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[SS2Dante]

ExtendedCut wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

So noone wants to explain to me why Shepards shadow is under the platform here?

http://www.youtube.c...czhHtqgY#t=765s

Isn't that Anderson's dead body lying there as the "conveniently placed" platform whisks Shepard up to Starkid-land?

Actually, it looks like TIM. I don't see Anderson anywhere. EpyonX3, don't suppose you could check if Andersons there?

Modifié par SS2Dante, 18 avril 2012 - 11:49 .

[HellishFiend]

SS2Dante wrote...

Lol, another thing in that scene I hadn't noticed. Here

http://www.youtube.c...zuhLGH1o#t=136s

Shepards shadow wraps around the BOTTOM of the platform. There is no possible way to reconcile this with reality, as even if the platform was see through the shadow going from the hand lines up.

I strongly believe in the IT but I dont think this shadow is supposed to be any kind of clue. The shadows in ME3 are INCREDIBLY glitchy. They often appear through and wrap around objects in all parts of the game and in multiplayer too. 

[SS2Dante]

Festilence wrote...

I apologise if this question has already been answered or I'm just plain dumb.

I've seen in a few places people saying that for the Indoctrination Theory to make sense it would rely on the Reapers being beaten by Conventional Warfare.

Am I missing something? I thought the Indoctrination Theory still means potentially choosing Destroy so that the Crucible destroys all Synthetics including the Reapers?

Here's an article that gives you the broad points of IT. If you don't know much about it, great, have a look, and come back with any problems you see with it. Fresh eyes are always helpful

http://www.gameseyev...ing-eventually/ 

[SS2Dante]

HellishFiend wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Lol, another thing in that scene I hadn't noticed. Here

http://www.youtube.c...zuhLGH1o#t=136s

Shepards shadow wraps around the BOTTOM of the platform. There is no possible way to reconcile this with reality, as even if the platform was see through the shadow going from the hand lines up.

I strongly believe in the IT but I dont think this shadow is supposed to be any kind of clue. The shadows in ME3 are INCREDIBLY glitchy. They often appear through and wrap around objects in all parts of the game and in multiplayer too. 

Yah, people have mentioned. I didn't know. Currently trying to figure out where Anderson is during that little scene with the magic lift.

[BruceLeeN7]

So if Shepard is indoctrinated, he/she is going to die even if they fight it off since the indoctrination has a fatal effect of corroding the mind. The codex explains most of the after effects.

[HellishFiend]

SS2Dante wrote...


Yah, people have mentioned. I didn't know. Currently trying to figure out where Anderson is during that little scene with the magic lift.

Did anyone ever come up with a literal explanation for why Anderson suddenly finds a raised platform to sit against before he dies?

[BatmanTurian]

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

You know, I'm not sure how I missed this at all.

http://www.youtube.c...ewKW9bb0#t=495s

Sounds very clearly like Harbinger.

Gonna have to replay that myself. I don't remember the whispers getting that loud the closer you got to the kid.

The only other possibility is that perhaps it's a Krogan? But it only seems to happen when you get close to the child, he walks off and it fades away again.

it seems like the deep voice is harbinger or a krogan talking backwards. It's not gibberish, it distinctly sounds like english played backwards.

[SS2Dante]

BruceLeeN7 wrote...

So if Shepard is indoctrinated, he/she is going to die even if they fight it off since the indoctrination has a fatal effect of corroding the mind. The codex explains most of the after effects.

Indoctrination isn't mind control, it's mind altering. You have to choose to accept it. So in the destroy option you haven't been indoctrinated. in the other endings, yes.

[balance5050]

BruceLeeN7 wrote...

So if Shepard is indoctrinated, he/she is going to die even if they fight it off since the indoctrination has a fatal effect of corroding the mind. The codex explains most of the after effects.

Again, he's resisting indoctrination. He isn't indoctrinated unless you choose control or synthesis.

[n00bsauce2010]

BruceLeeN7 wrote...

