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[Vahilor]

Big G13 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O.K., I've been hanging out in this thread for a long time now but I have yet to put anything out there for analysis. Mainly because I am not good at logical analysis. Abstract thought I can handle I just can't do the logic necessary to confirm or deny the abstract. So ... HELP.     When the star child says "the created will always rebel against the creators" my first thought was 'OMG, some how synthetic life came 1st.' It's that whole chicken or the egg debate. I think the Reapers destroy organic life to keep organics from reaching that evolutionary point that they can destroy their creators. I see the Reapers, or the force behind the Reapers, as the Quarians. And organics as the Geth. IMO that is why everything the star child says is one GIANT rationalization. It is trying to justify its actions against its own creation. And to use a religious analogy, the Reapers are like angles who view organic life as little more than meat puppets and are jealous that organics are allowed to exist at all.   I seek logical analysis.

www.youtube.com/watch - "Flesh is a Machine" "You are vermin"

www.youtube.com/watch - "Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation- an accident"

The question is, when Sovereign refers to "my kind" is discussing a past species or something that came before.

This all, over course, is subject to perspective, which the Reapers seem to hold themselves highly in.

"We are the beginning. You are the end." The end of what? The Reapers? The creator? Understand, I've been hanging on to this for a while, so, I'm pretty much wedded to it. I'm not trying to change any minds. I just really appreciate the input.

I altered the links for better timing.

The "end" could simply be the result of a superiority complex. Or it could be refering to organics as a stage or ingredient.

This, of course, hints that understanding the "beginning" is required to validate the "end". We simply don't know "what" was first. It's clear that, at least certain things, cannot be taken literally or seriously- for instance, the claim that Reapers have no beginning. We know that they do and we know, basically, how they are created. So, about the only way to get honest answers is to inspect them manually.

But that still won't answer how they came about. If organics didn't ascend themselves into Reaper form and begin the cycles, then what did? Was it a machine? Was it something else? Did it create machines before organics? Did it create organics at all or was that truly an unexpected event? Is the Catalyst truly that which created the Reapers? How did it manage it?

There's a HUGE can of worms there, enough to easily fill several more games in the most complex of scenarios.

YES. And that's another reason the end is so disappointing. It's not like they didn't have a thousand ways to give a conclusive ending and still continue the franchise for another 5 or 10 games. If I can think of something I'm sure they can. I mean, it's there job, right.

And that makes me really angry... they give that ending, without any real closure... kill the whole Galaxy and still want to make more games. Probably in ME4 we will have Mass Relays again cause they never exploded and will encounter Star Shep who offers as purple, pink and brown as ending choices...
And yes I agree with you on the ending possibilitys.. they would have had so many options to end it in a satisfiing way and still would be able to make more games.. but somhow I get the impression they want to make it to the extend.. like EA does with Assassins Creed...

I really don't know what got into them, when they made the endings.. and I somhow don't think, the ending DLC will make it any better.... (so I still hope IDT is true)...

[Big G13]

Vahilor wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

O.K., I've been hanging out in this thread for a long time now but I have yet to put anything out there for analysis. Mainly because I am not good at logical analysis. Abstract thought I can handle I just can't do the logic necessary to confirm or deny the abstract. So ... HELP.     When the star child says "the created will always rebel against the creators" my first thought was 'OMG, some how synthetic life came 1st.' It's that whole chicken or the egg debate. I think the Reapers destroy organic life to keep organics from reaching that evolutionary point that they can destroy their creators. I see the Reapers, or the force behind the Reapers, as the Quarians. And organics as the Geth. IMO that is why everything the star child says is one GIANT rationalization. It is trying to justify its actions against its own creation. And to use a religious analogy, the Reapers are like angles who view organic life as little more than meat puppets and are jealous that organics are allowed to exist at all.   I seek logical analysis.

www.youtube.com/watch - "Flesh is a Machine" "You are vermin"

www.youtube.com/watch - "Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation- an accident"

The question is, when Sovereign refers to "my kind" is discussing a past species or something that came before.

This all, over course, is subject to perspective, which the Reapers seem to hold themselves highly in.

"We are the beginning. You are the end." The end of what? The Reapers? The creator? Understand, I've been hanging on to this for a while, so, I'm pretty much wedded to it. I'm not trying to change any minds. I just really appreciate the input.

I altered the links for better timing.

The "end" could simply be the result of a superiority complex. Or it could be refering to organics as a stage or ingredient.

