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[Stegoceras]

AresCrusader wrote...

If you want to do a more scientific evaluation of the "evidence", you need to introduce a control group. Go through Mass Effect 1 and/or a comparable game produced by Bioware, and see how much material gets re-used within each game. None? Hello IT. Same/more? Well there you go.

Can I just add that the sign is somewhat limited to high-tech human surroundings (which aren't that much around in the game, only in the intro actually), it being a human head (or human husk head for IT'ers) depicted and all, it be more interesting and supportive to the theory had it been completly out of place or depicted something reaper-y.

[Skillz1986]

@arescrusader. hey, ugh...so you're here? Well, how do i put it?uh listen, we do appreciate you visiting us once again, we really do. but unless you do not have anything to back up your posts, which usually consist of gibberish and content that intents on making us look like idiots, noe of the posts in this threads are adressed to you. to everyone esle, just..just not you.

[Baldsake]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

If IT isn't true it will be as big a disappointment, if not bigger, than the ending itself

Hardly, if the extended ending is good and satisfying, taking care of plotholes and hopefully even gameplay and dialogue then I don't care wether it's IT or not. I just want a better ending.

True, but UrgedDuke has a point. If the Extended Cut sticks to the current ending without confirming IT or coming up with a good new explanation either, it will be a far bigger disappointment than what we've already endured.

Yeah, imagine that.. Us waiting for 6 months to get the extended cut just to be dissapointed again.. BioWare needs to really put some thought into this because I think I'll just say ''**** it'' when that happens. BUT, no need for such talk, I enjoyed ME3 a lot (even though i hated the new EDI, thought the dialogue was... corny sometimes, as well as some very dissapointing romances) and think BioWare is more than capable of writing a good ending... Then again if they were actually surprised by the negative comments on the ending, then I don't even know what to say.. I mean, was there really no one at BioWare who looked at the ending and thought: ''This is complete crap''? 

Modifié par Baldsake, 19 avril 2012 - 01:36 .

[Voodzik]

RorickHuon wrote...
Without indoctrination, if the reapers just showed up and started harvesting everything than the races at the time would regroup. They would be able to plan a counter attack or work on a super weapon with out reaper interference. Indoctrination allows them to infiltrate their enemies and shut them down from the inside. Causing panic and confusion making them easier targets.

Right. Also bear in mind that the reapers aren't indestructible. That's actually a theme in 3; how the reapers are a lot less "godlike" than they claim. That's one of the reasons the ending is so weird. It's the kind of ending you get when the villains are truly unstoppable and you have to play their game to survive...the opposite of what the game has been telling us.

Also, I think if we do get a different ending, it's likely to turn out indoctrination isn't a property of the reapers at all, but of the greater force controlling them. They're "servants" of the cycle, not it's masters. They could be indoctrinated too.

[Big G13]

RorickHuon wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

What's the point of indoctrination anyway if the current ending is to be taken by face value? Why would the godchild grant that ability to the Reapers he created? He just wanted robots that would make pew pew and kill civilisations.

Except.. maybe the kid is right and the created DO always rebel against their creators, and the reapers invented indoctrination on their own.

I still think indoctrination shows a weakness of the Reapers. Why not just harvest. Why spend hundreds of years setting up the battle field in their favor through manipulation and proxy wars? Why indoctrinate anyone?

Without indoctrination, if the reapers just showed up and started harvesting everything than the races at the time would regroup. They would be able to plan a counter attack or work on a super weapon with out reaper interference. Indoctrination allows them to infiltrate their enemies and shut them down from the inside. Causing panic and confusion making them easier targets.

Exactly. They have weaknesses. That makes for good plot. However, not getting a chance to explore those weaknesses and defeat the the threat is bad plot. I think Earthborns point was that, taking the ending at face value, why waste time even introducing indoctrination into the plot. Ultimately it has little effect on the ending.

[Skillz1986]

@stegoceras
last i checked normandy was also a human ship. and there thousands of warning signs everywhere...except that one. also. every other sign seem to be interplanetery..and only this one would be human specific? Yeah...way to go

[Sammuthegreat]

Rifneno wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

True, but UrgedDuke has a point. If the Extended Cut sticks to the current ending without confirming IT or coming up with a good new explanation either, it will be a far bigger disappointment than what we've already endured.

It'll also mark the last time many of us buy a BW product.  I know ME3 will be my last if the ending was real.  Sadly, I'm kind of worried they won't do IT because of the massive hate it gets (outside of this thread).  I'm quite confident that they did plan to go that route, but the reaction to the ending thus far has been...  well, you know.

I'd love to say I'll definitely not buy another BioWare game again, but I really can't. If there's another fantastic-looking game by BioWare coming out I know I'll struggle not to get it. The important thing for me, though, is the appalling way they've treated their most loyal customers. The double-speak, enigma and misdirection of the last month or two has been nothing short of shameful, given that the reason the fans are upset in the first place is because they don't understand what the hell's going on.

