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balance5050 wrote...

Well, there's whisper's right when TIM shows up, but the rest of the time it's the electricity in hall ways farther back. However, there are times when we he the low pitched growl sound without the more intense shadowy effect. Is this just to emphasize TIM's word's or something more?


No. Those are nanites buzzing. Posted Image

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balance5050 wrote...

Well, there's whisper's right when TIM shows up, but the rest of the time it's the electricity in hall ways farther back. However, there are times when we he the low pitched growl sound without the more intense shadowy effect. Is this just to emphasize TIM's word's or something more?


My theory(I know, I know) is that the secondary sound without the lines are TIMs effects wearing off. I've noticed that TIM cranks it up shortly after that sound. Suggesting once more that his new powers are barely enough to keep two people still in one place. 

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balance5050 wrote...

Also, every single thing you hear on the slo-mo walk to the beam, is a sound effect.


EVEN MORE and more creative, elegant, in my opinion, check this out and keep playing it till the end:

www.youtube.com/watch

This is the track that plays during the dream sequences. And somewhere from the middle of the track on you'll hear lower piano keys becoming more prominent.
And at the end there is a key that artificially(by synth) drags on, more then it sould be for a normal fade out...

...I think it's supposed to be the Reaper sound played on the piano.

So, waddya think?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 18 avril 2012 - 10:27 .


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I just though of something else, did TIM ever actually get his hands on crucible plans? Or was it JUST the part of it that said "The Catalyst is the Citadel"? He got the VI, but it shut down when it came in contact with "Indoctrinated presence". And when you recover it he says "you are recovering me from "reaper forces". So did he necessarily get much info from it?

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paxxton wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Well, there's whisper's right when TIM shows up, but the rest of the time it's the electricity in hall ways farther back. However, there are times when we he the low pitched growl sound without the more intense shadowy effect. Is this just to emphasize TIM's word's or something more?


No. Those are nanites buzzing. Posted Image


LOL! You and those nanites man.

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balance5050 wrote...

I just though of something else, did TIM ever actually get his hands on crucible plans? Or was it JUST the part of it that said "The Catalyst is the Citadel"? He got the VI, but it shut down when it came in contact with "Indoctrinated presence". And when you recover it he says "you are recovering me from "reaper forces". So did he necessarily get much info from it?


No I think TIM got the full plans. He wouldn't need the VI if he knew what the catalyst was.

I don't think the protheans would have included that the Catalyst was in fear of that the reapers found the plans. It was probably a super secret word of mouth kind of thing all the way to the end.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just though of something else, did TIM ever actually get his hands on crucible plans? Or was it JUST the part of it that said "The Catalyst is the Citadel"? He got the VI, but it shut down when it came in contact with "Indoctrinated presence". And when you recover it he says "you are recovering me from "reaper forces". So did he necessarily get much info from it?


No I think TIM got the full plans. He wouldn't need the VI if he knew what the catalyst was.

I don't think the protheans would have included that the Catalyst was in fear of that the reapers found the plans. It was probably a super secret word of mouth kind of thing all the way to the end.

I was under the impression that TIM hacked the VI.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just though of something else, did TIM ever actually get his hands on crucible plans? Or was it JUST the part of it that said "The Catalyst is the Citadel"? He got the VI, but it shut down when it came in contact with "Indoctrinated presence". And when you recover it he says "you are recovering me from "reaper forces". So did he necessarily get much info from it?


No I think TIM got the full plans. He wouldn't need the VI if he knew what the catalyst was.

I don't think the protheans would have included that the Catalyst was in fear of that the reapers found the plans. It was probably a super secret word of mouth kind of thing all the way to the end.


So TIM is an idiot, if he knew more about what the crucible did than us, he should have been diplomatic and TOLD us that, instead of telling the reapers. Thats another kicker in logic for me, he told the reapers before he/they had the crucible. Him being a b**** and going to them before us is where the decline begins.

He must have been indoctrinated before telling them, which would mean that his only purpose was to gather information for the Reapers, towards the end atleast.

Modifié par balance5050, 18 avril 2012 - 10:40 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

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No. He spitted nanite plasma.


Ah. Of course... how silly of me.


It was a joke. Posted Image


ooooooooooohh :D it would be goofy to see TIM spit Nanites. Miranda would be like " Gross gross gross. "


Psh she would be disgusted we all know Miranda always swal-...


stopping there.

