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BatmanTurian wrote...

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I found those rebar give me a few minutes. But from what I saw, they don't look anything like the cables in the breathe scene.


to be fair, they're low resolution textures.


I understand. But low res reaper cables look closest to the high res objects in that scene.

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Ok, you won't believe this :P

Right here is where the whispering starts. It's when you walk in and see anderson, a second before TIM walks in.

http://www.youtube.c...fuWNkIUf0#t=28s

Now, moments after Anderson says "Shepard,..I can't" the camera cuts to Shepard with the illusive man behind him.

And you hear the TUM TUM of the Crucible decision music.

!?


Quoting myself because this is pretty important :P

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[quote]llbountyhunter wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

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[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]EpyonX3 wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]EpyonX3 wrote...

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[quote]balance5050 wrote...

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[quote]SS2Dante wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

So no one seems to be interested in discussing "swarms of nanites" from Sanctuary.[/quote]

I thought someone pointed out that these nanites turn people into Husks?[/quote]

Husk are in the final stage of indoctrination (post-indoctrination) so it could all have started with nanites.
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Nanites fast track to huskification and skips the whole "it's in your head" part

Husks *can be* a final stage but it's not like rana thanoptis turned into a husk. If Shep were injected with nanites, he wouldn't be indoctrinated, he would just be a husk.

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Inhaling nanites might make their spread slower. In the end Shepard is turned into a husk anyway (Control/Synthesis).
If he chooses Destroy, according to IT none of this matters because he wakes up and you can consider swarms of nanites as a means to visualize indoctrination (but only outside of the dream, during the dream they should be considered as a concrete piece of technology).[/quote]

They weren't nanites because Anderson was already under control before the wave appeared. 

Nanites clearly go after the subject's entire body like a swarm of bugs. Shepard would have been swatting at himself before he was paralized.

Also, how do you explain TIM's glowing hands?[/quote]

Cybernetic augmentations.
[/quote]
And those Cybernetic Augmentations allow him to control who he wants around him. Why would he need Nanites?

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TIM first spreads the nanites into the atmosphere and then is able to control the victims with his augmentations. It's as simple as it gets. [/quote]

Don't worry I get it. Bioware simply cut the part where TIM sprayed nanites all over the room, then ran off to go hide and wait for Shepard and Anderson.

Makes perfect sense.[/quote]

No. He spitted nanite plasma.
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Ah. Of course... how silly of me.[/quote]

Reposting long quotes is dumb!!! please trim for the love of god

Modifié par UrgedDuke, 18 avril 2012 - 09:24 .


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EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I found those rebar give me a few minutes. But from what I saw, they don't look anything like the cables in the breathe scene.


to be fair, they're low resolution textures.


I understand. But low res reaper cables look closest to the high res objects in that scene.

Sorry to go offtopic real quick, but how do i post images? i can't get any to post.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

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No. He spitted nanite plasma.


Ah. Of course... how silly of me.


It was a joke. Posted Image

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SS2Dante wrote...

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Ok, you won't believe this :P

Right here is where the whispering starts. It's when you walk in and see anderson, a second before TIM walks in.

http://www.youtube.c...fuWNkIUf0#t=28s

Now, moments after Anderson says "Shepard,..I can't" the camera cuts to Shepard with the illusive man behind him.

And you hear the TUM TUM of the Crucible decision music.

!?


Quoting myself because this is pretty important :P


 I do hear the TUM TUM. But I don't know if this proves anything other than that Bioware reused that clip to make his entrance more dramatic.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I found those rebar give me a few minutes. But from what I saw, they don't look anything like the cables in the breathe scene.


to be fair, they're low resolution textures.


I understand. But low res reaper cables look closest to the high res objects in that scene.

Sorry to go offtopic real quick, but how do i post images? i can't get any to post.


I've never been able to figure it out using the form so I just upload my pics to tinypic.com and drag the images into the text area.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, you won't believe this :P

Right here is where the whispering starts. It's when you walk in and see anderson, a second before TIM walks in.

http://www.youtube.c...fuWNkIUf0#t=28s

Now, moments after Anderson says "Shepard,..I can't" the camera cuts to Shepard with the illusive man behind him.

And you hear the TUM TUM of the Crucible decision music.

!?


Quoting myself because this is pretty important :P


 I do hear the TUM TUM. But I don't know if this proves anything other than that Bioware reused that clip to make his entrance more dramatic.


The start of the whispers is heralded by a basey boom (this is a few seconds after the position I've linked). Surely they should have used this for the TIM's appearance?

EDIT - of course, this is not proof, but's another one of those incredibly odd occurences that IT seems to explain but literal doesn't. 

Modifié par SS2Dante, 18 avril 2012 - 09:31 .


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paxxton wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

paxxton wrote...

No. He spitted nanite plasma.


