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[BatmanTurian]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Has it been touched on that the Citadel might be a giant hub for Reaper indoctrination? Your squadmates even mention how "peaceful" it is, and how you can "forget about the war" inside. Vega says more on that but I can't remember the exact words, "whole place feels wrong, it's like they're hiding something."

It's not much of a reach considering the "Catalyst" lives there, controlling the Reapers. But why would the Reapers need to take over the Citadel each cycle by force instead of just pushing indoctrination on the inhabitants of the Citadel? I think I just gave myself a headache. Thoughts?

It has, and it does make sense, considering the whole thing is one big bit of Reaper tech. Arguments range from that it's simply a safe place because nothing attacked it yet so the people felt safe, to the idea that the indoctrination has to be kept at a very low level because if people started acting weird races might investigate.

Could be why the indoctrination level is low, but would the Reapers really care once they began a harvest what state organic resistance is in? Maybe the Reapers put too much faith in their cycle to worry about significant resistance and have a "bring it on, you are nothing" attitude. Reapers seem to have a lot of pride for machines now that I think about it.

but they also seem to stalk the galaxy and wait in ambush. Build a box with carrots and hay inside with a stick holding it up. Hide and wait for a rabbit, then kick the stick out from under the box once the rabbit is in and seems to feel safe. That's the Citadel in a nutshell, a big trap to make harvesting easier.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 avril 2012 - 01:45 .

[byne]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Has it been touched on that the Citadel might be a giant hub for Reaper indoctrination? Your squadmates even mention how "peaceful" it is, and how you can "forget about the war" inside. Vega says more on that but I can't remember the exact words, "whole place feels wrong, it's like they're hiding something."

It's not much of a reach considering the "Catalyst" lives there, controlling the Reapers. But why would the Reapers need to take over the Citadel each cycle by force instead of just pushing indoctrination on the inhabitants of the Citadel? I think I just gave myself a headache. Thoughts?

It has, and it does make sense, considering the whole thing is one big bit of Reaper tech. Arguments range from that it's simply a safe place because nothing attacked it yet so the people felt safe, to the idea that the indoctrination has to be kept at a very low level because if people started acting weird races might investigate.

Could be why the indoctrination level is low, but would the Reapers really care once they began a harvest what state organic resistance is in? Maybe the Reapers put too much faith in their cycle to worry about significant resistance and have a "bring it on, you are nothing" attitude. Reapers seem to have a lot of pride for machines now that I think about it.

Well, before the godchild's explanation utterly destroyed any cool mystique the Reapers had, they were portrayed as basically being prepared for any kind of scenario.

Seems like having a slight indoctrination to make everyone on the Citadel just downplay any threat would be helpful.

If the Council had actually taken Shepard's warnings about the Reapers seriously, and used the tech recovered from Sovereign to upgrade all their ships with Thanix Cannons, and then started building up a fleet in preparation for the Arrival, it could have been problematic for the Reapers. Better to paralyze galactic leadership with inaction should something go wrong.

Also, when godchild says 'The fact that you're standing here, the first organic ever' is just ridiculous.

Really? In the millions (billions?) of years the Reapers have been harvesting organics, not one has ever said 'Hey, lets take a shuttle to the bottom of the Presidium tower and see whats down there!'

I mean, its not like the godchild's area is hidden or anything, its right in the open.

[EpyonX3]

SS2Dante wrote...

For comparison - here's the bit in the Shadow Broker ship

http://www.youtube.c...f3t3VGZY#t=361s

and the shifting corridor from 3

http://www.youtube.c...Y44zOe4s#t=288s

I'm sure I'm looking like the black sheep here but the only thing that's similar between the two panels is that they're grey and flat. Otherwise they look pretty different and are much smaller. Again, I think they're reverse engineered.

[Arian Dynas]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Wait a minute!

1M1 a reused asset from ME1?




This may make my theory true then, that the Citadel is reforming itself and ended up squeezing those guns back to that room.

It also shores up the other theory that Shepard's mind is picking bits and pieces from various significant ships and sticking them together into one gestalt.

Especially interesting considering it's placement. Right before facing Saren.

What just spent the last 5 minutes re-playing the ending of ME1?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

BatmanTurian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Has it been touched on that the Citadel might be a giant hub for Reaper indoctrination? Your squadmates even mention how "peaceful" it is, and how you can "forget about the war" inside. Vega says more on that but I can't remember the exact words, "whole place feels wrong, it's like they're hiding something."

