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warlock22 wrote...
Sorry to cut in but did Bioware really conform this?
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=32521
Auralius Carolus wrote...
warlock22 wrote...
Sorry to cut in but did Bioware really conform this?
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=32521
Not that I am aware of.
It was believed that their Q&A statements insinuated it during the Extended Cut Press Release, but direct confrontation at PAX came back ambiguous.
I'm sorry...But you need to provide a like to this statement. If not, then you need to refer to the statement at Pax. IT is very much alive.EpyonX3 wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
warlock22 wrote...
Sorry to cut in but did Bioware really conform this?
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=32521
Not that I am aware of.
It was believed that their Q&A statements insinuated it during the Extended Cut Press Release, but direct confrontation at PAX came back ambiguous.
According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut. But I saw no links to this. I'm not jumping to conclusions.
Big G13 wrote...
My question has always been, if the Reapers harvest organic life to bring order to the universe, then why not harvest ALL organic life once and for all? Is it because harvesting is the only purpose of the Reapers? If the Reapers cease to have organic life to harvest do they cease to have purpose, and by extension, cease to exist?Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I love this. This is spot on.
They are our Gods, our parents, our ancestors, and it is in the nature of children to rebel.
My fuzzy backside!
Whatever they were, they're gone now. What's left can accurately be described as demonic: they seek to control, manipulate, destroy and oppress. They aren't satisfied with taking the body, they want the mind and soul as well.
They deserve our rebellion.
The Reapers aren't evil, they're simply... alien, and so far beyond our understanding as to be incomprehensible.
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry...But you need to provide a like to this statement. If not, then you need to refer to the statement at Pax. IT is very much alive.EpyonX3 wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
warlock22 wrote...
Sorry to cut in but did Bioware really conform this?
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=32521
Not that I am aware of.
It was believed that their Q&A statements insinuated it during the Extended Cut Press Release, but direct confrontation at PAX came back ambiguous.
According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut. But I saw no links to this. I'm not jumping to conclusions.
EpyonX3 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry...But you need to provide a like to this statement. If not, then you need to refer to the statement at Pax. IT is very much alive.EpyonX3 wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
warlock22 wrote...
Sorry to cut in but did Bioware really conform this?
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=32521
Not that I am aware of.
It was believed that their Q&A statements insinuated it during the Extended Cut Press Release, but direct confrontation at PAX came back ambiguous.
According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut. But I saw no links to this. I'm not jumping to conclusions.
Ugh you again. Dude I'm not stating anything other than I'm not believeing it until I see it. Relax.
dreamgazer wrote...
With the way BioWare's staff have been talking about interpretations, I'm thinking they'll probably do the smart, "pacifistic" thing with the extended cut and write cleverly non-committal exposition that will still leave it as a possibility ... without confirming it. It'd be a ballsy move to outright claim it to be true, and I'd love to see that, but I think they'll attempt to please both camps at this point.
But you stating that someone at BW said Joker picked them up...I'm just asking for a clear show of that statement. It's not something that is extreme to ask for in an arguement. Even the person who stated that the normandy landed on Zorya provied something to support his clains.(Even if it turned out wrong any way.)EpyonX3 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry...But you need to provide a like to this statement. If not, then you need to refer to the statement at Pax. IT is very much alive.EpyonX3 wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
warlock22 wrote...
Sorry to cut in but did Bioware really conform this?
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=32521
Not that I am aware of.
It was believed that their Q&A statements insinuated it during the Extended Cut Press Release, but direct confrontation at PAX came back ambiguous.
According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut. But I saw no links to this. I'm not jumping to conclusions.
Ugh you again. Dude I'm not stating anything other than I'm not believeing it until I see it. Relax.
BatmanTurian wrote...
Hawk227 wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
well obviously it's not literal since we all agree the end scenes are shepherd's dream. But there is some evidence to suggest Zorya with a touch of Vermire. (mostly Zorya though I think)
Why vermire?
Also 2175 Aiea from Jacob's loyalty mission has a very similar double moon and similar rock bluffs.
Vermire because I'm trying to incorporate Arian's idea since I agree that it's reasonable that they're not ACTUALLY landing on a planet but they could be landing on a composite of planets Shep has been on. It just seems to mostly resemble Zorya.