This, of course, hints that understanding the "beginning" is required to validate the "end". We simply don't know "what" was first. It's clear that, at least certain things, cannot be taken literally or seriously- for instance, the claim that Reapers have no beginning. We know that they do and we know, basically, how they are created. So, about the only way to get honest answers is to inspect them manually.

But that still won't answer how they came about. If organics didn't ascend themselves into Reaper form and begin the cycles, then what did? Was it a machine? Was it something else? Did it create machines before organics? Did it create organics at all or was that truly an unexpected event? Is the Catalyst truly that which created the Reapers? How did it manage it?

There's a HUGE can of worms there, enough to easily fill several more games in the most complex of scenarios.

YES. And that's another reason the end is so disappointing. It's not like they didn't have a thousand ways to give a conclusive ending and still continue the franchise for another 5 or 10 games. If I can think of something I'm sure they can. I mean, it's there job, right.

And that makes me really angry... they give that ending, without any real closure... kill the whole Galaxy and still want to make more games. Probably in ME4 we will have Mass Relays again cause they never exploded and will encounter Star Shep who offers as purple, pink and brown as ending choices...
And yes I agree with you on the ending possibilitys.. they would have had so many options to end it in a satisfiing way and still would be able to make more games.. but somhow I get the impression they want to make it to the extend.. like EA does with Assassins Creed...

I really don't know what got into them, when they made the endings.. and I somhow don't think, the ending DLC will make it any better.... (so I still hope IDT is true)...

imo, when creativity is your business then creativity should be the primary driver of the business. When that gets turned around bad things happen. i.e. the ending we got. As things stand now IDT is the only thing that makes any sense out of this ending. Hopefully the EC DLC will be something we can celebrate.

[Skillz1986]

Some time ago, someone mentiomed that you can see me's very own bieber always standing next to "warning" or "caution" signs.

The first sign, indicating brain damage is oddly enough unique...it occurs only on the vent bieber is in.

Now, the other two signs were practically dismissed, because they occur on every shuttle. i do partially agree with that. the"danger" written on the jets is present on all shuttles, i'm allright wit that. but i have just checked the kodiaks in the shuttle bay and the "caution" on the right side of the door is nowhere to be found.

This could mean:
1. They've put it there deliberately as another indicator on bieber's danger
2.(not ruling this out) the kodiaks in the shuttle bay differ from other alliance kodiaks.

Thoughts?

[Big G13]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Some time ago, someone mentiomed that you can see me's very own bieber always standing next to "warning" or "caution" signs.

The first sign, indicating brain damage is oddly enough unique...it occurs only on the vent bieber is in.

Now, the other two signs were practically dismissed, because they occur on every shuttle. i do partially agree with that. the"danger" written on the jets is present on all shuttles, i'm allright wit that. but i have just checked the kodiaks in the shuttle bay and the "caution" on the right side of the door is nowhere to be found.

This could mean:
1. They've put it there deliberately as another indicator on bieber's danger
2.(not ruling this out) the kodiaks in the shuttle bay differ from other alliance kodiaks.

Thoughts?

Interesting. So, we're calling him Bieber now? Did you come up with that. Niiiiiicccceee. The fact that he was always seen next to danger signs was interesting to me weather the signs existed on all kodiaks or not. If those signs do not exist on the Normandy's kodiak then I would say that is a conspicuous omission.

[Skillz1986]

No, boeber sadly wasn't my idea...only dapted it, couldn't resist.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

He certainly is as annoying

[Big G13]

ME4. " Songs of the Star Child"

[spotlessvoid]

He is incomprehensible

To me at least.
Seriously, thinking about him outside the confines of idt makes my brain hurt

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Btw, anything new/interesting since yesterday morning?

[DirtyPhoenix]

pirate1802 wrote...

Hey people, the one thing that seemed very very odd to me was the Purgatory on Citadel. You can visit it and all, but when you ask the Avina VI about it, she responds she has no knowledge of any such bar on Citadel???

I'm not suggesting it is related to IT or something, but why whould they put it there unless they intend to? Certainly doesnt seem to be the case of "Lazy Bioware" either. Could it be that the devs wanted to indicate that VIs are not infaalliable, thereby explaining why the Prothean VI didn't detect Shepard's indoctrination?

Bumping because I think it is interesting.

[DarksBlade]

pirate1802 wrote...

Hey people, the one thing that seemed very very odd to me was the Purgatory on Citadel. You can visit it and all, but when you ask the Avina VI about it, she responds she has no knowledge of any such bar on Citadel???