It's not much of a reach considering the "Catalyst" lives there, controlling the Reapers. But why would the Reapers need to take over the Citadel each cycle by force instead of just pushing indoctrination on the inhabitants of the Citadel? I think I just gave myself a headache. Thoughts?

It has, and it does make sense, considering the whole thing is one big bit of Reaper tech. Arguments range from that it's simply a safe place because nothing attacked it yet so the people felt safe, to the idea that the indoctrination has to be kept at a very low level because if people started acting weird races might investigate.

Could be why the indoctrination level is low, but would the Reapers really care once they began a harvest what state organic resistance is in? Maybe the Reapers put too much faith in their cycle to worry about significant resistance and have a "bring it on, you are nothing" attitude. Reapers seem to have a lot of pride for machines now that I think about it.

but they also seem to stalk the galaxy and wait in ambush. Build a box with carrots and hay inside with a stick holding it up. Hide and wait for a rabbit, then kick the stick out from under the box once the rabbit is in and seems to feel safe. That's the Citadel in a nutshell, a big trap to make harvesting easier.

That's the initial reason I thought the Reapers repeated the cycle, soley to harvest organics not to "save" them from themselves as the Catalyst explained. The Citadel being an indoctrination hub might also explain why the previous cycles have similar events occuring as the Prothean VI explained; creating AI, AI rebellion, splintered factions attempting to control the Reapers. If that's the case then the Catalyst/the Reapers would be influencing the galaxy to better suit their needs for harvest, or "ascension" as they call it.

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

For comparison - here's the bit in the Shadow Broker ship

http://www.youtube.c...f3t3VGZY#t=361s

and the shifting corridor from 3

http://www.youtube.c...Y44zOe4s#t=288s

I'm sure I'm looking like the black sheep here but the only thing that's similar between the two panels is that they're grey and flat. Otherwise they look pretty different and are much smaller. Again, I think they're reverse engineered.

But why would they be on the citadel? The only reason I can think of is Liara using her Shadow Broker position to pass on plans from the shadow broker ship. But why would it be needed? expending excess energy? Why would there be excess energy? It just doesn't make sense that it's there. I can't think of a reason other than what they were originally used for on the SB ship.

[Ravereth]

 Speaking of reusing....

images39.fotosik.pl/1423/cf957d6251375cfe.jpg

It's planet Zorya from Zaeed DLC. 

Modifié par Ravereth, 19 avril 2012 - 01:54 .

[Golferguy758]

Arian Dynas wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Wait a minute!

1M1 a reused asset from ME1?




This may make my theory true then, that the Citadel is reforming itself and ended up squeezing those guns back to that room.

It also shores up the other theory that Shepard's mind is picking bits and pieces from various significant ships and sticking them together into one gestalt.

Especially interesting considering it's placement. Right before facing Saren.

What just spent the last 5 minutes re-playing the ending of ME1?

Heh, I think that was my line when I was doing TIM and Anderson conversation. "Man, Saren got some sweet skin grafts! Did I just load ME1?"

[Golferguy758]

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking of reusing....

images39.fotosik.pl/1423/cf957d6251375cfe.jpg

It's planet Zorya from Zaeed DLC. 

BUT WHAT IS BOTTOM RIGHT BLACK SCREEN?! 

Amusing find. 

[BatmanTurian]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Has it been touched on that the Citadel might be a giant hub for Reaper indoctrination? Your squadmates even mention how "peaceful" it is, and how you can "forget about the war" inside. Vega says more on that but I can't remember the exact words, "whole place feels wrong, it's like they're hiding something."

It's not much of a reach considering the "Catalyst" lives there, controlling the Reapers. But why would the Reapers need to take over the Citadel each cycle by force instead of just pushing indoctrination on the inhabitants of the Citadel? I think I just gave myself a headache. Thoughts?

It has, and it does make sense, considering the whole thing is one big bit of Reaper tech. Arguments range from that it's simply a safe place because nothing attacked it yet so the people felt safe, to the idea that the indoctrination has to be kept at a very low level because if people started acting weird races might investigate.

