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[El Diablo]

Sajuro wrote...

El Diablo wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

El Diablo wrote...


This i would be kinda ok with. It does resolve the issue where the developer pretty much tricks you into a game over. Still it would be better if the choise for the ending was a fair and educated CHOISE instead of a Test on how cunning the player is.

For info. I picked the Synthesis ending, It seemed the best way to solve the frankly idiotic nature of the war as presented (that Organics and synthetics must always be at war, or even if that were true that that is a bad thing.)

I don't think a test of the player's wits would be too bad, get you to think for yourself that "Hey, why would control be paragon?" Knock you out of the stupor that some games can induce, more effective than breaking the fourth wall.

This would be fine if the game did something similar in earlier parts. As such a test has not been part of the gameplay before this, thus it is kinda like the game suddenly changing the established rules.

and it's not just the blue/red thing. it is also the fact that this is presented as a moral choise, the question presented is"Which of these do you think is best outcome?" and not "Which of these ansers is true?"

It is presented as that, but in a meta perspective, it is presented as such because the Star Child wants you to see all choices as equally viable like it does in every game with a morality system (since you wouldn't want blowing up megaton to stop sane people from trusting you and stop you from completing the game) If the Shepard lives ending is exclusive to Destruction, then it can be seen as Bioware saying "We said that your goal was to destroy the Reapers, just like last game's goal was to complete the suicide mission and survive, the choices to control or fuse are not viable choices in the game's context."
Maybe I'm stretching, but that's my take.

I do not really think the the goal is to destroy the reapers. It wasn't for me or my shepard at least. The goal for my shep was for to save galactic civilization and life. If the only choise to that is the destruction of the reapers, sure. but the choises presented offer 2 other options to achieve that goal that in my opinion are better (if they were true)

[Lugaidster]

BTW, I was expecting to see turian and drell ladies. Maybe they're hawt!

[JamesYHT]

noobcannon wrote...

TheNexus wrote...

One thing I noticed which has probably already been mentioned. The prompt that comes after the cinematic that comes after the credits says something along the lines of Shepard being a "legend" and that we should await future DLC.

...how can you have non-multiplayer DLC if Shepard is dead? Unless we're going to have "The Adventures of Joker in Strange Jungle World"

after you've beaten the game you "re-spawn" back to before the TIM base. implying that all dlc would take place before hand. unless it's the new post indoctrination dlc

about the "re-spawn", i really don't like it. it makes feel i didn't finish the game!!!! I was  confused when i finished the first time. i was like "what?, am i finished or not? why am i jump back to here."

about the future dlc, totally agree, that's really funny, either a dead or half dead Shepard continue his legendry or more legendry stories lead to the same ending. 

i really don't understand, if the pre-ending stories won't change anything in the ending, what are we fighting for?

[Terraforming2154]

Tamuril24 wrote...

Will anyone honestly buy pre-ending DLC after all this? I won't unless they give us some control over how it ends the game.

Honestly, unless they fix the ending, I just can't. There's no point.

[J1mBlack]

Well we can all rule out indoctrination. Heres some good proof. Shepard was around the Prothean VI the entire time, who could sense indoctrinated presences right? Unless good old TIM rigged the thing, I can guarantee he was not indoctrinated...and if he was, it happened after the incident at TIM's spacestation.

[Leonia]

macroberts wrote...

After all, Shepard has been walking around Reaper indoctrinated people, objects, ships, and bases. And he's somehow entirely immune to indoctrination?

Every time someone brings this up I feel compelled to remind everyone that Shepard is not the only one that has been exposed to all that Reaper tech, what about squad-mates? Aside from Object Rho, squad-mates have been present for all of that stuff. Are we even sure of how long TIM has been indoctrinated yet? What if the prothean VI was detecting Shepard's indoctrination level?

[Auresta]

El Diablo wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

El Diablo wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

El Diablo wrote...


This i would be kinda ok with. It does resolve the issue where the developer pretty much tricks you into a game over. Still it would be better if the choise for the ending was a fair and educated CHOISE instead of a Test on how cunning the player is.

For info. I picked the Synthesis ending, It seemed the best way to solve the frankly idiotic nature of the war as presented (that Organics and synthetics must always be at war, or even if that were true that that is a bad thing.)

I don't think a test of the player's wits would be too bad, get you to think for yourself that "Hey, why would control be paragon?" Knock you out of the stupor that some games can induce, more effective than breaking the fourth wall.

This would be fine if the game did something similar in earlier parts. As such a test has not been part of the gameplay before this, thus it is kinda like the game suddenly changing the established rules.

and it's not just the blue/red thing. it is also the fact that this is presented as a moral choise, the question presented is"Which of these do you think is best outcome?" and not "Which of these ansers is true?"

It is presented as that, but in a meta perspective, it is presented as such because the Star Child wants you to see all choices as equally viable like it does in every game with a morality system (since you wouldn't want blowing up megaton to stop sane people from trusting you and stop you from completing the game) If the Shepard lives ending is exclusive to Destruction, then it can be seen as Bioware saying "We said that your goal was to destroy the Reapers, just like last game's goal was to complete the suicide mission and survive, the choices to control or fuse are not viable choices in the game's context."
Maybe I'm stretching, but that's my take.