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Hai guys, how goes the thread?

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Big G13 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just though of something else, did TIM ever actually get his hands on crucible plans? Or was it JUST the part of it that said "The Catalyst is the Citadel"? He got the VI, but it shut down when it came in contact with "Indoctrinated presence". And when you recover it he says "you are recovering me from "reaper forces". So did he necessarily get much info from it?


No I think TIM got the full plans. He wouldn't need the VI if he knew what the catalyst was.

I don't think the protheans would have included that the Catalyst was in fear of that the reapers found the plans. It was probably a super secret word of mouth kind of thing all the way to the end.

I was under the impression that TIM hacked the VI.


He did. At the cerberus base, Vendetta describes TIM as "the one who disabled my security protocols... the one you call the Illusive man"

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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just though of something else, did TIM ever actually get his hands on crucible plans? Or was it JUST the part of it that said "The Catalyst is the Citadel"? He got the VI, but it shut down when it came in contact with "Indoctrinated presence". And when you recover it he says "you are recovering me from "reaper forces". So did he necessarily get much info from it?


No I think TIM got the full plans. He wouldn't need the VI if he knew what the catalyst was.

I don't think the protheans would have included that the Catalyst was in fear of that the reapers found the plans. It was probably a super secret word of mouth kind of thing all the way to the end.


So TIM is an idiot, if he knew more about what the crucible did than us, he should have been diplomatic and TOLD us that, instead of telling the reapers. Thats another kicker in logic for me, he told the reapers before he/they had the crucible. Him being a b**** and going to them before us is where the decline begins.

He must have been indoctrinated before telling them, which would mean that his only purpose was to gather information for the Reapers, towards the end atleast.


I thought he was indoctrinated the whole game. His purpose was to undermine the alliances effort to build up an opposition fleet.

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Hai guys, how goes the thread?

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LEX0R11, LEXOR11, LEXOR11!!!!! I know I'm gushing, but I don't care. I luvs me some motivational. ( specialy dem blue babies.

Modifié par Big G13, 18 avril 2012 - 10:45 .


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That part from 3 to A looks like a mass relay, the lower portion looks like a turian head. But you're right too, does look like a Reaper.


Well that would suggest that the reapers have had that form since the beginning. Now is that they decided to build a human reaper?


That human-reaper was supposed to be the core, the outer structure of every reaper looks the same.

That's not entirely true, if you watch the outro video of ME2 with the Reaper Fleet closing in, you see some very unique Reaper forms.
Wondering what happened to them as none of them was seen in ME3...

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My theory is that since since Shepard has the cipher that lets him react with Prothean Artifacts, he is the only one that can truly use the Citadel to activate the Crucible (besides Javik, who was the catalyst in the script leak). The fact that the Protheans fiddled with the Citadel adds weight to this.

So if the Reapers already knew all this, they would try to manipulate Shep into using it in "less than ideal" ways. Possibly through TIM, possibly through a ghost kid, probably both.

Modifié par balance5050, 18 avril 2012 - 10:49 .


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Lol, another thing in that scene I hadn't noticed. Here

http://www.youtube.c...zuhLGH1o#t=136s

Shepards shadow wraps around the BOTTOM of the platform. There is no possible way to reconcile this with reality, as even if the platform was see through the shadow going from the hand lines up.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Also, every single thing you hear on the slo-mo walk to the beam, is a sound effect.


EVEN MORE and more creative, elegant, in my opinion, check this out and keep playing it till the end:

www.youtube.com/watch

This is the track that plays during the dream sequences. And somewhere from the middle of the track on you'll hear lower piano keys becoming more prominent.
And at the end there is a key that artificially(by synth) drags on, more then it sould be for a normal fade out...

...I think it's supposed to be the Reaper sound played on the piano.

So, waddya think?



Could be.

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Phew this thread can move fast. I'm not even off of work yet and I'm about 20 pages back.
Can't even find the line to hold right now. Ha it feels like coming home from school and having hours of homework. Except I'm not writing out the same thing 10 times each (well sometimes) and I actually enjoy this.

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I'm going to reiterate this since it got lost in the previous posts, and maybe someone can give me an answer beyond programming goof.