Could be why the indoctrination level is low, but would the Reapers really care once they began a harvest what state organic resistance is in? Maybe the Reapers put too much faith in their cycle to worry about significant resistance and have a "bring it on, you are nothing" attitude. Reapers seem to have a lot of pride for machines now that I think about it.

but they also seem to stalk the galaxy and wait in ambush. Build a box with carrots and hay inside with a stick holding it up. Hide and wait for a rabbit, then kick the stick out from under the box once the rabbit is in and seems to feel safe. That's the Citadel in a nutshell, a big trap to make harvesting easier.

That's the initial reason I thought the Reapers repeated the cycle, soley to harvest organics not to "save" them from themselves as the Catalyst explained. The Citadel being an indoctrination hub might also explain why the previous cycles have similar events occuring as the Prothean VI explained; creating AI, AI rebellion, splintered factions attempting to control the Reapers. If that's the case then the Catalyst/the Reapers would be influencing the galaxy to better suit their needs for harvest, or "ascension" as they call it.

"Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays, our
technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we
desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist
because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."

So yeah. Straight from the horse's mouth. But then, like I said before, I think Sovereign was a special needs, inferior reaper.

[byne]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking of reusing....

images39.fotosik.pl/1423/cf957d6251375cfe.jpg

It's planet Zorya from Zaeed DLC. 

BUT WHAT IS BOTTOM RIGHT BLACK SCREEN?! 

Amusing find. 

Obviously that panel is there to allow for LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYBODY!

[gunslinger_ruiz]

byne wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Has it been touched on that the Citadel might be a giant hub for Reaper indoctrination? Your squadmates even mention how "peaceful" it is, and how you can "forget about the war" inside. Vega says more on that but I can't remember the exact words, "whole place feels wrong, it's like they're hiding something."

It's not much of a reach considering the "Catalyst" lives there, controlling the Reapers. But why would the Reapers need to take over the Citadel each cycle by force instead of just pushing indoctrination on the inhabitants of the Citadel? I think I just gave myself a headache. Thoughts?

It has, and it does make sense, considering the whole thing is one big bit of Reaper tech. Arguments range from that it's simply a safe place because nothing attacked it yet so the people felt safe, to the idea that the indoctrination has to be kept at a very low level because if people started acting weird races might investigate.

Could be why the indoctrination level is low, but would the Reapers really care once they began a harvest what state organic resistance is in? Maybe the Reapers put too much faith in their cycle to worry about significant resistance and have a "bring it on, you are nothing" attitude. Reapers seem to have a lot of pride for machines now that I think about it.

Well, before the godchild's explanation utterly destroyed any cool mystique the Reapers had, they were portrayed as basically being prepared for any kind of scenario.

Seems like having a slight indoctrination to make everyone on the Citadel just downplay any threat would be helpful.

If the Council had actually taken Shepard's warnings about the Reapers seriously, and used the tech recovered from Sovereign to upgrade all their ships with Thanix Cannons, and then started building up a fleet in preparation for the Arrival, it could have been problematic for the Reapers. Better to paralyze galactic leadership with inaction should something go wrong.

Also, when godchild says 'The fact that you're standing here, the first organic ever' is just ridiculous.

Really? In the millions (billions?) of years the Reapers have been harvesting organics, not one has ever said 'Hey, lets take a shuttle to the bottom of the Presidium tower and see whats down there!'

I mean, its not like the godchild's area is hidden or anything, its right in the open.

I think the godchild might have meant "the first one standing here---" in his presence, with the Crucible docked and ready to fire. The cycle has repeated itself more times than I care to count, and have likely played out the same (Reapers swoop in from the Citadel and destroy any leadership, go system by system, planety by planet, destroying any machinery and resistance, harvesting any advanced organics while the last of the organics try to survive into the next cycle, or figure out how to finish the Crucible.) Our cycle is unique in that Shepard defeated Sovereign and not only delayed the invasion but gave the galaxy some intense reaper tech to decode/reverse engineer.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 19 avril 2012 - 01:59 .

[Golferguy758]

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

For comparison - here's the bit in the Shadow Broker ship

http://www.youtube.c...f3t3VGZY#t=361s

and the shifting corridor from 3

http://www.youtube.c...Y44zOe4s#t=288s

I'm sure I'm looking like the black sheep here but the only thing that's similar between the two panels is that they're grey and flat. Otherwise they look pretty different and are much smaller. Again, I think they're reverse engineered.