BioWare are in a position to neutralise all the anger that's bouncing around at the moment in one fell swoop, but they've repeatedly refused to do so. That's what I'll take out of this fiasco, more than anything. Even if IT is true and BioWare have pulled off one of the best and most daring moves in videogame (hell, all entertainment media) history, my opinion of them will still forever be soured by how they've strung us along.

[Ravel1992]

captainbob8383 wrote...

Warning

For me that head looks like

Modifié par Ravel1992, 19 avril 2012 - 01:36 .

[ElSuperGecko]

my apologies, I will post the source instead of copying/pasting! 

Ventboy's vent!

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 19 avril 2012 - 01:44 .

[Skillz1986]

And tjere goes the matrix

[Big Bad]

By the goddess - that wall of text!

[Stegoceras]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@stegoceras
last i checked normandy was also a human ship. and there thousands of warning signs everywhere...except that one. also. every other sign seem to be interplanetery..and only this one would be human specific? Yeah...way to go

Lets see Normandy is human/turian desgin made by Ceberus and many panels are currently stripped, also very possible they will not use the same sign as found in Vancouver back on earth. Like on earth the warning signs in my car will very likely differ from  the ones on a plane. Also signs like "caution" and "danger" are much less specific than a human head with an electricty sign. So yes, it's very possible these are used galaxy wide, while the sign in question is not.

[SixG90]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Just thought of something about the 1M1 guns.

Since the walls are Shifting and the Citadel seems to be changing as we go through it, what are the chances that those 1M1 Guns came from a part of the Citadel that was once exposed to us, in which we painted the signs on?

There are parts of the Citadel with human writings, like 780 in the presidium. We should look out for these 1M1 guns, even though we may not be able to see the 1M1, around the Citadel.

ME1, when you shoot the elevator glass and climb the presidium tower with magboots. in that cutscene(when shep shoot the glass and it brokes) there is the same antenna on the right of the screen, with 1M1.. don't know if it is seen elsewhere.

[Baldsake]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

True, but UrgedDuke has a point. If the Extended Cut sticks to the current ending without confirming IT or coming up with a good new explanation either, it will be a far bigger disappointment than what we've already endured.

It'll also mark the last time many of us buy a BW product.  I know ME3 will be my last if the ending was real.  Sadly, I'm kind of worried they won't do IT because of the massive hate it gets (outside of this thread).  I'm quite confident that they did plan to go that route, but the reaction to the ending thus far has been...  well, you know.

I'd love to say I'll definitely not buy another BioWare game again, but I really can't. If there's another fantastic-looking game by BioWare coming out I know I'll struggle not to get it. The important thing for me, though, is the appalling way they've treated their most loyal customers. The double-speak, enigma and misdirection of the last month or two has been nothing short of shameful, given that the reason the fans are upset in the first place is because they don't understand what the hell's going on.

BioWare are in a position to neutralise all the anger that's bouncing around at the moment in one fell swoop, but they've repeatedly refused to do so. That's what I'll take out of this fiasco, more than anything. Even if IT is true and BioWare have pulled off one of the best and most daring moves in videogame (hell, all entertainment media) history, my opinion of them will still forever be soured by how they've strung us along.

My thoughts exactly, I can deal with dissapointing games or endings from companies, it happens to the best of them (Dragon Age 2 and ME3's ending, ofcourse) but it's the way BioWare has dealt with the situation that's just annoying. I feel that whatever you ask/say they'll give some generic response and they've never given us some real useful information.. Never did anyone there write a blog or something saying: ''Alright guys, I know you don't like the ending, this is what we're going to do about it.'' Now we apparently have an Extended Cut coming where Jessica Merizan is giving us all kinds of info that doesn't seem logical, it's like she has no idea what she's taking about, everything they (BW) say can be taken the wrong way and their ''wink-wink'' tweets are getting old. I honestly feel like they're treating us like a bunch of kids, and that's the worst way they could've handled this situation. I can't tell you how many times I tweeted towards BioWare, and the few times they did tweet back they said things like ''Thanks for the suggestion!''... That's just a polite way of saying ''Shut up''.

[Skillz1986]

It's humam turin design, but still an alliance ship..for humans. furthermor warnings of electrical dmage can be seen everywhere and none of them looks like that. listen, i never said this was the big evidence...but arguing that this one signs..the only sign not being used anywhere else is human specific is in some way ignorant.

[ichigo2601]

i really, really hope the indoctrination theory is real

[Sammuthegreat]

ichigo2601 wrote...

i really, really hope the indoctrination theory is real

Amen to that broski.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Great, now I wanted to play Skyrim to distract myself from all this, and apparently users from Germany can't currently log in to Steam. GREAT

[Headbutters inc]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

What's the point of indoctrination anyway if the current ending is to be taken by face value? Why would the godchild grant that ability to the Reapers he created? He just wanted robots that would make pew pew and kill civilisations.

Except.. maybe the kid is right and the created DO always rebel against their creators, and the reapers invented indoctrination on their own.

The Crucible changed his mind. He says it opened up new possibilities but he's unable to make the choice. Also he controls the reapers but didn't say he created them.