I'm not suggesting it is related to IT or something, but why whould they put it there unless they intend to? Certainly doesnt seem to be the case of "Lazy Bioware" either. Could it be that the devs wanted to indicate that VIs are not infaalliable, thereby explaining why the Prothean VI didn't detect Shepard's indoctrination?

In one word "Aria"


In a few more ... The Avina VI is an asari construct and in case you missed it Aria as a weee bit of pull with the Asari concil"

EDIT- to fix an odd typo

Modifié par DarksBlade, 19 avril 2012 - 08:25 .

[Big G13]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Btw, anything new/interesting since yesterday morning?

I was traveling most of the day so I had leave around page 1541 when the trolls showed up. Just got home about 7 pages ago. I know at one point Epyonx3 (sp?) was pulling apart individual files looking for similarities between the planet the Normandy landed on and other planets in the series. He had a few interesting finds around page 1540 I think and was looking for more but I haven't heard anything else.

[spotlessvoid]

pirate1802 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Hey people, the one thing that seemed very very odd to me was the Purgatory on Citadel. You can visit it and all, but when you ask the Avina VI about it, she responds she has no knowledge of any such bar on Citadel???

I'm not suggesting it is related to IT or something, but why whould they put it there unless they intend to? Certainly doesnt seem to be the case of "Lazy Bioware" either. Could it be that the devs wanted to indicate that VIs are not infaalliable, thereby explaining why the Prothean VI didn't detect Shepard's indoctrination?

Bumping because I think it is interesting.

Isn't Avina essentially for visitors? She might be programmed not to give out information on such a seedy place. Not Council approved or what have you.
It's odd and it's unlikey it is unintentional. No idea what it means or if there is any deeper significance to it. Seems pretty unlikely it has any larger meaning

Edit. Or what Darksblade said. Aria

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 19 avril 2012 - 08:42 .

[spotlessvoid]

Double post

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 19 avril 2012 - 08:45 .

[Auralius Carolus]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Some time ago, someone mentiomed that you can see me's very own bieber always standing next to "warning" or "caution" signs.

The first sign, indicating brain damage is oddly enough unique...it occurs only on the vent bieber is in.

Now, the other two signs were practically dismissed, because they occur on every shuttle. i do partially agree with that. the"danger" written on the jets is present on all shuttles, i'm allright wit that. but i have just checked the kodiaks in the shuttle bay and the "caution" on the right side of the door is nowhere to be found.

This could mean:
1. They've put it there deliberately as another indicator on bieber's danger
2.(not ruling this out) the kodiaks in the shuttle bay differ from other alliance kodiaks.

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Yes please: The Final Dream: The Chinchilla's have analyzed it, and the information is intriguing.

Note the message: Shepard finally achieves satisfaction with the child, however he is engulfed by flame. What does fire do? It kills, (obviously), but also consumes to the point that distinction can be difficult or impossible.

Fire is also sometimes interpretted as a warning of events to come- famine, plague, etc.

But more importantly, note the duality of Shepard in his dream- there are two of him existing distinctly at once: one is confused and then horrified, (natural reaction), while the other is curiously happy. In literature and mythology, this is known as the doppleganger. By contemporary paranormal interpretation, they are literal harbingers: forebearers of ill events, often death. Sometimes they are associated with the demonic.

Psychologically, dopplegangers are sometimes witnessed during exposure to high levels of electromagnetic energy- along with a sense of being watched, the hearing of voices, the witnessing of apparitions and shadow people, etc. Now it gets fun! What is the link between modern scientific observation, paranormal research and the Reaper's Indoctrination? EMF- Electromagetic Frequency.  Neurological decay, (something attributed with Indoctrination as well), is hypothesized to result in these hallucinations and nightmares, aside from EMF exposure.

And what does Shepard experience in his dreams? He hears voices, sees shadow people and a doppleganger.

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 19 avril 2012 - 08:51 .

[MaximizedAction]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Some time ago, someone mentiomed that you can see me's very own bieber always standing next to "warning" or "caution" signs.

The first sign, indicating brain damage is oddly enough unique...it occurs only on the vent bieber is in.

Now, the other two signs were practically dismissed, because they occur on every shuttle. i do partially agree with that. the"danger" written on the jets is present on all shuttles, i'm allright wit that. but i have just checked the kodiaks in the shuttle bay and the "caution" on the right side of the door is nowhere to be found.

This could mean:
1. They've put it there deliberately as another indicator on bieber's danger
2.(not ruling this out) the kodiaks in the shuttle bay differ from other alliance kodiaks.