But why would they be on the citadel? The only reason I can think of is Liara using her Shadow Broker position to pass on plans from the shadow broker ship. But why would it be needed? expending excess energy? Why would there be excess energy? It just doesn't make sense that it's there. I can't think of a reason other than what they were originally used for on the SB ship.

Since we haven't used this line in a while.

Bioware was lazy.

[SS2Dante]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Has it been touched on that the Citadel might be a giant hub for Reaper indoctrination? Your squadmates even mention how "peaceful" it is, and how you can "forget about the war" inside. Vega says more on that but I can't remember the exact words, "whole place feels wrong, it's like they're hiding something."

It's not much of a reach considering the "Catalyst" lives there, controlling the Reapers. But why would the Reapers need to take over the Citadel each cycle by force instead of just pushing indoctrination on the inhabitants of the Citadel? I think I just gave myself a headache. Thoughts?

It has, and it does make sense, considering the whole thing is one big bit of Reaper tech. Arguments range from that it's simply a safe place because nothing attacked it yet so the people felt safe, to the idea that the indoctrination has to be kept at a very low level because if people started acting weird races might investigate.

Could be why the indoctrination level is low, but would the Reapers really care once they began a harvest what state organic resistance is in? Maybe the Reapers put too much faith in their cycle to worry about significant resistance and have a "bring it on, you are nothing" attitude. Reapers seem to have a lot of pride for machines now that I think about it.

Races settle on the Citadel at least a few hundred/thousand years before the invasion, so it'd have to be low level indoctrination at this point, because if any organic flipped out and they started investigating the citadel, they could shut off the Mass Relay. Once the invasion has begun, the Citadel is usually the first hit, so I doubt they care enough to have some way of modifying how strong the indoctrination is (can they even do that? remotely change the indoctrination ability of an artefact?)

Modifié par SS2Dante, 19 avril 2012 - 01:58 .

[byne]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I think the godchild might have meant "the first one standing here---" in his presence, with the Crucible docked and ready to fire. The cycle has repeated itself more times than I care to count, and have likely played out the same (Reapers swoop in from the Citadel and destroy any leadership, go system by system, planety by planet, destroying any machinery and resistance, harvesting any advanced organics while the last of the organics try to survive into the next cycle, or figure out how to Crucible.) Our cycle is unique in that Shepard defeated Sovereign and not only delayed the invasion but gave the galaxy some intense reaper tech to decode/reverse engineer.

Other cycles could have finished the Crucible if he hadnt killed them while they were trying to build it.

For someone who seems to be in favor of using the Crucible, he sure does go to a lot of trouble to stop it from being made.

[NightRaidca]

http://nerdreactor.c...ign=zergnet.com

Not sure if this link has been posted yet. Just found it and thought the video was well done.

I'm not complicated, and don't pick up on subtlety very well, so after playing through ME3 the first time, it seriously left me frustrated and irritated. But after watching the video in there for the theory, I really can see that being the case. It would be an AWSOME execution if it turns out to be true. It makes my previouse post about my idea of what happened completely idiotic, and actually leaves me embarrassed. I just hope that really is it. If it is, I'll have to give them an applause.

[BatmanTurian]

Golferguy758 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

For comparison - here's the bit in the Shadow Broker ship

http://www.youtube.c...f3t3VGZY#t=361s

and the shifting corridor from 3

http://www.youtube.c...Y44zOe4s#t=288s

I'm sure I'm looking like the black sheep here but the only thing that's similar between the two panels is that they're grey and flat. Otherwise they look pretty different and are much smaller. Again, I think they're reverse engineered.

But why would they be on the citadel? The only reason I can think of is Liara using her Shadow Broker position to pass on plans from the shadow broker ship. But why would it be needed? expending excess energy? Why would there be excess energy? It just doesn't make sense that it's there. I can't think of a reason other than what they were originally used for on the SB ship.

Since we haven't used this line in a while.

Bioware was lazy.

Oh right, that always explains away everything. I forgot.

[Ravereth]

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking of reusing....

images39.fotosik.pl/1423/cf957d6251375cfe.jpg

It's planet Zorya from Zaeed DLC. 

BUT WHAT IS BOTTOM RIGHT BLACK SCREEN?! 