So if Shepard is indoctrinated, he/she is going to die even if they fight it off since the indoctrination has a fatal effect of corroding the mind. The codex explains most of the after effects.

Not exactly.. TIM and Saren still had highly developed cognitive function post indoc. and for the most part had a sense of free well and identity.

[SS2Dante]

HellishFiend wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


Yah, people have mentioned. I didn't know. Currently trying to figure out where Anderson is during that little scene with the magic lift.

Did anyone ever come up with a literal explanation for why Anderson suddenly finds a raised platform to sit against before he dies?

Nope.

Would never claim this as evidence, but you know how indoctrinated eyes seem to have the extra rings and the three dots? If you look at some of the angles during the TIM Anderson Shep confrontation...

[BruceLeeN7]

Ahh interesting. So in essence, if Shepard chooses synthesis or control, they have lost their free thought. Thus, destroy is the only viable option for Shepard's survival in terms of free will?

[SS2Dante]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

You know, I'm not sure how I missed this at all.

http://www.youtube.c...ewKW9bb0#t=495s

Sounds very clearly like Harbinger.

Gonna have to replay that myself. I don't remember the whispers getting that loud the closer you got to the kid.

The only other possibility is that perhaps it's a Krogan? But it only seems to happen when you get close to the child, he walks off and it fades away again.

it seems like the deep voice is harbinger or a krogan talking backwards. It's not gibberish, it distinctly sounds like english played backwards.

Yeah on the comments there are a lot of suggestions about how the whispers have been made. SUppose they knew we'd try and find a way to listen to them properly so thy've chopped em up

[n00bsauce2010]

SS2Dante wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


Yah, people have mentioned. I didn't know. Currently trying to figure out where Anderson is during that little scene with the magic lift.

Did anyone ever come up with a literal explanation for why Anderson suddenly finds a raised platform to sit against before he dies?

Nope.

Would never claim this as evidence, but you know how indoctrinated eyes seem to have the extra rings and the three dots? If you look at some of the angles during the TIM Anderson Shep confrontation...

@ss2dante - I'm confused as to what you're implying by your statement?

[SS2Dante]

BruceLeeN7 wrote...

Ahh interesting. So in essence, if Shepard chooses synthesis or control, they have lost their free thought. Thus, destroy is the only viable option for Shepard's survival in terms of free will?

Yes.  That is why you only get the scene of SHepard waking up if you chose Destroy.

[HellishFiend]

Those whispers as you get close to the kid in that dream sequence are nightmare-inducing.

[SS2Dante]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...


Yah, people have mentioned. I didn't know. Currently trying to figure out where Anderson is during that little scene with the magic lift.

Did anyone ever come up with a literal explanation for why Anderson suddenly finds a raised platform to sit against before he dies?

Nope.

Would never claim this as evidence, but you know how indoctrinated eyes seem to have the extra rings and the three dots? If you look at some of the angles during the TIM Anderson Shep confrontation...

@ss2dante - I'm confused as to what you're implying by your statement?

It was mostly a joke. The whole round platform you're standing on has various rings in it and kind of looks like an eye. And we have three figures, standing for the three dots you get from indoctrination. Crazy subtle and could ABSOLUTELY be a coincidence, but just thought i'd mention it

[BatmanTurian]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

You know, I'm not sure how I missed this at all.

http://www.youtube.c...ewKW9bb0#t=495s

Sounds very clearly like Harbinger.

Gonna have to replay that myself. I don't remember the whispers getting that loud the closer you got to the kid.

The only other possibility is that perhaps it's a Krogan? But it only seems to happen when you get close to the child, he walks off and it fades away again.

it seems like the deep voice is harbinger or a krogan talking backwards. It's not gibberish, it distinctly sounds like english played backwards.