I do not really think the the goal is to destroy the reapers. It wasn't for me or my shepard at least. The goal for my shep was for to save galactic civilization and life. If the only choise to that is the destruction of the reapers, sure. but the choises presented offer 2 other options to achieve that goal that in my opinion are better (if they were true)

Good point - but the presence of Reapers as an abominable force bent on arbitrary destruction seems to threaten galactic peace and self-determination for its inhabitants. But it could go either way..

[TheNexus]

DangerSandler wrote...

If they really do release a DLC with the "true" ending, it will seriously be one of the biggest controversies in the history of gaming. Whether that would be good or bad is remain to be seen... But this is Bioware we are talking about here. I refuse to be like others and say that Bioware was "lazy" or truly thought that this was a good ending to the trilogy. There's just simply no way, even if the game was rushed. They *have* to release an ending - and honestly, the hallucination/dream/indoctrination theories are the only ways they can really fix this, whether it was intended or not.

The Mass Effect series has already reshaped how storytelling can be done in a game. Bioware still has the same pull as companies like Blizzard and Valve who can afford to take risks. They built that reputation on games like Baldurs gate and The Old Republic. They've taken a bit of criticism recently, but I still think Bioware is one of the best game companies out there.

[krystalevenstar]

Lugaidster wrote...

BTW, I was expecting to see turian and drell ladies. Maybe they're hawt!

Didn't we see Thane's wife in a flashback at some point in 2? I can't remember for sure...

Anyhoo, I'm off for the night, see ya all tomorrow.

[krystalevenstar]

F3Zero wrote...

Well we can all rule out indoctrination. Heres some good proof. Shepard was around the Prothean VI the entire time, who could sense indoctrinated presences right? Unless good old TIM rigged the thing, I can guarantee he was not indoctrinated...and if he was, it happened after the incident at TIM's spacestation.

Shepard literally came back from the dead, half machine. Maybe the VI can only sense if a fully organic being is indoctrinated or not.

Ok srsly, bed.

[DangerSandler]

F3Zero wrote...

Well we can all rule out indoctrination. Heres some good proof. Shepard was around the Prothean VI the entire time, who could sense indoctrinated presences right? Unless good old TIM rigged the thing, I can guarantee he was not indoctrinated...and if he was, it happened after the incident at TIM's spacestation.

Didnt TIM override the Prothean VI's security protocals though?... Or am I misremembering?

[Icinix]

leonia42 wrote...

macroberts wrote...

After all, Shepard has been walking around Reaper indoctrinated people, objects, ships, and bases. And he's somehow entirely immune to indoctrination?

Every time someone brings this up I feel compelled to remind everyone that Shepard is not the only one that has been exposed to all that Reaper tech, what about squad-mates? Aside from Object Rho, squad-mates have been present for all of that stuff. Are we even sure of how long TIM has been indoctrinated yet? What if the prothean VI was detecting Shepard's indoctrination level?

The best part is what if TIM Isn't indoctrinated - and we make him off himself anyway because we convince him he is? YEEAAHHH!!

[lavosslayer]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

BTW, I was expecting to see turian and drell ladies. Maybe they're hawt!

Didn't we see Thane's wife in a flashback at some point in 2? I can't remember for sure...

Anyhoo, I'm off for the night, see ya all tomorrow.

I"m about to join you in signing off...I am totally dreading waking up and seeing 30-40 pages to read in order to catch up lol...

[Tamuril24]

lavosslayer wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

TheNexus wrote...

 

At the end of this video, the interview with Martin Sheen AKA, the ILLUSIVE man, he says

"Stay Tuned, Im not done yet". He probably shouldn't have said it, but hell, now we know. There is a catch.


 

That could just mean that he was still in the middle of finishing the rest of his lines. But yeah, that could be something.

Or that there's DLC planned in which the Illusive Man plays a role (pre-ending), which I wouldn't find unlikely in the least.

Well since we all know the take back omega DLC is coming at some point I"m sure we'll get to see a fun convo with Aria and TIM...actually I can't wait to see that! lol

I can wait, I won't buy it, fun or not I can't even look at my copy of ME3 atm. Plus it would be another pointless quest that has no impact on the end anyway because of our options.

[TheNexus]

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

macroberts wrote...

After all, Shepard has been walking around Reaper indoctrinated people, objects, ships, and bases. And he's somehow entirely immune to indoctrination?

Every time someone brings this up I feel compelled to remind everyone that Shepard is not the only one that has been exposed to all that Reaper tech, what about squad-mates? Aside from Object Rho, squad-mates have been present for all of that stuff. Are we even sure of how long TIM has been indoctrinated yet? What if the prothean VI was detecting Shepard's indoctrination level?

The best part is what if TIM Isn't indoctrinated - and we make him off himself anyway because we convince him he is? YEEAAHHH!!

Wasn't that basically just Saren part 2?

[J1mBlack]

well...um. Indoctrination means you are basically a machine through the nanites in your blood that allows for it.

