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[UrgedDuke]

If IT isn't true it will be as big a disappointment, if not bigger, than the ending itself

[Headbutters inc]

SubAstris wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

captainbob8383 wrote...

Warning

That's the more important one by far IMO.  That sticker isn't a recycle because it's not found anywhere else in the game.  So the devs put that sticker in that one spot where it would make absolutely no sense whatsoever except for IT.

BW added it for an added layer of realism, to make the place feel Earth-like, esp. in a scene that was paraded before to the press. Anyway, wouldn't the electrical supply be damaged somewhat by the Reaper invasion? So it would be switched off, and so the boy could easily go in unharmed?

Maybe it was added because the scene was paraded to the press. How is it for added realism?

[SubAstris]

Icinix wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

captainbob8383 wrote...

Warning
*image of lightning to brain sign and starchilds second human scene*

That's the more important one by far IMO.  That sticker isn't a recycle because it's not found anywhere else in the game.  So the devs put that sticker in that one spot where it would make absolutely no sense whatsoever except for IT.

BW added it for an added layer of realism, to make the place feel Earth-like, esp. in a scene that was paraded before to the press. Anyway, wouldn't the electrical supply be damaged somewhat by the Reaper invasion? So it would be switched off, and so the boy could easily go in unharmed?

The door still has some power, wasn't there a system on the desk that had power?

Also a second earlier the boy ran into that building with husks determined to get him and then a Reaper blew it up, and he had nay a scratch on him.

However, the sign itself doesn't make much sense to me - as why the hell would a duct have electricity running through it at all? And why not a hand and electrical warning? Why the head itself?




Every time that kid is involved, strange stuff is going on.

Just looked, doesn't look like there is a computer system online, there are things lit but it looks pretty much offline

We don't know what happened to the boy during that scene, he could have escaped into the vent, shielding himself, we just don't know nor would like to speculate

[Skillz1986]

@subastris..you do realize that you are still missing the point?

[Rifneno]

SubAstris wrote...

Just looked, doesn't look like there is a computer system online, there are things lit but it looks pretty much offline

We don't know what happened to the boy during that scene, he could have escaped into the vent, shielding himself, we just don't know nor would like to speculate

Speak for yourself.  WE do know.

[MrFob]

Icinix wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

EDIT: Oh, and I don't understand why the screen get's all weird with black stuff during the final conversation with TIM and Andy.. Hell, I don't understand anything that happens during the ending.. It felt like both me and Shepard got baked going into that whole thing.

That's supposed to show how TIM is controlling you.

FEAR MY MIND-RAPING TENTACLES

Which in itself is interesting, because TIM shouldn't have the ability to control you.

I can't remember exactly, but I thought he only found a way to interupt the control method Reapers used to control husks etc - not create his own indoctrination device he could use willy nilly on anyone.

Especially because Indoctrination and thus TIM's research is all about control of the mind, not the body.

IIRC, in the unofficial interview with Patrick Weekes at PAX, PW "speculated" on possible solutions for a couple of weird occurrences during the final scene. Again, IIRC (I should really dig up that interview), he said something about TIM getting access to very sophisticated biotic powers during his reaper research.

In any case, I don't doubt that literally everything in the ending CAN be explained somehow (this is scifi after all so you can come with whatever you want). So if BW chooses to do that, they certainly can. The problem is that they would have to come up with so many far fetched arguments that the IT still offers the most comprehensive and - ironically - simple solution. I still doubt they are going to use it but IMO it would be the best way to round all the problems up and get rid of them without creating a ridiculous amount of new ones.

EDIT: Ah crap, was mistake about the PW interview, sorry. Check it out here. Must have read that somewhere else then. However, the way he explains other stuff
like survivors on the citadel, etc. still fits with the rest of my above post

Modifié par MrFob, 19 avril 2012 - 01:10 .

[SubAstris]

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Just looked, doesn't look like there is a computer system online, there are things lit but it looks pretty much offline

We don't know what happened to the boy during that scene, he could have escaped into the vent, shielding himself, we just don't know nor would like to speculate

Speak for yourself.  WE do know.