Amusing find. 

Obviously that panel is there to allow for LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYBODY!

Hahaha, THIS 

[Golferguy758]

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking of reusing....

images39.fotosik.pl/1423/cf957d6251375cfe.jpg

It's planet Zorya from Zaeed DLC. 

BUT WHAT IS BOTTOM RIGHT BLACK SCREEN?! 

Amusing find. 

Obviously that panel is there to allow for LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYBODY!

Actually Bioware was just too lazy to even program a scene there!

[SS2Dante]

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking of reusing....

images39.fotosik.pl/1423/cf957d6251375cfe.jpg

It's planet Zorya from Zaeed DLC. 

Huh. Well that sure blows my guess of Virmire out of the water. I never had this DLC so this is the first I've seen of it. Any other planets we've seen with 2 moons?

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

I think the godchild might have meant "the first one standing here---" in his presence, with the Crucible docked and ready to fire. The cycle has repeated itself more times than I care to count, and have likely played out the same (Reapers swoop in from the Citadel and destroy any leadership, go system by system, planety by planet, destroying any machinery and resistance, harvesting any advanced organics while the last of the organics try to survive into the next cycle, or figure out how to Crucible.) Our cycle is unique in that Shepard defeated Sovereign and not only delayed the invasion but gave the galaxy some intense reaper tech to decode/reverse engineer.

Other cycles could have finished the Crucible if he hadnt killed them while they were trying to build it.

For someone who seems to be in favor of using the Crucible, he sure does go to a lot of trouble to stop it from being made.

Well, supposedly (if you take the endings literally) the Crucible rewrites his software. It's equivalent to being brainwashed for us. However, I still think he's Harbinger in a Halloween costume trolling Shepherd.

[SS2Dante]

BatmanTurian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Has it been touched on that the Citadel might be a giant hub for Reaper indoctrination? Your squadmates even mention how "peaceful" it is, and how you can "forget about the war" inside. Vega says more on that but I can't remember the exact words, "whole place feels wrong, it's like they're hiding something."

It's not much of a reach considering the "Catalyst" lives there, controlling the Reapers. But why would the Reapers need to take over the Citadel each cycle by force instead of just pushing indoctrination on the inhabitants of the Citadel? I think I just gave myself a headache. Thoughts?

It has, and it does make sense, considering the whole thing is one big bit of Reaper tech. Arguments range from that it's simply a safe place because nothing attacked it yet so the people felt safe, to the idea that the indoctrination has to be kept at a very low level because if people started acting weird races might investigate.

Could be why the indoctrination level is low, but would the Reapers really care once they began a harvest what state organic resistance is in? Maybe the Reapers put too much faith in their cycle to worry about significant resistance and have a "bring it on, you are nothing" attitude. Reapers seem to have a lot of pride for machines now that I think about it.

but they also seem to stalk the galaxy and wait in ambush. Build a box with carrots and hay inside with a stick holding it up. Hide and wait for a rabbit, then kick the stick out from under the box once the rabbit is in and seems to feel safe. That's the Citadel in a nutshell, a big trap to make harvesting easier.

That's the initial reason I thought the Reapers repeated the cycle, soley to harvest organics not to "save" them from themselves as the Catalyst explained. The Citadel being an indoctrination hub might also explain why the previous cycles have similar events occuring as the Prothean VI explained; creating AI, AI rebellion, splintered factions attempting to control the Reapers. If that's the case then the Catalyst/the Reapers would be influencing the galaxy to better suit their needs for harvest, or "ascension" as they call it.

"Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays, our
technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we
desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist
because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."

So yeah. Straight from the horse's mouth. But then, like I said before, I think Sovereign was a special needs, inferior reaper.

I do actually think the starchild is giving the honest reasons the Reapers do what they do. The Reaper you kill on Rannoch pretty much says the same thing as his last words.

[Leto_Galt]

Given its possible symbolic meanings. Is it possible the 1M1 texture is more meant for the player than for Shepard?

So far I have only seen the 1M1 when your in close proximity to a Reaper. (Sovereign or Harbinger)
Or does it appear in other parts of the game as well?

[BatmanTurian]

SS2Dante wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

 Speaking of reusing....

images39.fotosik.pl/1423/cf957d6251375cfe.jpg

It's planet Zorya from Zaeed DLC. 