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Yes please: The Final Dream: The Chinchilla's have analyzed it, and the information is intriguing.

Note the message: Shepard finally achieves satisfaction with the child, however he is engulfed by flame. What does fire do? It kills, (obviously), but also consumes to the point that distinction can be difficult or impossible.

Fire is also sometimes interpretted as a warning of events to come- famine, plague, etc.

But more importantly, note the duality of Shepard in his dream- there are two of him existing distinctly at once: one is confused and then horrified, (natural reaction), while the other is curiously happy. In literature and mythology, this is known as the doppleganger. By contemporary paranormal interpretation, they are literal harbingers: forebearers of ill events, often death. Sometimes they are associated with the demonic.

Psychologically, dopplegangers are sometimes witnessed during exposure to high levels of electromagnetic energy- along with a sense of being watch, the hearing of voices, the witnessing of apparitions and shadow people, etc. Now it gets fun! What is the link between modern scientific observation, paranormal research and the Reaper's Indoctrination? EMF- Electromagetic Frequency.  Neurological decay, (something attributed with Indoctrination as well), is hypothesized to result in these hallucinations and nightmares, aside from EMF exposure.

And what does Shepard experience in his dreams? He hears voices, sees shadow people and a doppleganger.

Nice!

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Some time ago, someone mentiomed that you can see me's very own bieber always standing next to "warning" or "caution" signs.

The first sign, indicating brain damage is oddly enough unique...it occurs only on the vent bieber is in.

Now, the other two signs were practically dismissed, because they occur on every shuttle. i do partially agree with that. the"danger" written on the jets is present on all shuttles, i'm allright wit that. but i have just checked the kodiaks in the shuttle bay and the "caution" on the right side of the door is nowhere to be found.

This could mean:
1. They've put it there deliberately as another indicator on bieber's danger
2.(not ruling this out) the kodiaks in the shuttle bay differ from other alliance kodiaks.

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Yes please: The Final Dream: The Chinchilla's have analyzed it, and the information is intriguing.

Note the message: Shepard finally achieves satisfaction with the child, however he is engulfed by flame. What does fire do? It kills, (obviously), but also consumes to the point that distinction can be difficult or impossible.

Fire is also sometimes interpretted as a warning of events to come- famine, plague, etc.

But more importantly, note the duality of Shepard in his dream- there are two of him existing distinctly at once: one is confused and then horrified, (natural reaction), while the other is curiously happy. In literature and mythology, this is known as the doppleganger. By contemporary paranormal interpretation, they are literal harbingers: forebearers of ill events, often death. Sometimes they are associated with the demonic.

Psychologically, dopplegangers are sometimes witnessed during exposure to high levels of electromagnetic energy- along with a sense of being watch, the hearing of voices, the witnessing of apparitions and shadow people, etc. Now it gets fun! What is the link between modern scientific observation, paranormal research and the Reaper's Indoctrination? EMF- Electromagetic Frequency.  Neurological decay, (something attributed with Indoctrination as well), is hypothesized to result in these hallucinations and nightmares, aside from EMF exposure.

And what does Shepard experience in his dreams? He hears voices, sees shadow people and a doppleganger.

1500 pages and we are still finding things like this...by this point it is impossible it can all be a coincedence.

[SC0TTYD00]

Can we interpret other endings to other films and games into a different meaning in the same way?

e.g think of a game you hated the ending to and try and make a theory that points to a different meaning.

[Auralius Carolus]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Some time ago, someone mentiomed that you can see me's very own bieber always standing next to "warning" or "caution" signs.

The first sign, indicating brain damage is oddly enough unique...it occurs only on the vent bieber is in.

Now, the other two signs were practically dismissed, because they occur on every shuttle. i do partially agree with that. the"danger" written on the jets is present on all shuttles, i'm allright wit that. but i have just checked the kodiaks in the shuttle bay and the "caution" on the right side of the door is nowhere to be found.

This could mean:
1. They've put it there deliberately as another indicator on bieber's danger
2.(not ruling this out) the kodiaks in the shuttle bay differ from other alliance kodiaks.

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Yes please: The Final Dream: The Chinchilla's have analyzed it, and the information is intriguing.

Note the message: Shepard finally achieves satisfaction with the child, however he is engulfed by flame. What does fire do? It kills, (obviously), but also consumes to the point that distinction can be difficult or impossible.

Fire is also sometimes interpretted as a warning of events to come- famine, plague, etc.