But you really don't, you're mistaking your speculation for fact

[Skillz1986]

Would be nic if anyone could find the name of that sign. i heard epyon is the current expert on this?. So if you have the time and would be kind enough t look it up, some people would be greatful i think. maybe it will help..maybe it won't. But i think it's worth a try

[lex0r11]

[Big G13]

I knew Liara wouldn't let me down.

[Skillz1986]

@subastris..well it is a fact, thatt it is the only warning sign, not being used throughout the whol game. just in tha particular scene, next to that particular child. it is furthermore fact, that the face is not human at all. the rest is admittedly speculatio...but i think it's justified speculation and a good point being made.
So while you might not want to speculate about it..many people certainly do. and i do not think tht you are entitled to speak for them. correct me ifi'm wrong

[EpyonX3]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

What's the point of indoctrination anyway if the current ending is to be taken by face value? Why would the godchild grant that ability to the Reapers he created? He just wanted robots that would make pew pew and kill civilisations.

Except.. maybe the kid is right and the created DO always rebel against their creators, and the reapers invented indoctrination on their own.

The Crucible changed his mind. He says it opened up new possibilities but he's unable to make the choice. Also he controls the reapers but didn't say he created them.

I think he does.. can anyone confirm/deny that?
Also I don't think you get what I'm saying.. I meant to ask why Reapers should have the power of indoctrination if their task is just to kill certain organics

Oh. That's a good point. I guess it's more about hiding their identity as much as possible while working againsts organics.

If Sovereign just showed up at the Citadel with no help, he'd get damaged heavily and risk the arms being closed. Since the Citadel is theirs, it probably wouldn't be interested in damaging the Citadel.

Then you need ground forces. Indoctrination lets you use your enemie's civilians as your army.

[Ravel1992]

SubAstris wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Just looked, doesn't look like there is a computer system online, there are things lit but it looks pretty much offline

We don't know what happened to the boy during that scene, he could have escaped into the vent, shielding himself, we just don't know nor would like to speculate

Speak for yourself.  WE do know.

But you really don't, you're mistaking your speculation for fact

[SubAstris]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@subastris..well it is a fact, thatt it is the only warning sign, not being used throughout the whol game. just in tha particular scene, next to that particular child. it is furthermore fact, that the face is not human at all. the rest is admittedly speculatio...but i think it's justified speculation and a good point being made.
So while you might not want to speculate about it..many people certainly do. and i do not think tht you are entitled to speak for them. correct me ifi'm wrong

The face looks pretty humanoid to me? But anyway, you are right about the rest

[Big G13]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

What's the point of indoctrination anyway if the current ending is to be taken by face value? Why would the godchild grant that ability to the Reapers he created? He just wanted robots that would make pew pew and kill civilisations.

Except.. maybe the kid is right and the created DO always rebel against their creators, and the reapers invented indoctrination on their own.

I still think indoctrination shows a weakness of the Reapers. Why not just harvest. Why spend hundreds of years setting up the battle field in their favor through manipulation and proxy wars? Why indoctrinate anyone?

[Ravel1992]

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

What's the point of indoctrination anyway if the current ending is to be taken by face value? Why would the godchild grant that ability to the Reapers he created? He just wanted robots that would make pew pew and kill civilisations.

Except.. maybe the kid is right and the created DO always rebel against their creators, and the reapers invented indoctrination on their own.

I still think indoctrination shows a weakness of the Reapers. Why not just harvest. Why spend hundreds of years setting up the battle field in their favor through manipulation and proxy wars? Why indoctrinate anyone?

For fun. Reapers also want entertainment.

Modifié par Ravel1992, 19 avril 2012 - 01:19 .

[Sammuthegreat]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
He just wanted robots that would make pew pew

Change a couple of letters there and it sounds quite different. Judging by her... um... emergency extraction port, that's what EDI was designed for...

[AresCrusader]

If you want to do a more scientific evaluation of the "evidence", you need to introduce a control group. Go through Mass Effect 1 and/or a comparable game produced by Bioware, and see how much material gets re-used within each game. None? Hello IT. Same/more? Well there you go.

