that. He's shepard's foil. They both in reality believe their way is the right and best way. both are uncompromising in their beliefs in reality, but when we get to the citadel scene and choice area both lose that aspect of their character.

Batman, i'm just giving my perspective to hopefully strengthen the theoryt as well. I've been ranted at for being an it hater in this thread a couple of times when I've played devil's advocate as well.

Is paxxton playing devils advocate as well? I knew it! Someone sane couldn't possibly believe Tim sprayed the air with nanites .... right?

[xvsero]

 I have been looking into this theory for about a month. I see how this theory could work and at the same time I see that there are parts in this that kinda makes the theory filled with some missing information. As far as I know there is no mention of Liara or other squadmembers in this theory as being Indoctrinated. Liara would be the closest to being indoctrinated out of all of them including Shepard. I've seen that many people mention that that the God child is a deus ex machina (a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object.) I have never seen anything in fighting the reapers as an unsolvable problem and nor does he actully make a decision for you except explain the ways you can go. Also I want to know what all of you will do if the ending stays the same no matter what come out. Feel free to send me an e-mail at edmon555@hotmail.com with you answers because I dont really check up on this. 

[BatmanTurian]

Hawk227 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


I don't think so. The reason the queen saw it was because she sees the world through sound, and other mediums. No other species has mentioned oily shadows. Only headaches, and eaeling watched. Shepard turns what he hears into a reality in his dreams. Its how he thinks it should look. Imo

This^ is what I'm leaning towards.

But how do we explain the ones we saw in ME1 when Saren turned into a husk?

I just finished ME1, and I don't remember wavy lines when Saren turned into a husk. Not saying it didn't happen. At the beginning of that convo at the council chamber, Saren tells you that Sovereign provided him with some upgrades. So when Saren dies, sovereign activates/controls those upgrades as Husk Saren.

7:20 when dead Saren is taken over by Sovereign. Video is dark so I don't know, but the reaper red energy is going on and there might be wavy lines. hard for me to say.

[paxxton]

So no one seems to be interested in discussing "swarms of nanites" from Sanctuary.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 avril 2012 - 08:10 .

[SS2Dante]

EpyonX3 wrote...

By the way I noticed that the shifting walls are just those electric panels.

Don't know if anyone else noticed but the walls actually do move. I might be late to the party but just in case I'm not here's a quick clip that shows it.



This gives a good indication that Anderson was way ahead of you before the doors to your hallway opened.

Yeah but there is only one entrance into the final room. Assuming Anderson started in roughly the same area as you, the entire middle section you were in would have to rotate to connect it to the entrance. That's a hell of a bizarre design.

[balance5050]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


I don't think so. The reason the queen saw it was because she sees the world through sound, and other mediums. No other species has mentioned oily shadows. Only headaches, and eaeling watched. Shepard turns what he hears into a reality in his dreams. Its how he thinks it should look. Imo

This^ is what I'm leaning towards.

But how do we explain the ones we saw in ME1 when Saren turned into a husk?

That the lines signify indoctrination?

EDIT: or reaper control rather.

Yes but Shepard wasn't dreaming in ME1. So how can we assume that the lines are a product of a dream when they've been seen before in reality?

It's simply to signify reaper indoctrination, these effects seem to be magnified by the dream.

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


I don't think so. The reason the queen saw it was because she sees the world through sound, and other mediums. No other species has mentioned oily shadows. Only headaches, and eaeling watched. Shepard turns what he hears into a reality in his dreams. Its how he thinks it should look. Imo

This^ is what I'm leaning towards.

But how do we explain the ones we saw in ME1 when Saren turned into a husk?

That the lines signify indoctrination?

EDIT: or reaper control rather.

Yes but Shepard wasn't dreaming in ME1. So how can we assume that the lines are a product of a dream when they've been seen before in reality?

I really don't remember any lines.... can someone post a pic?

[Golferguy758]

It's a funny thought I just had. Tim running up to an unconscious shepard. Spraying his face with nanites, twirling a fake mustache before tip-toeing away snickering.

[EpyonX3]

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


I don't think so. The reason the queen saw it was because she sees the world through sound, and other mediums. No other species has mentioned oily shadows. Only headaches, and eaeling watched. Shepard turns what he hears into a reality in his dreams. Its how he thinks it should look. Imo

This^ is what I'm leaning towards.

But how do we explain the ones we saw in ME1 when Saren turned into a husk?

I can honestly say I don't remember that... can you post a pic or something.. I really don't remember that.

It's hard to see from the quality, but you can tell that the edges are warped similarly to the warping in ME 3 and have a dark shade to them. They're not as dark either but they're there.

[EpyonX3]

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

By the way I noticed that the shifting walls are just those electric panels.

Don't know if anyone else noticed but the walls actually do move. I might be late to the party but just in case I'm not here's a quick clip that shows it.



This gives a good indication that Anderson was way ahead of you before the doors to your hallway opened.

Yeah but there is only one entrance into the final room. Assuming Anderson started in roughly the same area as you, the entire middle section you were in would have to rotate to connect it to the entrance. That's a hell of a bizarre design.

Check another one of my videos.

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


I don't think so. The reason the queen saw it was because she sees the world through sound, and other mediums. No other species has mentioned oily shadows. Only headaches, and eaeling watched. Shepard turns what he hears into a reality in his dreams. Its how he thinks it should look. Imo

This^ is what I'm leaning towards.

But how do we explain the ones we saw in ME1 when Saren turned into a husk?

I can honestly say I don't remember that... can you post a pic or something.. I really don't remember that.