But more importantly, note the duality of Shepard in his dream- there are two of him existing distinctly at once: one is confused and then horrified, (natural reaction), while the other is curiously happy. In literature and mythology, this is known as the doppleganger. By contemporary paranormal interpretation, they are literal harbingers: forebearers of ill events, often death. Sometimes they are associated with the demonic.

Psychologically, dopplegangers are sometimes witnessed during exposure to high levels of electromagnetic energy- along with a sense of being watch, the hearing of voices, the witnessing of apparitions and shadow people, etc. Now it gets fun! What is the link between modern scientific observation, paranormal research and the Reaper's Indoctrination? EMF- Electromagetic Frequency.  Neurological decay, (something attributed with Indoctrination as well), is hypothesized to result in these hallucinations and nightmares, aside from EMF exposure.

And what does Shepard experience in his dreams? He hears voices, sees shadow people and a doppleganger.

1500 pages and we are still finding things like this...by this point it is impossible it can all be a coincedence.

Literature, mythology, the paranormal and psychology- some of my favorite pass-times. Ow! Alright, alright. And the chinchillas helped too.

Anyway, I'm gonna pull my resources and see if I can dig anything else up, then try and connect the dots in a matter which can be presented formally. I'd like to see how deep this goes in the literature.

[Auralius Carolus]

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Can we interpret other endings to other films and games into a different meaning in the same way?

e.g think of a game you hated the ending to and try and make a theory that points to a different meaning.

Of course you can. Perspectives are numerous and relative.

Regardless, I'm calling you on your trolldom.

[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Some time ago, someone mentiomed that you can see me's very own bieber always standing next to "warning" or "caution" signs.

The first sign, indicating brain damage is oddly enough unique...it occurs only on the vent bieber is in.

Now, the other two signs were practically dismissed, because they occur on every shuttle. i do partially agree with that. the"danger" written on the jets is present on all shuttles, i'm allright wit that. but i have just checked the kodiaks in the shuttle bay and the "caution" on the right side of the door is nowhere to be found.

This could mean:
1. They've put it there deliberately as another indicator on bieber's danger
2.(not ruling this out) the kodiaks in the shuttle bay differ from other alliance kodiaks.

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Yes please: The Final Dream: The Chinchilla's have analyzed it, and the information is intriguing.

Note the message: Shepard finally achieves satisfaction with the child, however he is engulfed by flame. What does fire do? It kills, (obviously), but also consumes to the point that distinction can be difficult or impossible.

Fire is also sometimes interpretted as a warning of events to come- famine, plague, etc.

But more importantly, note the duality of Shepard in his dream- there are two of him existing distinctly at once: one is confused and then horrified, (natural reaction), while the other is curiously happy. In literature and mythology, this is known as the doppleganger. By contemporary paranormal interpretation, they are literal harbingers: forebearers of ill events, often death. Sometimes they are associated with the demonic.

Psychologically, dopplegangers are sometimes witnessed during exposure to high levels of electromagnetic energy- along with a sense of being watch, the hearing of voices, the witnessing of apparitions and shadow people, etc. Now it gets fun! What is the link between modern scientific observation, paranormal research and the Reaper's Indoctrination? EMF- Electromagetic Frequency.  Neurological decay, (something attributed with Indoctrination as well), is hypothesized to result in these hallucinations and nightmares, aside from EMF exposure.

And what does Shepard experience in his dreams? He hears voices, sees shadow people and a doppleganger.

1500 pages and we are still finding things like this...by this point it is impossible it can all be a coincedence.

SARCASM ALERT: 

Nonsense, we should chalk the whole thing up to bad writing! Grasping at straws, etc. 

END SARCASM.

Seriously though, those are an excellent finds! Its a shame those signs are lost on the majority of the playerbase, and written off by others. It makes me wonder that if/when IT turns out to be true, how is Bioware going to come out and call attention to all these clever signs they put in to point towards it?

[Arian Dynas]

I ****ing hate this forum sometimes. Stupid thing completely loses a post I spent 20 minutes on. I am pissed now. Be back soon.

[HellishFiend]

By the way, if anyone has that triple screenshot of the kid next to the warning signs, this would probably be a good place to re-post it, considering this new research we have.

[captainbob8383]

HellishFiend wrote...

By the way, if anyone has that triple screenshot of the kid next to the warning signs, this would probably be a good place to re-post it, considering this new research we have.

Warning


Caution


Danger

[Skillz1986]

The *caution* in the second picture is not present on the normandy's kodiaks. i don't know whether there's a difference on the ps3 version, or if the normandy's shuttles just differ from the rest. but the white *caution* sign, is nowhere to be found.