Modifié par AresCrusader, 19 avril 2012 - 01:23 .

[Baldsake]

UrgedDuke wrote...

If IT isn't true it will be as big a disappointment, if not bigger, than the ending itself

Hardly, if the extended ending is good and satisfying, taking care of plotholes and hopefully even gameplay and dialogue then I don't care wether it's IT or not. I just want a better ending.

[Big G13]

Ravel1992 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

What's the point of indoctrination anyway if the current ending is to be taken by face value? Why would the godchild grant that ability to the Reapers he created? He just wanted robots that would make pew pew and kill civilisations.

Except.. maybe the kid is right and the created DO always rebel against their creators, and the reapers invented indoctrination on their own.

I still think indoctrination shows a weakness of the Reapers. Why not just harvest. Why spend hundreds of years setting up the battle field in their favor through manipulation and proxy wars? Why indoctrinate anyone?

For fun. Reapers also want entertainment.

[Sammuthegreat]

Baldsake wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

If IT isn't true it will be as big a disappointment, if not bigger, than the ending itself

Hardly, if the extended ending is good and satisfying, taking care of plotholes and hopefully even gameplay and dialogue then I don't care wether it's IT or not. I just want a better ending.

True, but UrgedDuke has a point. If the Extended Cut sticks to the current ending without confirming IT or coming up with a good new explanation either, it will be a far bigger disappointment than what we've already endured.

[RorickHuon]

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

What's the point of indoctrination anyway if the current ending is to be taken by face value? Why would the godchild grant that ability to the Reapers he created? He just wanted robots that would make pew pew and kill civilisations.

Except.. maybe the kid is right and the created DO always rebel against their creators, and the reapers invented indoctrination on their own.

I still think indoctrination shows a weakness of the Reapers. Why not just harvest. Why spend hundreds of years setting up the battle field in their favor through manipulation and proxy wars? Why indoctrinate anyone?

Without indoctrination, if the reapers just showed up and started harvesting everything than the races at the time would regroup. They would be able to plan a counter attack or work on a super weapon with \\out reaper interference. Indoctrination allows them to infiltrate their enemies and shut them down from the inside. Causing panic and confusion making them easier targets.

[Baldsake]

SubAstris wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Just looked, doesn't look like there is a computer system online, there are things lit but it looks pretty much offline

We don't know what happened to the boy during that scene, he could have escaped into the vent, shielding himself, we just don't know nor would like to speculate

Speak for yourself.  WE do know.

But you really don't, you're mistaking your speculation for fact

Agreed, way too many people here act like they know things they don't, calling things ''evidence'' or ''proof'' while they're actually just grasping at straws. IMO anything is speculation until BioWare confirms something, or better yet when WE get to see/play the extended ending.

[Sammuthegreat]

RorickHuon wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

What's the point of indoctrination anyway if the current ending is to be taken by face value? Why would the godchild grant that ability to the Reapers he created? He just wanted robots that would make pew pew and kill civilisations.

Except.. maybe the kid is right and the created DO always rebel against their creators, and the reapers invented indoctrination on their own.

I still think indoctrination shows a weakness of the Reapers. Why not just harvest. Why spend hundreds of years setting up the battle field in their favor through manipulation and proxy wars? Why indoctrinate anyone?

Without indoctrination, if the reapers just showed up and started harvesting everything than the races at the time would regroup. They would be able to plan a counter attack or work on a super weapon with out reaper interference. Indoctrination allows them to infiltrate their enemies and shut them down from the inside. Causing panic and confusion making them easier targets.

Not to mention that every ground troop lost by the Alliance means one extra reaper troop.

[Rifneno]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

True, but UrgedDuke has a point. If the Extended Cut sticks to the current ending without confirming IT or coming up with a good new explanation either, it will be a far bigger disappointment than what we've already endured.

It'll also mark the last time many of us buy a BW product.  I know ME3 will be my last if the ending was real.  Sadly, I'm kind of worried they won't do IT because of the massive hate it gets (outside of this thread).  I'm quite confident that they did plan to go that route, but the reaction to the ending thus far has been...  well, you know.