I think he does.. can anyone confirm/deny that?
Also I don't think you get what I'm saying.. I meant to ask why Reapers should have the power of indoctrination if their task is just to kill certain organics

Oh. That's a good point. I guess it's more about hiding their identity as much as possible while working againsts organics.

If Sovereign just showed up at the Citadel with no help, he'd get damaged heavily and risk the arms being closed. Since the Citadel is theirs, it probably wouldn't be interested in damaging the Citadel.

Then you need ground forces. Indoctrination lets you use your enemie's civilians as your army.

Also could explain why it took the council so long to accept that the reapers are here. Maybe there is a mild form of indoctrination in the citadel

[Skillz1986]

Ist mir durchaus aufgefallen;)

[Rifneno]

Stegoceras wrote...

Can I just add that the sign is somewhat limited to high-tech human surroundings (which aren't that much around in the game, only in the intro actually), it being a human head (or human husk head for IT'ers) depicted and all, it be more interesting and supportive to the theory had it been completly out of place or depicted something reaper-y.

El oh el.

Pro-IT group: Look at this antenna in an area where no human has ever been. It's got human writing on it!
Anti-IT group: So? Models are recycled constantly. Means nothing.
Pro-IT group: Okay then, look at this weird warning label in the prologue. It's a brain/head damage warning and not found anywhere else in the game!
Anti-IT group: So? It's limited to high tech human areas, and there aren't any others. Means nothing.

Pro-IT group: How does Shepard breathe in the Citadel at the end? He's in open space.
Anti-IT group: Mass effect barriers to keep oxygen in.
Pro-IT group: Okay then, how does he survive this massive explosion? That's like a goddamn nuclear bomb.
Anti-IT group: Explosions expand much farther in space because there's no oxygen.
Pro-IT group: But you just said--
Anti-IT group: You're grasping at straws rofl, conspiracy nut.
Meme-er: You mean "emergency induction ports" lawl

There is literally no reasoning with anti-ITers. The krogan might as well try to debate the genophage into realizing its wrong.

[MaximizedAction]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Ist mir durchaus aufgefallen;)

Englisch bitte!!!

[Earthborn_Shepard]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Ist mir durchaus aufgefallen;)

Englisch bitte!!!

I'm surprised here hasn't been any "f*cking ****s!!" post yet!

[Skillz1986]

@rifneno.
That's just it. both groups are just speculating, no one knows what's really happening. but whereas we try to come up with ingame content to support our assumptions. most of theanti ITers i came accross come up with assumptions..to ...assume..something? sorry...but if that sign was human/earth specific, why is it you can find every single sign being used on earth(not sure, but i'd bet my ass on it anyway) also being used somewhere else, except this particular sign. riddle me that! I will gladly change my point of view if

a) anyone finds another sign being use on earth only
the bolt/head sign is being used anywhere else.

[llbountyhunter]

Baldsake wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

True, but UrgedDuke has a point. If the Extended Cut sticks to the current ending without confirming IT or coming up with a good new explanation either, it will be a far bigger disappointment than what we've already endured.

It'll also mark the last time many of us buy a BW product.  I know ME3 will be my last if the ending was real.  Sadly, I'm kind of worried they won't do IT because of the massive hate it gets (outside of this thread).  I'm quite confident that they did plan to go that route, but the reaction to the ending thus far has been...  well, you know.

I'd love to say I'll definitely not buy another BioWare game again, but I really can't. If there's another fantastic-looking game by BioWare coming out I know I'll struggle not to get it. The important thing for me, though, is the appalling way they've treated their most loyal customers. The double-speak, enigma and misdirection of the last month or two has been nothing short of shameful, given that the reason the fans are upset in the first place is because they don't understand what the hell's going on.

BioWare are in a position to neutralise all the anger that's bouncing around at the moment in one fell swoop, but they've repeatedly refused to do so. That's what I'll take out of this fiasco, more than anything. Even if IT is true and BioWare have pulled off one of the best and most daring moves in videogame (hell, all entertainment media) history, my opinion of them will still forever be soured by how they've strung us along.

My thoughts exactly, I can deal with dissapointing games or endings from companies, it happens to the best of them (Dragon Age 2 and ME3's ending, ofcourse) but it's the way BioWare has dealt with the situation that's just annoying. I feel that whatever you ask/say they'll give some generic response and they've never given us some real useful information.. Never did anyone there write a blog or something saying: ''Alright guys, I know you don't like the ending, this is what we're going to do about it.'' Now we apparently have an Extended Cut coming where Jessica Merizan is giving us all kinds of info that doesn't seem logical, it's like she has no idea what she's taking about, everything they (BW) say can be taken the wrong way and their ''wink-wink'' tweets are getting old. I honestly feel like they're treating us like a bunch of kids, and that's the worst way they could've handled this situation. I can't tell you how many times I tweeted towards BioWare, and the few times they did tweet back they said things like ''Thanks for the suggestion!''... That's just a polite way of saying ''Shut up''.

So basically your saying you support ****ty endings, false advertising and lying companies.