Huh. Well that sure blows my guess of Virmire out of the water. I never had this DLC so this is the first I've seen of it. Any other planets we've seen with 2 moons?

Doesn't sound like a nice place to crash: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Zorya

""Mud, sweat and spores," is how Blue Suns
mercenaries characterize the planet that gave birth to their home
office. This lush garden world is known for its heavy plant and fungal
life, creating spectacular jungle zones over much of its eight
continents. Despite persistent problems with rot and rust, Zorya[/b]
attracts investors and corporations from all throughout the galaxy,
since it has exploited only a fraction of its potential resources. The
Blue Suns dominate security contracts on Zorya, so much that residents
describe them less like a monopoly and more like a conquering regime.
"

""Bring firearms and antihistamines" is what veteran guides say about
this lush garden world. First colonized in 2160, Zorya's temperate and
tropical zones are overrun with plants and fungi of all kinds. As a
result, the air in most habitable areas is choked with pollen and spores
that range from benign to deadly. The scattered colonies across the
planet have resorted to clear-cutting and slash-and-burn farming to
create habitable zones, and the more rural areas, where the spores are
thickest are populated only by vorcha.
Lax ecological laws allow mining and manufacturing industries to
flourish and pollute cheaply, as the planet's carrying capacity far
outstrips the current size of its colonies.
Zorya[/b] is also home to the Blue
Suns mercenary company who dominate the colonies' security forces. The
Suns enjoy nearly unlimited influence with local politicians and judges,
ensuring no other private military contractors can compete with them
economically. Nearly every colony has a Suns recruiting station, if not a
training camp, though this has hardly made the planet any safer.
Piracy, drugs and vice, and political violence are commonplace."

So yay, Vorcha, Blue Suns, and a nightmare for people with hay fever.

[Golferguy758]

SS2Dante wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Has it been touched on that the Citadel might be a giant hub for Reaper indoctrination? Your squadmates even mention how "peaceful" it is, and how you can "forget about the war" inside. Vega says more on that but I can't remember the exact words, "whole place feels wrong, it's like they're hiding something."

It's not much of a reach considering the "Catalyst" lives there, controlling the Reapers. But why would the Reapers need to take over the Citadel each cycle by force instead of just pushing indoctrination on the inhabitants of the Citadel? I think I just gave myself a headache. Thoughts?

It has, and it does make sense, considering the whole thing is one big bit of Reaper tech. Arguments range from that it's simply a safe place because nothing attacked it yet so the people felt safe, to the idea that the indoctrination has to be kept at a very low level because if people started acting weird races might investigate.

Could be why the indoctrination level is low, but would the Reapers really care once they began a harvest what state organic resistance is in? Maybe the Reapers put too much faith in their cycle to worry about significant resistance and have a "bring it on, you are nothing" attitude. Reapers seem to have a lot of pride for machines now that I think about it.

but they also seem to stalk the galaxy and wait in ambush. Build a box with carrots and hay inside with a stick holding it up. Hide and wait for a rabbit, then kick the stick out from under the box once the rabbit is in and seems to feel safe. That's the Citadel in a nutshell, a big trap to make harvesting easier.

That's the initial reason I thought the Reapers repeated the cycle, soley to harvest organics not to "save" them from themselves as the Catalyst explained. The Citadel being an indoctrination hub might also explain why the previous cycles have similar events occuring as the Prothean VI explained; creating AI, AI rebellion, splintered factions attempting to control the Reapers. If that's the case then the Catalyst/the Reapers would be influencing the galaxy to better suit their needs for harvest, or "ascension" as they call it.

"Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays, our
technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we
desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist
because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."

So yeah. Straight from the horse's mouth. But then, like I said before, I think Sovereign was a special needs, inferior reaper.

I do actually think the starchild is giving the honest reasons the Reapers do what they do. The Reaper you kill on Rannoch pretty much says the same thing as his last words.

Perhaps originally, but I feel like they kept doing it because they became top dog. And didn't want anyone rebelling against them.

In a way the reapers created us. Our tech is based off their tech. our knowledge is based off a lot of their knowledge. They could be classified as our creators. Their logic that the created will always rebel against their creators makes them want to snuff us out before the point we could pose a significant threat to them. We have already started our rebellion against them after all.
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