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[Leonia]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

DangerSandler wrote...

F3Zero wrote...

Well we can all rule out indoctrination. Heres some good proof. Shepard was around the Prothean VI the entire time, who could sense indoctrinated presences right? Unless good old TIM rigged the thing, I can guarantee he was not indoctrinated...and if he was, it happened after the incident at TIM's spacestation.

Didnt TIM override the Prothean VI's security protocals though?... Or am I misremembering?

yes he did...although that was only after they took the device and I really don't remember when the VI stated it sensed indoctrination...if it was on Thessia or not...

It stated on Thessia that Kai Leng was indoctrinated.

I thought it was referring to TIM, when would Kai Leng have been indoctrinated? It seems out of character for him.

[TobiTobsen]

The god kid is talking **** anyway.

He says that Shep is synthetic enough to die in the "destroy" ending. So why is Shep taking breath in the "secret" ending?

Now little God Kid / Harbinger please go away with you indoctrination and let me play the real ending.

[Vovea]

I think the ending crossed over from science fiction to sciencey magic. That's what threw me a bit. The genre felt like it shifted to compensate for a shock ending, especially if you pick the 'neutral' ending. I felt it didn't fit in with the tone of the other two games, not even the majority of the third.

It's why I love the idea of a hallucination ending, especially the one in which you still destroy the Reapers and end up under the rubble.

Modifié par Vovea, 12 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[DangerSandler]

After Arrival, and Shepards contact with object Rho, I remember Shepard in the medical bay and Hacket asked Shepard how he was doing and Shep said something like "I'm doing okay, no more dreams though" or visions, or something like that. It's been a while since I played arrival DLC. This shows that Shepard CAN be indoctrinated to some degree - he's not immune - he's just resistant it would seem. Which would further support this theory of the dream/hallucination.

[Dilandau3000]

leonia42 wrote...

I thought it was referring to TIM, when would Kai Leng have been indoctrinated? It seems out of character for him.

I doubt it could sense TIM's indoctrination through the comm-link. I think Kai Leng was indoctrinated by all the modifications he received from Cerberus, which used reaper tech after all.

[Leonia]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I thought it was referring to TIM, when would Kai Leng have been indoctrinated? It seems out of character for him.

I doubt it could sense TIM's indoctrination through the comm-link. I think Kai Leng was indoctrinated by all the modifications he received from Cerberus, which used reaper tech after all.

Would TIM make the same mistake as he did on Grayson on his favourite agent?

[Tamuril24]

When you enter the cerberus facility and watch some of the security footage, TIM is about to undergo a medical procedure, was it revealed what that was?

He said something that he trusted the DR and knew she would keep him in line, I honestly thought he was going to indoctrinate himself.

Modifié par Tamuril24, 12 mars 2012 - 08:53 .

[Deltateam Elcor]

Tamuril24 wrote...

When you enter the cerberus facility and watch some of the security footage, TIM is about to undergo a medical procedure, was it revealed what that was?

He said something that he trusted the DR and knew she would keep him in line, I honestly thought he was going to indoctrinate himself.

Probably the signal they created on sanctuary, he will probably use it to control a force, or even a reaper, hell he may be on harbinger right now above shepard.

[Dilandau3000]

I remember that after the demo's release, some people were saying that the kid was a figment of Shepard's imagination from the start (because his behavior is kind of weird). What if that's true? It wouldn't be indoctrination per se, but an attempt to subvert Shepard's mind by implanting the vision of this kid in there.

You could even argue that the kid's "you can't save me" line in the beginning refers to the ending rather than the kid's apparent death during the prologue.

I know, this is ridiculously far-fetched.

[Tamuril24]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Tamuril24 wrote...

When you enter the cerberus facility and watch some of the security footage, TIM is about to undergo a medical procedure, was it revealed what that was?

He said something that he trusted the DR and knew she would keep him in line, I honestly thought he was going to indoctrinate himself.

Probably the signal they created on sanctuary, he will probably use it to control a force, or even a reaper, hell he may be on harbinger right now above shepard.

That is a seriously interesting thought!!

[WvStolzing]

Tamuril24 wrote...

When you enter the cerberus facility and watch some of the security footage, TIM is about to undergo a medical procedure, was it revealed what that was?

He said something that he trusted the DR and knew she would keep him in line, I honestly thought he was going to indoctrinate himself.

I think it's pretty clear that he wants to get 'reaper tech implants', and tells the doctor, that there's really no risk of getting indoctrinated.