Also, Aiea is bad. The food is poisonous and causes nervous system damage. I don't think Shepherd would want his/her friends to land on a poisonous planet as a symbol of hope...
balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry...But you need to provide a like to this statement. If not, then you need to refer to the statement at Pax. IT is very much alive.EpyonX3 wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
warlock22 wrote...
Sorry to cut in but did Bioware really conform this?
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=32521
Not that I am aware of.
It was believed that their Q&A statements insinuated it during the Extended Cut Press Release, but direct confrontation at PAX came back ambiguous.
According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut. But I saw no links to this. I'm not jumping to conclusions.
Ugh you again. Dude I'm not stating anything other than I'm not believeing it until I see it. Relax.
I never heard of any such statement though.
EpyonX3 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry...But you need to provide a like to this statement. If not, then you need to refer to the statement at Pax. IT is very much alive.EpyonX3 wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
warlock22 wrote...
Sorry to cut in but did Bioware really conform this?
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=32521
Not that I am aware of.
It was believed that their Q&A statements insinuated it during the Extended Cut Press Release, but direct confrontation at PAX came back ambiguous.
According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut. But I saw no links to this. I'm not jumping to conclusions.
Ugh you again. Dude I'm not stating anything other than I'm not believeing it until I see it. Relax.
dreman9999 wrote...
But you stating that someone at BW said Joker picked them up...I'm just asking for a clear show of that statement. It's not something that is extreme to ask for in an arguement. Even the person who stated that the normandy landed on Zorya provied something to support his clains.(Even if it turned out wrong any way.)EpyonX3 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry...But you need to provide a like to this statement. If not, then you need to refer to the statement at Pax. IT is very much alive.EpyonX3 wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
warlock22 wrote...
Sorry to cut in but did Bioware really conform this?
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=32521
Not that I am aware of.
It was believed that their Q&A statements insinuated it during the Extended Cut Press Release, but direct confrontation at PAX came back ambiguous.
According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut. But I saw no links to this. I'm not jumping to conclusions.
Ugh you again. Dude I'm not stating anything other than I'm not believeing it until I see it. Relax.
There is no one in this topic who made a solid arguement with out proving fact to the claim. To ask someone to do the same curtacy is not a strech.
Auralius Carolus wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry...But you need to provide a like to this statement. If not, then you need to refer to the statement at Pax. IT is very much alive.EpyonX3 wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
warlock22 wrote...
Sorry to cut in but did Bioware really conform this?
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=32521
Not that I am aware of.
It was believed that their Q&A statements insinuated it during the Extended Cut Press Release, but direct confrontation at PAX came back ambiguous.
According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut. But I saw no links to this. I'm not jumping to conclusions.
Ugh you again. Dude I'm not stating anything other than I'm not believeing it until I see it. Relax.
All he's asking for is a reference. With no papertrail and the LOAD of trolling and fact-claiming going on... we need something to gauge.
Agreed. For me thats the worst thing about the Reapers. Allowing life to evolve to the point of a, possible, major evolutionary leap just to crush them before they reach it. Also, alot of what they do seems to be self fulfilling prophecy. I'm thinking of the in game theory that the Reapers were resposible for the Rachni war. It just seems that the Reapers have alot of ulterior motives that may NOT be so far beyond our comprehension.Auralius Carolus wrote...
Big G13 wrote...
My question has always been, if the Reapers harvest organic life to bring order to the universe, then why not harvest ALL organic life once and for all? Is it because harvesting is the only purpose of the Reapers? If the Reapers cease to have organic life to harvest do they cease to have purpose, and by extension, cease to exist?Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I love this. This is spot on.
They are our Gods, our parents, our ancestors, and it is in the nature of children to rebel.
My fuzzy backside!
Whatever they were, they're gone now. What's left can accurately be described as demonic: they seek to control, manipulate, destroy and oppress. They aren't satisfied with taking the body, they want the mind and soul as well.
They deserve our rebellion.
The Reapers aren't evil, they're simply... alien, and so far beyond our understanding as to be incomprehensible.
If the Space Brat was telling the truth, the Reapers respect organic life but not in the same way that humans do. They likely see each species as deserving a chance to develop to a certain point, but not beyond. At that point, they remove the dominant beings to give the others a shot. It is a radical notion, but not foreign- certain environmentalist extremists have desired, but never been able to produce, weaponry to remove humanity in the name of "everything else".