This is a picture of where we are located:
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if we turn the picture as though we were lookign at it from a top down view this is the kind of image we would get:
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Now, for me to bring up a video. low quality, but it is good enough to show my point. Right around 4:32


Note how the curvature of the "ring" is. We are coming from the hallway and it bends back towards us. If we were in Legend of Zelda vision and look at it top-down this is what we would see:
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See the problem? The curve of the structure should be going the other way. Like this:
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Or maybe I'm taking crazy pills, but I noticed that and even more of my bull**** klaxons went off about how wrong this was,

Modifié par Golferguy758, 18 avril 2012 - 11:09 .


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So I just did my first gold round.

Freaking insane.

So many geth primes.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

I'm going to reiterate this since it got lost in the previous posts, and maybe someone can give me an answer beyond programming goof.

This is a picture of where we are located:
Posted Image

if we turn the picture as though we were lookign at it from a top down view this is the kind of image we would get:
Posted Image

Now, for me to bring up a video. low quality, but it is good enough to show my point. Right around 4:32


Note how the curvature of the "ring" is. We are coming from the hallway and it bends back towards us. If we were in Legend of Zelda vision and look at it top-down this is what we would see:
Posted Image

See the problem? The curve of the structure should be going the other way. Like this:
Posted Image

Or maybe I'm taking crazy pills, but I noticed that and even more of my bull**** klaxons went off about how wrong this was,


Well illustrated.

Geddit? Geddit!?

No, really, you seem to be perfectly right about the curviture of the ring.

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byne wrote...

So I just did my first gold round.

Freaking insane.

So many geth primes.

In general:
I think Cerberus is hardest on gold.
Reapers are easiest
Geth can go eeither way.

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SS2Dante wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

I'm going to reiterate this since it got lost in the previous posts, and maybe someone can give me an answer beyond programming goof.

This is a picture of where we are located:


if we turn the picture as though we were lookign at it from a top down view this is the kind of image we would get:


Now, for me to bring up a video. low quality, but it is good enough to show my point. Right around 4:32


Note how the curvature of the "ring" is. We are coming from the hallway and it bends back towards us. If we were in Legend of Zelda vision and look at it top-down this is what we would see:


See the problem? The curve of the structure should be going the other way. Like this:


Or maybe I'm taking crazy pills, but I noticed that and even more of my bull**** klaxons went off about how wrong this was,


Well illustrated.

Geddit? Geddit!?

No, really, you seem to be perfectly right about the curviture of the ring.


I believe the correct statement you are looking for is: Clearly it shows Bioware was lazy. ^_^

But yay someone actually read and looked and wasn't ignored this time! haha

Modifié par Golferguy758, 18 avril 2012 - 11:19 .


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So i finally fixed the damn blu ray laser in my ps3.. i can actually play bioware games now... for some reason mass effect 2, mass effect 3, and dragon age 2 wouldn't work... i guess my ps3 was trying to protect me from the ending.. almost a signal from marauder shields.

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balance5050 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I just though of something else, did TIM ever actually get his hands on crucible plans? Or was it JUST the part of it that said "The Catalyst is the Citadel"? He got the VI, but it shut down when it came in contact with "Indoctrinated presence". And when you recover it he says "you are recovering me from "reaper forces". So did he necessarily get much info from it?


No I think TIM got the full plans. He wouldn't need the VI if he knew what the catalyst was.

I don't think the protheans would have included that the Catalyst was in fear of that the reapers found the plans. It was probably a super secret word of mouth kind of thing all the way to the end.


So TIM is an idiot, if he knew more about what the crucible did than us, he should have been diplomatic and TOLD us that, instead of telling the reapers. Thats another kicker in logic for me, he told the reapers before he/they had the crucible. Him being a b**** and going to them before us is where the decline begins.

He must have been indoctrinated before telling them, which would mean that his only purpose was to gather information for the Reapers, towards the end atleast.


Well he had the plans but I'm sure he was in the dark about its capabilities just like we were. Perhaps TIM's plan was to trick the reapers and the Alliance into getting the crucible in one place so that he could use it.

What he didn't count on was how strong of a hold the reapers had on him. Remember you do things without thinking them through or knowing why. You just do. The part of him that was indoctrinated helped the reapers and the part that was still there was trying to control them.