And then of course to state the obvious, there are reaper sounds mixed up in the background. What i mean is the sounds a reaper makes when its near you, some kind of synthesized tech sound. Anyway you know it when you hear it. Also, the mouth sounds (like chomping on meat or ripping flesh) are similar to the sounds that came from the Prothean Cipher so maybe that's the effect of it floating around in Shepherd's head.

[BruceLeeN7]

It would seem this theory is highly plausible. To be honest, I would hope it proves true. It made me rather upset finding out I wouldn't build Tali a house on her homeworld :/

[n00bsauce2010]

SS2Dante wrote...

BruceLeeN7 wrote...

Ahh interesting. So in essence, if Shepard chooses synthesis or control, they have lost their free thought. Thus, destroy is the only viable option for Shepard's survival in terms of free will?

Yes.  That is why you only get the scene of SHepard waking up if you chose Destroy.

@Bruce - when you put it like that... yes. but... saren and TIM still had free will (to some extent)
Bioware's writers could handle these post ending-choice options in a few ways. There could be some kind of concequences depending on if you choose synthesis or control and of course destroy has the benefit. But the other two obviously would seem much cooler.

[BruceLeeN7]

@n00bsauce2010
Either way, I would like closure with my LI. That doesnt mean I want her stuck on some god foresaken planet in the middle of no where

[SS2Dante]

BruceLeeN7 wrote...

It would seem this theory is highly plausible. To be honest, I would hope it proves true. It made me rather upset finding out I wouldn't build Tali a house on her homeworld :/

We find it quite plausible too. In fact, there's a lot of weird plot stuff in the game that doesn't make sense literally, but makes complete sense with IT. So most of us see IT as actually far more plausible than the literal ending.

Here, I'll show you the two most recent bits of evidence I've found that are quite convincing. You know how IT says the dreams are the reapers trying to indoctrinate you? And That the entire last section is the same? If you watch the TIM Anderson  Shepard confrontation you can hear the whispers from your dream going on the entire time.

Also, the very second TIM appears in that cutscene you hear the DUM DUM from the music you hear while picking the ending in the crucible. As far as I know, it's nowhere else in the game. This is because the confrontation with TIM and the final choice are the same thing, they just try it twice in succession.

EDIT - also, we're trying to keep what we'd "like" to be true out of this Just cos people say that's why we believe IT.

Modifié par SS2Dante, 19 avril 2012 - 12:09 .

[IronSabbath88]

I believe someone mentioned that the Datapad app, some people got a message from Ashley (maybe Kaidan too, not sure) about how they "wouldn't let her see you yet".

Hmm.. now I know that it could be referencing the beginning of the game but if you remember right, Shepard wasn't allowed contact with anyone besides Vega and maybe Anderson. He was under constant lockdown and surveillance.

Just an interesting thing that probably has no merit but is pretty cool nonetheless.

[n00bsauce2010]

BruceLeeN7 wrote...

@n00bsauce2010
Either way, I would like closure with my LI. That doesnt mean I want her stuck on some god foresaken planet in the middle of no where

Hmm. me too. Here's something a little interesting about Bioware's recent twitter posts after the PAX announcements-

There seems to be the idea that you can only reunite with your love interest if you choose the destroy option and unlock the breath scene (according to bioware). Therefore sorta acknowledging the fact that there is a correct ending to be had by fans..

Anti-IDTers seem to argue with the fact there there is a correct ending.. when bioware also seems to suggest that about extended cut.

Idn about you guys but I'll be picking destroy just for the option to reunite with LI.. because tali is just way too sexy...

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

You know, I'm not sure how I missed this at all.

http://www.youtube.c...ewKW9bb0#t=495s

Sounds very clearly like Harbinger.

Gonna have to replay that myself. I don't remember the whispers getting that loud the closer you got to the kid.

The only other possibility is that perhaps it's a Krogan? But it only seems to happen when you get close to the child, he walks off and it fades away again.

it seems like the deep voice is harbinger or a krogan talking backwards. It's not gibberish, it distinctly sounds like english played backwards.

Second dream is it? Let me see if I have a save. time to get creative people!