The cerberus research facility found that out and its in a log. Its how indoctrination works. So they would be machine regardless.

[lavosslayer]

DangerSandler wrote...

F3Zero wrote...

Well we can all rule out indoctrination. Heres some good proof. Shepard was around the Prothean VI the entire time, who could sense indoctrinated presences right? Unless good old TIM rigged the thing, I can guarantee he was not indoctrinated...and if he was, it happened after the incident at TIM's spacestation.

Didnt TIM override the Prothean VI's security protocals though?... Or am I misremembering?

yes he did...although that was only after they took the device and I really don't remember when the VI stated it sensed indoctrination...if it was on Thessia or not...

[Gardos]

sekkis wrote...

Faulkner ‏ @KenRaves    · [/b]
@BioEvilChris Would it be too much if I asked you something since you work at BioWare? It's not ****ing about ME3.

1h Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris    · @KenRaves Shoot, I may not be able to answer, but I'll try.59m Faulkner ‏ @KenRaves·

@BioEvilChris During the final run, just before the end, are the two squadmates with you killed? I understand if you can't answer. 

Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris Close@KenRaves I don't think we've revealed that yet. Sorry.

Here's the full twitter exchange for anyone interested

They're just toying with us at this point <_<

[Dilandau3000]

lavosslayer wrote...

DangerSandler wrote...

F3Zero wrote...

Well we can all rule out indoctrination. Heres some good proof. Shepard was around the Prothean VI the entire time, who could sense indoctrinated presences right? Unless good old TIM rigged the thing, I can guarantee he was not indoctrinated...and if he was, it happened after the incident at TIM's spacestation.

Didnt TIM override the Prothean VI's security protocals though?... Or am I misremembering?

yes he did...although that was only after they took the device and I really don't remember when the VI stated it sensed indoctrination...if it was on Thessia or not...

It stated on Thessia that Kai Leng was indoctrinated.

[J1mBlack]

Yeah and it also states that he is when you fight the samurai bastard in the spacestation and goes into security mode.

[Tamuril24]

leonia42 wrote...

macroberts wrote...

After all, Shepard has been walking around Reaper indoctrinated people, objects, ships, and bases. And he's somehow entirely immune to indoctrination?

Every time someone brings this up I feel compelled to remind everyone that Shepard is not the only one that has been exposed to all that Reaper tech, what about squad-mates? Aside from Object Rho, squad-mates have been present for all of that stuff. Are we even sure of how long TIM has been indoctrinated yet? What if the prothean VI was detecting Shepard's indoctrination level?

I thought this as well, but it's possible that Shepard didn't get indoctrinated till the citadel or that they were attempting to indoctrinate her and the options finalised/stopped it. For example destroying the reapers was seen as renegade action but in reality she could have been seeing it this way because of the reapers influence, killing them could be her fighting back.

[Leonia]

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

macroberts wrote...

After all, Shepard has been walking around Reaper indoctrinated people, objects, ships, and bases. And he's somehow entirely immune to indoctrination?

Every time someone brings this up I feel compelled to remind everyone that Shepard is not the only one that has been exposed to all that Reaper tech, what about squad-mates? Aside from Object Rho, squad-mates have been present for all of that stuff. Are we even sure of how long TIM has been indoctrinated yet? What if the prothean VI was detecting Shepard's indoctrination level?

The best part is what if TIM Isn't indoctrinated - and we make him off himself anyway because we convince him he is? YEEAAHHH!!

I have considered that and if the ending is indeed a hallucination that would be quite the twist if TIM isn't actually there at all.  It feels way too coincidental (sp?) that his lines are more or less the same as Saren's. As if Shepard is imaging him to be filling that role. And there really is no Big Bad Boss at the end is there? Something is missing.

[FOXY MIKE]

This is an amazing Idea that I hope in some way Bioware considers:

http://arkis.deviant...ILERS-289902125

if anything else I would just like a little more closure I mean I did spend $80 already on just this game so I don't feel bad for asking... I'll spend $10 more for an ending that has closure... not happy or sad... just closure

[TheNexus]

Gardos wrote...

sekkis wrote...

Faulkner ‏ @KenRaves    · [/b]
@BioEvilChris Would it be too much if I asked you something since you work at BioWare? It's not ****ing about ME3.

1h Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris    · @KenRaves Shoot, I may not be able to answer, but I'll try.59m Faulkner ‏ @KenRaves·

@BioEvilChris During the final run, just before the end, are the two squadmates with you killed? I understand if you can't answer. 

Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris Close@KenRaves I don't think we've revealed that yet. Sorry.

Here's the full twitter exchange for anyone interested

They're just toying with us at this point <_<

The more I read this thread the more I believe in this hallucination theory. You could even say I'm being indoctrinated to believe it (har har har). 

Once they start toying with us it's only a matter of time before they give us what we want. Tali, for instance. They poked at us wanting to see her face for 2 games, and then eventually gave it to us. Sure it took 2 years, but it did happen.

[Deltateam Elcor]

What if at the illusive mans HQ that when he said "we have achieved everything we ever imagined" to being luring Shepard into an indoctrination trap and that he/she is in fact the catalyst?