Ah. Of course... how silly of me.


It was a joke. Posted Image


ooooooooooohh :D it would be goofy to see TIM spit Nanites. Miranda would be like " Gross gross gross. "

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SS2Dante wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, you won't believe this :P

Right here is where the whispering starts. It's when you walk in and see anderson, a second before TIM walks in.

http://www.youtube.c...fuWNkIUf0#t=28s

Now, moments after Anderson says "Shepard,..I can't" the camera cuts to Shepard with the illusive man behind him.

And you hear the TUM TUM of the Crucible decision music.

!?


Quoting myself because this is pretty important :P


I want the BGM ripped from this scene, so we can anylyze it. There was one song that I listened to that had some WEIRD stuff but can't find it now, this might be it.

#38936
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EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I found those rebar give me a few minutes. But from what I saw, they don't look anything like the cables in the breathe scene.


to be fair, they're low resolution textures.


I understand. But low res reaper cables look closest to the high res objects in that scene.

Sorry to go offtopic real quick, but how do i post images? i can't get any to post.


I've never been able to figure it out using the form so I just upload my pics to tinypic.com and drag the images into the text area.

ah okay I'll try that next time.

#38937
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see you guys later. be back afterbit.

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paxxton wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

paxxton wrote...

No. He spitted nanite plasma.


Ah. Of course... how silly of me.


It was a joke. Posted Image


Lol for some reason this reminded me of javiks "joke" on James.

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balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, you won't believe this :P

Right here is where the whispering starts. It's when you walk in and see anderson, a second before TIM walks in.

http://www.youtube.c...fuWNkIUf0#t=28s

Now, moments after Anderson says "Shepard,..I can't" the camera cuts to Shepard with the illusive man behind him.

And you hear the TUM TUM of the Crucible decision music.

!?


Quoting myself because this is pretty important :P


I want the BGM ripped from this scene, so we can anylyze it. There was one song that I listened to that had some WEIRD stuff but can't find it now, this might be it.


Not hard. Load up your game :P it only takes about 4 mins to get from the load to here :P If you want I can do it and check, but I can't upload (gave my capture device to a friend not that long ago aaarg :P )

EDIT - sorry, thought you meant you wanted the BGM gone, not taken and analysed. I'm not sure it has any, most of the stuff would qualify as effects (whispers, lighning bolts, ambient echoing, and the single tum tum). Music only comes in later in the scene.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 18 avril 2012 - 09:35 .


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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

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Also, where the hell did the gun come from? :P Anderson definitely didn't have it, and neither does TIM.


Anderson has that gun moments before the run to the citadel. After the laser, Shep picks it up, which makes no sense because Anderson was behind him.


This is another Bioware slip up. The only reason I believe this is because even in certain in game cinemtatics, you're given a gun you didn't carry into the mission. They could have just given it to you becuase any other gun wouldn't fit the final scenes.


The only reason it stands out to me is because this specific model is important to Shepard, It's the model that Mordin gives you in ME2, Anderson has it, and if you shoot Mordin on Tuchanka, you throw the gun away in disgust.

Also, it has the word caution on it, which us it'ers like to attribute as a warning about something. But I won't read to much into this for now.


I agree that I'm not sure that actual gun is significant.  Between all the cutscenes on ME3, Shepard randomly switches between that pistol, the Avenger Assault rifle, and the gun you are actually using, depending on the scene. 

Although it is true, I think, that the ending is first time in the whole trilogy that Shepard just has a random gun available with no explanation in a playable scene.  Isn't it?

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SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, you won't believe this :P

Right here is where the whispering starts. It's when you walk in and see anderson, a second before TIM walks in.

http://www.youtube.c...fuWNkIUf0#t=28s

Now, moments after Anderson says "Shepard,..I can't" the camera cuts to Shepard with the illusive man behind him.

And you hear the TUM TUM of the Crucible decision music.

!?


Quoting myself because this is pretty important :P


I want the BGM ripped from this scene, so we can anylyze it. There was one song that I listened to that had some WEIRD stuff but can't find it now, this might be it.


Not hard. Load up your game :P it only takes about 4 mins to get from the load to here :P If you want I can do it and check, but I can't upload (gave my capture device to a friend not that long ago aaarg :P )


Yeah, Im gonna go in this scene and turn all sound off except BGM and record it.

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balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, you won't believe this :P

Right here is where the whispering starts. It's when you walk in and see anderson, a second before TIM walks in.

http://www.youtube.c...fuWNkIUf0#t=28s

Now, moments after Anderson says "Shepard,..I can't" the camera cuts to Shepard with the illusive man behind him.

And you hear the TUM TUM of the Crucible decision music.

!?


Quoting myself because this is pretty important :P


I want the BGM ripped from this scene, so we can anylyze it. There was one song that I listened to that had some WEIRD stuff but can't find it now, this might be it.