It's hard to see from the quality, but you can tell that the edges are warped similarly to the warping in ME 3 and have a dark shade to them. They're not as dark either but they're there.

okay, yeah, your video is better. I can clearly see wave movement at the edges of the screen...

[SS2Dante]

paxxton wrote...

So no one seems to be interested in discussing "swarms of nanites" from Sanctuary.

I thought someone pointed out that these nanites turn people into Husks?

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

So no one seems to be interested in discussing "swarms of nanites" from Sanctuary.

Don't those attack the body and turn their victimes into husks in a matter of minutes? I don't think this is what made up the waves.

[SubAstris]

FreedMason wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

How exactly is the Citadel Run weird? Is that really good enough evidence for IT anyway?

I meant that it differed from other games and how they depict the protagonist being shell-shocked. In games like Call of Duty, these moments scream "OMG, you are dying, hurry up!" In ME3, Shepard is seen slowly walking, similar to the dream sequences throughout this episode. There are no heart-thumping sound effects, or Shepard gasping and wheezing for air. In the Citadel, nothing Anderson says make any sense, and the whole confrontation with The Illusive Man seemed really bizarre with the oily shadows, and what sounded like Reaper grumbling.

Just because they did it slighlty differently doesn't make it not real. You also slowly walk when you are on the original Normandy when it is attacked by the Collector ship, are the ending scenes and that therefore connected?

"Nothing Anderson makes any sense"- Such as?

The Illusive Man, as established on Sanctuary, has limited ability to control organics, which is what he does to Shepard

"what sounded like Reaper grumbling"- ??

[Golferguy758]

I'll replay the mission but from what I remember the nanites are used to huskify someone, not make them susceptible to mind control.

Lawson needed husks to test controlling reaper ground forces not how to control normal organics.

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

By the way I noticed that the shifting walls are just those electric panels.

Don't know if anyone else noticed but the walls actually do move. I might be late to the party but just in case I'm not here's a quick clip that shows it.



This gives a good indication that Anderson was way ahead of you before the doors to your hallway opened.

Yeah but there is only one entrance into the final room. Assuming Anderson started in roughly the same area as you, the entire middle section you were in would have to rotate to connect it to the entrance. That's a hell of a bizarre design.

Check another one of my videos.

I see a few flaws in your video. In that other hallway, there isn't an entry port from the beam. Not to mention, both of them would have been within shouting distance and Anderson would have been seen crossing the bridge.

[balance5050]

SubAstris wrote...


Just because they did it slighlty differently doesn't make it not real. You also slowly walk when you are on the original Normandy when it is attacked by the Collector ship, are the ending scenes and that therefore connected?

"Nothing Anderson makes any sense"- Such as?

The Illusive Man, as established on Sanctuary, has limited ability to control organics, which is what he does to Shepard

"what sounded like Reaper grumbling"- ??

The illusive man was studying how to control husk and similar things, NOT ORGANICS.

[Golferguy758]

I'd also point out that the ring (where the shadow broker tiles go up and down) bends the wrong way.
We are approaching the center of the citadel. The ring should curve away from us. Not towards us

[paxxton]

SS2Dante wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So no one seems to be interested in discussing "swarms of nanites" from Sanctuary.

I thought someone pointed out that these nanites turn people into Husks?

Husk are in the final stage of indoctrination (post-indoctrination) so it could all have started with nanites.

[SS2Dante]

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


I don't think so. The reason the queen saw it was because she sees the world through sound, and other mediums. No other species has mentioned oily shadows. Only headaches, and eaeling watched. Shepard turns what he hears into a reality in his dreams. Its how he thinks it should look. Imo

This^ is what I'm leaning towards.

But how do we explain the ones we saw in ME1 when Saren turned into a husk?

I can honestly say I don't remember that... can you post a pic or something.. I really don't remember that.

It's hard to see from the quality, but you can tell that the edges are warped similarly to the warping in ME 3 and have a dark shade to them. They're not as dark either but they're there.

okay, yeah, your video is better. I can clearly see wave movement at the edges of the screen...

Saren's not being indoctrinated, though :S

Also, we never see this for any other indoctrination. 

Perhaps we're looking at this the wrong way, and the effect (both times) is for the player. Specifically -  arg scary reaper is doing something.

I mean, none of the characters mention in. In fact, before this discussion, it hadn't even crossed my mind that they were seeing it. 

[BatmanTurian]

balance5050 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


Just because they did it slighlty differently doesn't make it not real. You also slowly walk when you are on the original Normandy when it is attacked by the Collector ship, are the ending scenes and that therefore connected?

"Nothing Anderson makes any sense"- Such as?

The Illusive Man, as established on Sanctuary, has limited ability to control organics, which is what he does to Shepard

"what sounded like Reaper grumbling"- ??

The illusive man was studying how to control husk and similar things, NOT ORGANICS.

yes, he was seen trying to control Reaper forces. He was trying to figure out a way to amplify it so he could control Reapers themselves.

[llbountyhunter]

EpyonX3 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


I don't think so. The reason the queen saw it was because she sees the world through sound, and other mediums. No other species has mentioned oily shadows. Only headaches, and eaeling watched. Shepard turns what he hears into a reality in his dreams. Its how he thinks it should look. Imo

This^ is what I'm leaning towards.

But how do we explain the ones we saw in ME1 when Saren turned into a husk?

I can honestly say I don't remember that... can you post a pic or something.. I really don't remember that.

It's hard to see from the quality, but you can tell that the edges are warped similarly to the warping in ME 3 and have a dark shade to them. They're not as dark either but they're there.

I can kinda see it... but to me it looks more like a form of "cackling energy" with a shodowy side effect vs full "oily shadows".... maybe its just me though.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 18 avril 2012 - 08:26 .