Personally, I've equated their "order" as simple control from beings with a god mentality. They allow species to evolve and adapt the Reaper tech in order to show their worth. When the Reapers return, they judge the species- those worthy will be "ascended" to Reaper "Godhood"; those not, will be destroyed or used in whatever way is most expedient.
BatmanTurian wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I love this. This is spot on.
They are our Gods, our parents, our ancestors, and it is in the nature of children to rebel.
My fuzzy backside!
Whatever they were, they're gone now. What's left can accurately be described as demonic: they seek to control, manipulate, destroy and oppress. They aren't satisfied with taking the body, they want the mind and soul as well.
They deserve our rebellion.
The Reapers aren't evil, they're simply... alien, and so far beyond our understanding as to be incomprehensible.
A being that is alien in its conciousness and perception could appear evil to us, but in actuality, it could just be performing whatever actions its nature dictates.
Modifié par spotlessvoid, 19 avril 2012 - 05:18 .
For one, that concept of the reaper perspective on life was shown in ME2 with the baby reaper and the collectors.Auralius Carolus wrote...
Big G13 wrote...
My question has always been, if the Reapers harvest organic life to bring order to the universe, then why not harvest ALL organic life once and for all? Is it because harvesting is the only purpose of the Reapers? If the Reapers cease to have organic life to harvest do they cease to have purpose, and by extension, cease to exist?Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I love this. This is spot on.
They are our Gods, our parents, our ancestors, and it is in the nature of children to rebel.
My fuzzy backside!
Whatever they were, they're gone now. What's left can accurately be described as demonic: they seek to control, manipulate, destroy and oppress. They aren't satisfied with taking the body, they want the mind and soul as well.
They deserve our rebellion.
The Reapers aren't evil, they're simply... alien, and so far beyond our understanding as to be incomprehensible.
If the Space Brat was telling the truth, the Reapers respect organic life but not in the same way that humans do. They likely see each species as deserving a chance to develop to a certain point, but not beyond. At that point, they remove the dominant beings to give the others a shot. It is a radical notion, but not foreign- certain environmentalist extremists have desired, but never been able to produce, weaponry to remove humanity in the name of "everything else".
Personally, I've equated their "order" as simple control from beings with a god mentality. They allow species to evolve and adapt the Reaper tech in order to show their worth. When the Reapers return, they judge the species- those worthy will be "ascended" to Reaper "Godhood"; those not, will be destroyed or used in whatever way is most expedient.
Modifié par dreman9999, 19 avril 2012 - 05:25 .
dreman9999 wrote...
For one, that concept of the reaper perspective on life was shown in ME2 with the baby reaper and the collectors.Auralius Carolus wrote...
Big G13 wrote...
My question has always been, if the Reapers harvest organic life to bring order to the universe, then why not harvest ALL organic life once and for all? Is it because harvesting is the only purpose of the Reapers? If the Reapers cease to have organic life to harvest do they cease to have purpose, and by extension, cease to exist?Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I love this. This is spot on.
They are our Gods, our parents, our ancestors, and it is in the nature of children to rebel.
My fuzzy backside!
Whatever they were, they're gone now. What's left can accurately be described as demonic: they seek to control, manipulate, destroy and oppress. They aren't satisfied with taking the body, they want the mind and soul as well.
They deserve our rebellion.
The Reapers aren't evil, they're simply... alien, and so far beyond our understanding as to be incomprehensible.
If the Space Brat was telling the truth, the Reapers respect organic life but not in the same way that humans do. They likely see each species as deserving a chance to develop to a certain point, but not beyond. At that point, they remove the dominant beings to give the others a shot. It is a radical notion, but not foreign- certain environmentalist extremists have desired, but never been able to produce, weaponry to remove humanity in the name of "everything else".
Personally, I've equated their "order" as simple control from beings with a god mentality. They allow species to evolve and adapt the Reaper tech in order to show their worth. When the Reapers return, they judge the species- those worthy will be "ascended" to Reaper "Godhood"; those not, will be destroyed or used in whatever way is most expedient.
The other parts come from Sovergin and the rennoch reaper.
The truth is the star child never provied anything new to the arguement, he just reused what other reapers have stated.
The next problem is there really is no way to find out if the star kid is telling the truth. Much of what he states counter what was stated and shown before as fact...This normal happen when someone is lieing.