Not hard. Load up your game :P it only takes about 4 mins to get from the load to here :P If you want I can do it and check, but I can't upload (gave my capture device to a friend not that long ago aaarg :P )


Yeah, Im gonna go in this scene and turn all sound off except BGM and record it.


Like I said, I'm not sure it has any BGM to speak of, it's mostly effects stuff.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I found those rebar give me a few minutes. But from what I saw, they don't look anything like the cables in the breathe scene.


to be fair, they're low resolution textures.


I understand. But low res reaper cables look closest to the high res objects in that scene.

Sorry to go offtopic real quick, but how do i post images? i can't get any to post.


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The link to the image goes in the middle (www...)

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Double post

Modifié par balance5050, 18 avril 2012 - 09:52 .


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SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, you won't believe this :P

Right here is where the whispering starts. It's when you walk in and see anderson, a second before TIM walks in.

http://www.youtube.c...fuWNkIUf0#t=28s

Now, moments after Anderson says "Shepard,..I can't" the camera cuts to Shepard with the illusive man behind him.

And you hear the TUM TUM of the Crucible decision music.

!?


Quoting myself because this is pretty important :P


I want the BGM ripped from this scene, so we can anylyze it. There was one song that I listened to that had some WEIRD stuff but can't find it now, this might be it.


Not hard. Load up your game :P it only takes about 4 mins to get from the load to here :P If you want I can do it and check, but I can't upload (gave my capture device to a friend not that long ago aaarg :P )


Yeah, Im gonna go in this scene and turn all sound off except BGM and record it.


Like I said, I'm not sure it has any BGM to speak of, it's mostly effects stuff.


There is music. The "DUN-DUNN" is part of it, it does this right when TIM shows up basically. The whispers aren't  part of it, so know I'll just do SFX now.

Modifié par balance5050, 18 avril 2012 - 09:53 .


#38946
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balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, you won't believe this :P

Right here is where the whispering starts. It's when you walk in and see anderson, a second before TIM walks in.

http://www.youtube.c...fuWNkIUf0#t=28s

Now, moments after Anderson says "Shepard,..I can't" the camera cuts to Shepard with the illusive man behind him.

And you hear the TUM TUM of the Crucible decision music.

!?


Quoting myself because this is pretty important :P


I want the BGM ripped from this scene, so we can anylyze it. There was one song that I listened to that had some WEIRD stuff but can't find it now, this might be it.


Not hard. Load up your game :P it only takes about 4 mins to get from the load to here :P If you want I can do it and check, but I can't upload (gave my capture device to a friend not that long ago aaarg :P )


Yeah, Im gonna go in this scene and turn all sound off except BGM and record it.


Like I said, I'm not sure it has any BGM to speak of, it's mostly effects stuff.


There is music. The "DUN-DUNN" is part of it, but the whispers aren't, so know I'll just do SFX.


Well well. Good work :)

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SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Ok, you won't believe this :P

Right here is where the whispering starts. It's when you walk in and see anderson, a second before TIM walks in.

http://www.youtube.c...fuWNkIUf0#t=28s

Now, moments after Anderson says "Shepard,..I can't" the camera cuts to Shepard with the illusive man behind him.

And you hear the TUM TUM of the Crucible decision music.

!?


Quoting myself because this is pretty important :P


I want the BGM ripped from this scene, so we can anylyze it. There was one song that I listened to that had some WEIRD stuff but can't find it now, this might be it.


Not hard. Load up your game :P it only takes about 4 mins to get from the load to here :P If you want I can do it and check, but I can't upload (gave my capture device to a friend not that long ago aaarg :P )


Yeah, Im gonna go in this scene and turn all sound off except BGM and record it.


Like I said, I'm not sure it has any BGM to speak of, it's mostly effects stuff.


There is music. The "DUN-DUNN" is part of it, but the whispers aren't, so know I'll just do SFX.


Well well. Good work :)


See this is what i'd rather do. look at the game and its many peices. Rather than argue what if's and opinion vs opinion.

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Well, there's whisper's right when TIM shows up, but the rest of the time it's the electricity in hall ways farther back. However, there are times when we he the low pitched growl sound without the more intense shadowy effect. Is this just to emphasize TIM's word's or something more?

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Also, every single thing you hear on the slo-mo walk to the beam, is a sound effect.

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@EpyonX3 I think that's what a lot of us would rather do, unfortunately the circumstances aren't ideal since we don't have "testible" evidence in the standard sense.

And balance, the reaper growls are spread throughout the conversation and happen at quite telling moments. One of the first ones is when TIM is speaking about how the first humans wanted to "destroy the relays *growl*". You can go through the entire vid if you want and see. TBH I didn't think these were hidden, cos I remember them being quite loud :S