[TobiTobsen]

ageofadrian wrote...

I have a feeling that If this is true, All three choices represent an amazingly different end game. I think you don't have to pick destroy the reapers. somehow all three choices would be represented, either by ending up back in the rubble or maybe being 'saved' by your crew if you chose the Synthesis.

By what is happening on twitter, Bioware really have something in waiting.

Sure. A Multiplayer Map Pack

*trollface*

[Deltateam Elcor]

Tamuril24 wrote...

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Tamuril24 wrote...

When you enter the cerberus facility and watch some of the security footage, TIM is about to undergo a medical procedure, was it revealed what that was?

He said something that he trusted the DR and knew she would keep him in line, I honestly thought he was going to indoctrinate himself.

Probably the signal they created on sanctuary, he will probably use it to control a force, or even a reaper, hell he may be on harbinger right now above shepard.

That is a seriously interesting thought!!

It does say in the Artbook itself that they changed him from becoming a reaper creature, instead his main weapon would be his intelligence, so perhaps.

[Camilladilla]

Tamuril24 wrote...

When you enter the cerberus facility and watch some of the security footage, TIM is about to undergo a medical procedure, was it revealed what that was?

He said something that he trusted the DR and knew she would keep him in line, I honestly thought he was going to indoctrinate himself.

It's implied that he's getting more reaper tech implanted or something like that given the state of the man when you finally meet him again on the Citadel since he looks more Huskified. 

[Ziajin]

I was so very disappointed when I beat this. I got the scene where Shepard lives "Takes a breath". BUT! 

I'm confused. The OP did however touch the bases on exactly what I was thinking.

I do hope they release a DLC which explains things, or has the "real" ending.

Yes, I want my FemShep and my beautiful blue alien (Liara) to be reunited at the very end, get married, and have little blue children running around. I want my happy ending darn it! Not this... Confusing bittersweet... Thing that has left me with more questions than answers.

Sadly... I would fork out more money for this DLC if it were to come into existence... JUST to see my happy ending!

[Leonia]

Just out of curiousity (and because I am still listening to the soundtrack over and over), can anyone recall when the track "Betrayal" plays in-game?

[Dilandau3000]

leonia42 wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I thought it was referring to TIM, when would Kai Leng have been indoctrinated? It seems out of character for him.

I doubt it could sense TIM's indoctrination through the comm-link. I think Kai Leng was indoctrinated by all the modifications he received from Cerberus, which used reaper tech after all.

Would TIM make the same mistake as he did on Grayson on his favourite agent?

Unless of course the prothean VI was referring to Shepard as the "indoctrinated presence" and there was simply a delay in the detection. DUN DUN DUN! (I don't actually think this is true).

[noobcannon]

F3Zero wrote...

Well we can all rule out indoctrination. Heres some good proof. Shepard was around the Prothean VI the entire time, who could sense indoctrinated presences right? Unless good old TIM rigged the thing, I can guarantee he was not indoctrinated...and if he was, it happened after the incident at TIM's spacestation.

you just made an argument FOR indoctrination. its all sheps head, thats why it didnt detect the indoctrination. plus some are theorizing you arent indoctrinated until you make 1 of the 3 choices at the end.

[goofyomnivore]

leonia42 wrote...

Just out of curiousity (and because I am still listening to the soundtrack over and over), can anyone recall when the track "Betrayal" plays in-game?

When you kill Tali/Quarians, shoot Mordin, etc basically when you screw one of your buddies.

[Dilandau3000]

leonia42 wrote...

Just out of curiousity (and because I am still listening to the soundtrack over and over), can anyone recall when the track "Betrayal" plays in-game?

When you betray a squadmate, like killing Mordin to prevent the genophage cure or siding with the geth against Tali.

[Tamuril24]

When I think about all this, people saying that bioware have something coming or they are trolling us, why would they be so unhappy on their twitters etc? Part of me things that this is how they wanted it all to go down and this was the end for them. I do feel incredibly sorry for them if this is the case, it must be a kick in the head to see your work torn apart. I just think I need to make it clear that I loved the actual game, it was amazing, its just the ending that has killed it for the majority and if you want to make this game legendary then you should change it or give us another option.

[DangerSandler]

leonia42 wrote...

Just out of curiousity (and because I am still listening to the soundtrack over and over), can anyone recall when the track "Betrayal" plays in-game?

It's been said that, that track plays when you "betray" either Mordin, shooting him, or siding with the geth and Tali kills herself.