I do agree they think they are trying to help us but I feel they are still not trying to debate with us about it yet.That they are still trying to force us. The reapers are timeless machine, they watched organics for eons, they know how we thing and how to manipulate us.this made clear by the fact they us indoctrination and the mass relay trap..Hech, that ammout of planning it took to make the mass relay trap the way it works for eons is staggering. The fact remain they have the info on organics to debate with us there points, BUT THE FACT REMAIN THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO AND THINK IT'SNOT WORTH DOING. The fact that they invade us to force their belief on organic with out explination every cycle shows this. Even the star kid never give detail info on the reapers reasons....It all vague.....
No really can take what is stated in the end by the star kid as face value...Nor the ending with the level of decite the reaper have been shown to be capible of.
It's in their nature to try and trick organics.
Modifié par balance5050, 19 avril 2012 - 05:33 .
But as I ask before...Is there any proof showning he is telling the truth?Auralius Carolus wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
For one, that concept of the reaper perspective on life was shown in ME2 with the baby reaper and the collectors.Auralius Carolus wrote...
Big G13 wrote...
My question has always been, if the Reapers harvest organic life to bring order to the universe, then why not harvest ALL organic life once and for all? Is it because harvesting is the only purpose of the Reapers? If the Reapers cease to have organic life to harvest do they cease to have purpose, and by extension, cease to exist?Arian Dynas wrote...
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I love this. This is spot on.
They are our Gods, our parents, our ancestors, and it is in the nature of children to rebel.
My fuzzy backside!
Whatever they were, they're gone now. What's left can accurately be described as demonic: they seek to control, manipulate, destroy and oppress. They aren't satisfied with taking the body, they want the mind and soul as well.
They deserve our rebellion.
The Reapers aren't evil, they're simply... alien, and so far beyond our understanding as to be incomprehensible.
If the Space Brat was telling the truth, the Reapers respect organic life but not in the same way that humans do. They likely see each species as deserving a chance to develop to a certain point, but not beyond. At that point, they remove the dominant beings to give the others a shot. It is a radical notion, but not foreign- certain environmentalist extremists have desired, but never been able to produce, weaponry to remove humanity in the name of "everything else".
Personally, I've equated their "order" as simple control from beings with a god mentality. They allow species to evolve and adapt the Reaper tech in order to show their worth. When the Reapers return, they judge the species- those worthy will be "ascended" to Reaper "Godhood"; those not, will be destroyed or used in whatever way is most expedient.
The other parts come from Sovergin and the rennoch reaper.
The truth is the star child never provied anything new to the arguement, he just reused what other reapers have stated.
The next problem is there really is no way to find out if the star kid is telling the truth. Much of what he states counter what was stated and shown before as fact...This normal happen when someone is lieing.
I do agree they think they are trying to help us but I feel they are still not trying to debate with us about it yet.That they are still trying to force us. The reapers are timeless machine, they watched organics for eons, they know how we thing and how to manipulate us.this made clear by the fact they us indoctrination and the mass relay trap..Hech, that ammout of planning it took to make the mass relay trap the way it works for eons is staggering. The fact remain they have the info on organics to debate with us there points, BUT THE FACT REMAIN THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO AND THINK IT'SNOT WORTH DOING. The fact that they invade us to force their belief on organic with out explination every cycle shows this. Even the star kid never give detail info on the reapers reasons....It all vague.....
No really can take what is stated in the end by the star kid as face value...Nor the ending with the level of decite the reaper have been shown to be capible of.
It's in their nature to try and trick organics.
Until the day comes when it is revealed that Space Brat is a deceitful machanism of Harbinger, he will be the target of blame from yours truly. The Rannoch Reaper may have said it first, but the Brat took it to the next level. Stupid glowy kid...
Modifié par dreman9999, 19 avril 2012 - 05:33 .
balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Me neither. All I see is a random poll.
I was referring to when you said this: "According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut" I don't remember any of the Bioware staff saying that.
Hawk227 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Me neither. All I see is a random poll.
I was referring to when you said this: "According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut" I don't remember any of the Bioware staff saying that.
I think Jessica Merizan said it on Twitter...
Hawk227 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
Me neither. All I see is a random poll.
I was referring to when you said this: "According to one of the comments, Bioware confirmed Joker is picking up the crew in the extended cut" I don't remember any of the Bioware staff saying that.
I think Jessica Merizan said it on Twitter...
Modifié par EpyonX3, 19 avril 2012 - 05:38 .
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